What the Oscars really are about are not just a moment for Hollywood to award the best filmmakers and to show you...

>What the Oscars really are about are not just a moment for Hollywood to award the best filmmakers and to show you what's best in film. It's not about that at all.
>What Hollywood's Academy Awards are really about is what Kimmel is saying it is about. It is about the slap. It is about making people in the middle of the country feel morally less. It is about the suggestion that Hollywood is showing the best of itself.
>It's Hollywood's book report at the end of the year where they demonstrate why they should be there.
>And according to Hollywood the reason they should be there is not because they entertain us, not because they make movies we want to watch, but because they do important things. And so they have to reward important movies.

Is he right?

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Pretty much

Okay cool.

Except shape of water was a legit great movie.

But yeah hes partially right. Hollywood is the crown jewel of virtue signaling.

The set design is the only good part. It's pure propaganda.
A disabled woman, a gay guy, a black woman, and a soviet spy are heroes, fighting the white, Christian, military men with families.

Or it could just be that people who play pretend for millions of dollars naturally turn into smug assholes who enjoy patting themselves and each other on the back.

But why did they pat Del Taco on the back and not Gunn for example?

Didn’t watch it yet. Did Del Toro remake ‘Freaks’ or some other old horror movie?

I hate shapiro slightly less than kimmel

Why would you hate Shapiro?

He's stupidly myopic like most ancap/libertarian types in that he thinks those decentralized institutions and freedoms will survive the white demographic collapse and so refuses to see the writing on the wall. You can't have a small government in a country with tons of people from different ethnic groups vying for control. You need a safe, stable, high-trust society and for that to occur there needs to be an overwhelmingly dominant culture.

>Except shape of water was a legit great movie.
"No"

This. Hes also a Zionist, which is fucked up.

a-at least the books were good though

>Soypiro

>it’s about making people in the middle of the country feel bad
Good luck with that. People in the middle of the country know that LA is a dystopian shithole, and Hollywood, especially, is full of low life debauchery of all stripes.

How come none of you soyboys can tell me the difference between being virtuous and virtue signaling?

He doesn’t give a good damn about the browning of America... Israel, on the other hand...

entertainment is good, but creating things that will make people think and see things from a new perspective is something more celebratory than a new blockbuster

Donating to charity: virtuous.
Telling everyone you donated: virtue signaling. Especially if you haven't donated.

>make people think and see things from a new perspective
But they don't do that. They just make leftist propaganda.

Why is that fucked up? The ottomans lost the territory after the world war. I'd rather have Jews in the middle East with values similar to my own than a bunch of stinking towel heads about to blow themselves up.

This. But, to be fair, that rarely happens at the Oscars

Oh come on. How is a story about loving someone different than you leftist propaganda?
It's one of the oldest fairytale ever.

Kind of miss the days when they just did a ton of drugs and slept with the president

By his logic the Oscars should go to MCU movies.

can we get a link?

A fish monster is not legally "someone" i.e. not a person. The Left makes people feel like victims and suggests the Right does not view them as "people." Then add on all of the surrounding evidence, and you get subtle but blatant propaganda.

Context is important. Look at the people who made it. Look at what they think. Look at how they support injecting blatant politics into the craft. Look at the way these people talk in front of crowds of themselves. The days of being able to separate work from the creator are dead and gone.

A white person who bemoans white privilege is virtue signaling insofar as they're signalling virtue by appearing to bear a cost upon themselves by talking shit about how allegedly easy white people have it, but they aren't. They're passing the cost off onto other white people, who are often far less privileged than themselves. If Frances McDormand pushes for diversity quotas in movies, it's not going to be her, an established Hollywood actress, who gets fucked out of a job for the sake of some diversity hire. It'll be some white kid nobody's ever heard off. All while she stands on a stage and collects applause for her alleged bravery.

