How poweful is Cosmic Armor Superman in Morrison's meta-textual setting and even entire DC cosmology?

How poweful is Cosmic Armor Superman in Morrison's meta-textual setting and even entire DC cosmology?

Some says that CAS is as strong as Antimonitor.
Others says that it is stronger than even Presence.
And , there are more and more.

What is truth about CAS?

Basically it's gonna be winning any powerwanking contests.

He's as strong as writer fanboy-wankery.

And completely unnecessary, as Superman was already capable of beating anything "becuz Superman" in the comics.

What do you mean?

So, CAS is strongest in fiction because Morrison aka one of most crazy Superman Fanboy wanted so?

Weaker than Odin accordging to Comicvine.

comic vine? more like comic gay

it's the living embodiment of the concept of "the good guy always win," so it will always win.

Which is stronger between Lucifer Morningstar and Cosmic Armor Superman?
Most people in vs related forum said Lucifer stomps.

Need's a Temporal Sword Luthor, a weapon so powerful that it can destroy even the source wall.A single blast rips a permenant hole through the multiverse that can allow anyone to pass through to any of the 52 universes.

So, it is useless against non-villain character?

>Cosmic Armor Superman
I thought it was the Superman Thought Robot. Did it get a new name?

Not that powerful. Sup Forums DRAMATICALLY overrates it's powerlevel.

So, how powerful really is it?

The armor's power changes to be as strong a needed to fight anything set against it, no matter how powerful that thing may be. No matter the enemy, the armor become strong enough ti fight it, by default, because that's it's nature.

that's a bit of a paraphrase, but it essentially means that the Superman Thought Robot overcomes any and all obstacles. Including even fucking real life obstacles like editorial or whatever. Because the concept of Superman will always exist and as long as the mere concept is alive in someone's brain, he will come back in a form of media and continue to defeat his threats.

It's a wank-y version of saying "Main characters going to main character"

Elaine Belloc > Old Presence >Great Evil Beast >Lucifer >Michael > Evil Presence (Old presence driven mad and weakened by The Void) > The Spectre >Cosmic Armour Superman > Nabu > Superman Prime > Bat Mite

And I don't really know where Dr Manhattan, Trigon and others go.

Also the Endless are in there somewhere with Silk Man as well.

Oh and the Antimoniter

We've only seen it once but it's strong enough to beat Evil, as in the Evil in all comics. It becomes as strong as it needs to beat Evil, if it is fighting good or even a character not representative of the concept of evil it may not even turn on

The Endless don't really fit into power wanking charts because they don't particularly fight fights in the traditional sense, or even the metaphysical sense. It's like trying to rate forces of nature, like where does entropy fit on a tier list, or uncertainty, or gravity, or matter?

Despite there being like five or so miniseries about Hell, Hell is very poorly defined in the DCU. Trigon is a demon-thing, but seems to have his own little plane of existence.
It's funny, after Sandman and before Vertigo was formed as an imprint, Gaiman's Hell was specifically the one that the DCU was going to follow

This was before First of the Fallen was created

How does the big guy monitor (Omnimonitor? Overmonitor?) stack up in the DC cosmic hieracrhy? Is it still Presence > Lucifer > Endless > everyone else?

idiots gotta idiot

lemmings fall over cliff in stupidity solidarity, thus the replies here

>all those people about CAS
>Spectre being above CAS
>most of them aren't even multiversal threats
nope

>not realising that Spectre is as powerful as The Presence needs him to be.

The Gentry is stronger. Even Superman can't beat that.

spectre got shit on by joker with mr. mtlysdakdfjalk's power

He's stronger than whatever evil he is facing.

Which is stronger between Empty Hand and Thought Robot Superman?

This is Cosmic Armor Supeprman which embodied Superman's story.

People in VS shit tend to put Vetigo cosmology(Presence,Lucifer,Michael) above DC cosmology(Overvoid, Thought Robot Superman,Mandrakk),
What is their basis to insist Vertigo>>>DC?

>What is truth about CAS?
It was created for one single purpose.
To triumph in battle over the ultimate evil.
It did this when he faced Mandrakk.

Just strong enough.
Think Gurren Laggan, but less hot blood.

Just strong enough without limit?
So, which is stronger between Presence(who is Infinite and omnipotent)and Thought Robot?

weaker than goku

The point is that powerlevels don't apply here.
The Thought Robot was created for one thing, and it was to fight Mandrakk.

You're trying to separate the Thought Robot from it's metatext, and that doesn't work.

Thought Robot would wipe the floor with the Gentry. The Gentry are the ultimate forms of Evil Archetypes. STR is the embodiment of good overcoming evil.

If TR Superman can beat any evil, can TR superman beat Empty Hand and Evil Presence combined?

So, How about Empty Hand who is boss of Gentry?

Superman is still around after decades of comics related bullshit, I'd say he's been beating the Gentry for quite a while.

>Cosmic Armor Superman
Because trunks are power?

Read Nigga

As long as it's a bad guy, Thought Robot can beat it.

aka being the hero of the story

Empty Hand isn't on the good/bad scale, he is just the hunger of the audience. If anything the thought robot works for him as a positive foil to the gentry, but them fighting doesn't actually make any sense.

Presence is literally a microbe next to him.

Look at the map. You see Heaven? That's the presence. Now you see those green spots surrounding Heaven and the other divine places? That's Limbo.

And Limbo is about the size of Thought Robot Superman's hand.

That should give you an idea of the scale involved.

A weakened Mandrak offscreened Spectre, that female Anit-Spectre, and all the powers of Heaven.

Let me explain.

The Monitors of Final Crisis are a race of beings so large they interact with the rest of the lower multiverse through nano tech. They encountered the idea of media as disposable entertainment and started getting addicted to drinking Bleed and became cosmic vampires. They were going to suck the multiverse dry in an orgy of exploitation led by Mandrak who was once Dax Novu, greatest of the Monitors.

Fortunately before going crazy Dax Novu created a contingency plan-a giant robot shell constructed around the multiverse and set to be powered by the greatest, strongest idea the multiverse ever produced-the story of the superhero, the story of Superman.

So its a giant robot piloted by Superman's soul and its big. Really really big.

Oh my god that's so horribly, horribly wrong.

>Superman Thought Robot
>Monitors
>New Gods (only beings on the God Sphere aware of the Source and capable of drawing power from it)
>Other Gods on the God Sphere
>Guys behind the speed force wall

5D imps are a wildcard and range all over the place in terms of power levels-which is sort of appropriate when you think about it.

The Endless are another wildcard on the power levels chart.

Autism.

>Presence
>Infinite and Omnipotent
Vertigo Presence wasn't even multiverse level and didn't know he was being studied like a microbe by the Monitors.

Any Monitor could slap his/her shit with a laser pointer.