Basically, virtue signalling is a euphemism for people taking on the appearance of peacocks, birds that get laid by taking on the cost of sexual signalling that make them prime targets for predators, but ultimately behave like parasites in that they suck the life out of their group to advance themselves as individuals.

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>A disabled woman, a gay guy, a black woman, and a soviet spy are heroes, fighting the white, Christian, military men with families.

And this isn't the Beauty and the Beast. The beast was intelligent, a human in disguise. The fishman had the intelligence of a gorilla. It's bestiality, pure and simple. It might have been acceptable if there wasn't explicit sex.

>the reason they should be there is not because they entertain us, not because they make movies we want to watch, but because they do important things

so the same self-justification as ben shapiro then. clearly it's time to listen

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I'm still not sure what he's about but on the strength of that picture I can state with certainty that I'd like to belt him one in the face. If it got to trial I would have my attorney introduce the picture in evidence. No jury would convict me.

You guys really are a bunch of fucking drama queens.

Except that he's open about his biases and agendas. Hollywood is hiding its propaganda behind the cover of "art".

yeh, good luck with that user

We don't make films like 'Call Me By Your Name' for money. We make them to upset Mike Pence.

so? am I meant to be impressed by that?

No, you should be worried.

What a good goy you are

I'm on my phone, so I can't go into detail. I'll just say you're retarded and move on.

why?

This is you projecting. And if the right for years have treated minorities and LGBT as animals, you can't fault Del Toro for addressing it.
The point is: do you guys think that people involved in interracial relationships or homosex ones shouldn't have their difficult stories told?
If is that so, than Del Toro is doing exactly what we were talking about:offering a new perspective trough a movie and that's worth of praise

Ironically I think The Shape Of Water was bland and outdated, but that's just because I don't think there is nothing scandalous in loving the "others" live in a bubble where most of the people I know aren't racist or homophobic

why are you desperate to shill this shapiro fucker here? You get the irony of crying over shills then being one yourself?

>I'm on my phone, so I can't go into detail

phew!

in between the garbled grammar there is a really stupid point in there. You are saying Frances McDormand gave the speech she did cause she wants to get laid? Plus the flipside of this is that the diversity hire got fucked cause of all the nepotism. Basically you are a bit of a retard

>a film about a woman fucking a fish is subtle but blatant propoganda to encourage white people not to breed
>the smug whining of a baby man like shapiro is not propoganda because "hes explicit with his bias"

>going to trial against a master heeb

You'll end up in a debtors prison my dude.

If a movie awards show makes you feel less about yourself then something about your life ain't right.

We all know popularity isn't as important as quality.

Big tough boy over here

No. I'm saying that Frances McDormand wants to gain the benefits of status that come with being anti-white in the west today while being white herself. The reason I brought up the peacock is because it's an example of an animal that is actually virtuous, as it wears its cost in the form of its feathers.

And regarding the brown people and/or women who are claimed to be excluded, I'm saying nothing about the validity of that. All I'm saying is that white people who bemoan white privilege and men who bemoan male privilege in the manner I described are behaving exactly like parasites while being championed as peacocks. They're advancing as individuals by sucking the blood out of people in their group. Brown people and women can have a point or not have one, and my claim is unchanged.

>All that shit
You could have a small government, as America had in the past. Different ethnic groups united around the ideals of America at the time, not their skin color. No one cares about the American Creed anymore, just about gibs, imaginary injustices, and celebrity shit.

>do you guys think that people involved in interracial relationships or homosex ones shouldn't have their difficult stories told?
No you stupid fag. We're saying that these movies make no money and nobody sees them but Hollywood has an agenda and wants to show how virtuous they are by giving awards to movies like that. It's always all or nothing with you retards "so you're saying they shouldn't be allowed..." kill yourself that's the same shit Cathy Newman did to Peterson

Of course you can and there are scores of examples of minorities and immigrants that have adopted the American value system and become more successful than whites and native born Americans. He's just trying to be subtle about saying he hates blacks and Jewish people

>We're saying that these movies make no money

Shape of water has made $126,813,256 worldwide as an R-rated movie on a budget of like twenty million. Moonlight had four million budget, made 65 million at the box office.

Yeah but theyre rich. So the stereotype goes

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The Shape Of Water did incredibly well tho. It seems to me you simply are triggered by any movie that don't specifically caters to you

Those aren't huge successes monetarily. And nowhere near influential culturally. Nobody has seen those movies.

You have no business calling others retards when you went with the most painfully literal interpretation of that user's analogy.

I don't know if you really saw Shape of Water or you just like to be contrarian for the sake of it.
Spoilers to follow.

The monster is intelligent, if not more, as humans, he just live a different life and that's explained through the movie: he has culture shock for being deported in a completely diverse ambient.

The girl is obviously a fish monster too, she has gills, she was found in a river when child, she masturbates in water like you get your coffee and when she saw someone that resembles her, he feel something for him.

The other guys are different from her, the other ones are the freak of their generation, a gay man who is also an old man, a black woman who has a terrible husband, a russian spy who is a scientist and a man who didn't like his life.

To be fair, the old woman has no depth like the others, but the "bad" guy is perfect. He was show taking apart his fingers (the façade of his current life) and destroy the life of everyone, he bought a car hoping is not green like his childhood candy (who still easy), and the car is destroyed by the mute for whom he feel a sexual attraction too.

I stop here because, someone is here only for the bait, but these point remains.

>Damnit goy, stop noticing the propaganda!

>Those aren't huge successes monetarily

Oh right, I forgot if you don't break a billion you're a box office bomb now. No matter what size your movie is.

LOL. Everyone I know as seen The Shape Of Water.
And most of this board too

It was supposed to be the Dark Universe Creature from the Black Lagoon, but they scrap that cinematic universe idea and reboot title and made it a solo 'original' movie.

what the fuck language is this? Why do you use the term cost in such a weird context? Is this just you mirroring shapiro? This is something you guys do all the time, use strange animal metaphors like parasites and peacocks and sheepdogs yadda yadda. The idea you have here is much less important than the language implies. In what way are they parasites?

It's a fact that fewer people are going to the movies now because the majority of the population isn't interested. So keep hamming up those numbers the fact is that people aren't interested in the movies bring made and praised and the ones that actually are attracting people are doing so because they're ENTERTAINING. Ever wonder movies like fucking Deadpool are raking in cash hand over fist? Don't dismiss it by saying that audiences are too dumb to want to watch the agenda ridden trash that's praised in Hollywood, people buy movie tickets to movies they want to see.

ok retard. I went with the most generous interpretation. My other option was just to assume that he's curied under layers of dog whistle rhetoric that totally limit his ability to actually make a literal point in the first place.

I can fault Del Toro for whatever my criticism sees logical for faulting him for, and pegging him as a communist sympathizer is fine enough for me. You can throw all the accusations of projection you want, but these people openly fucking state where their creative processes are coming from and you are fooling absolutely no one with this pathetic attempt at gaslighting.

I don't give any fucks about the supposed plight of all the poor poor interracial or homosex couples. Drawing attention to it and imbuing it with intrinsic special virtue is the best way to make people push back against it. If you want it normal it needs to be mundane shit your grand creative commissars stop giving awards to simply for existing. It needs to be shit no one cares about, otherwise you're just cutting yourself off at the knee.

And I also don't give any fucks about what you think the right does given the left has openly betrayed people like me who used to count ourselves a part of it until it decided to adopt the most racist variants of privilege double standards imaginable while pining for groups that promise to destroy it.

Nice proof

>the ones that actually are attracting people are doing so because they're ENTERTAINING.

I find this ironic coming from a board that is always bitching about superhero movies. What about Black Panther? Or Wonder Woman? How do you explain those? You can't have it both ways.

>In what way are they parasites?
See where I say:

>They're advancing as individuals by sucking the blood out of people in their group.

>Sup Forums is one person

They've become successful in a European American system. No one says they can't assimilate and be successful on individual or small group levels, but mass demographic transformations will not work. Blacks, Latinos, and Asians on average vote overwhelmingly for policies that are directly antithetical to the concept of a small libertarian government with enshrined freedoms of things like speech and gun rights. Take a look at California and the way it's behaving in regards to public speakers rocking the boat at universities. That's your future without an overwhelmingly dominant European American culture.

Maybe you could shut the fuck up for five seconds and stop hunting for dog whistles in the first place? You going with the literal interpretation of that user's post as if he was legitimately suggesting McDormand is behaving like a peacock to get laid was pants on head retarded misconstruing designed to ignore the point or muddle it. Don't play coy motherfucker. It was fucking obvious.

>Take a look at California and the way it's behaving in regards to public speakers rocking the boat at universities. That's your future without an overwhelmingly dominant European American culture.
Maybe because they're having cultural Marxism and communist thought pumped into their head 24/7 by television and leftist (mostly white) professors and media elites? Have you ever thought of that? How do you explain white leftists? How do you explain black and minority constitutionalists/conservatives?

Maybe the problem isn't what color people is its what they're being tought to believe?

When did the Oscars ever have anything to do with filmmaking?

>leftist (mostly white)
>white
Oh you poor, poor child.

Unironically hollywood politics.

See even if marvel movies are shit the real reason they don't give oscars to Blockbuster movies is inter studio politics. Is a way for the academy to assert its power.

>Those aren't huge successes monetarily

An R-rated movie making over hundred million isn't a success? Holy shit you're retarded. It's already made six times it's budget. Even if you double the twenty mil to forty for marketing, that's still three times its initial budget.

California is not communist, you retarded yank.

Everything that isn't borderline fascist right wing dictator regime is communism, didn't you get the memo?

Here's the thing though: No matter where you go, non-whites are overwhelmingly going to vote leftist. That's just the sad fact. It's not to say that exceptions to the rule don't exist, but statistically, it's the truth. When the non-white population is growing exponentially while the white birthrate is declining, this government will easily become a socialist hellhole state in 100 years, possibly earlier.

Opposed to the right and center-right hellhole it is now?

Geek culture.
You realize soyboys are going to the movies like 10 times?.

Still its a fact that movie viewership is down and is very easy to explain with streaming sites and social media.

>heavy handed identity politics
>good

>Still its a fact that movie viewership is down and is very easy to explain with streaming sites and social media.

How do you know Moonlight and Shape of Water won't be massively watched through those platforms?

Nice shift of the goal posts there. Can't prove the US's demographic change will keep its political culture intact so insinuate it's not worth preserving in the first place. Nice trick.

There's no way to fix that problem if you just look the other way with immigration though. What incentive does a demographic that votes 80-90% for one party have in dismantling the propaganda apparatus keeping that in place?

Please explain how the US is a hellhole as of this moment. Last I checked it's doing pretty well, still being the premier global economic superpower and all.

Not for long, thanks to the impending global trade war.

You realize that if there were a global trade war the US would still be the premier global economic power, right?

>not because they make movies we want to watch
He's wrong, movies that earn Oscars very few people actually watch

Yeah. The term Oscar Bait has existed for years and years, it's just nice of Kimmel to come right out and confirm what many already suspected, that they do this shit for their own propaganda and not strictly for the shekels.

Oscar bait movies have more substance and merit to them than Avengers 3. That's why awards aren't based on popularity, otherwise Adam Sandler would be owning several Oscars.

I didn't like it at all

I agree, but protectionism is inherently anti-free market and therefore anti-right. Shifting the goalpost again, still haven't explained how the US is currently a shithole.

How can one Jew hate Hollywood this much? He shits on it whenever he can.