Why are American comics so obsessed with Nazis even though communism:

Why are American comics so obsessed with Nazis even though communism:

1. Has resulted in more deaths and hardship
2. Is more of a recent threat to America
3. America cared more about Japan than Germany in WW2

Jewish propaganda and because racism looks more evil on paper.

(You)

Nothing redeemable about Nazis.

Because in theory, communism's goal of
>let's have workers not be exploited by investors so we can all have the means to a decent life
is at least a decent goal. Has it ever been done? Nope. Has it ever been even attempted once communists got power, instead of using said power selfishly? Of course not. But at least, in theory, the goal isn't 100% horrible.

Nazism on the other hand is evil through and through.

Nazis have a better aesthetic, good for a visual artform

Debating economic theory is boring and hard to write.

Communism punishes those with talent, skill, and motivation. How is that a decent goal?

Because socialism won the Cold War, user.
The majority of the american youth fetishize socialism now.
In my country the indoctrination is everywhere, I was taught capitalism and the USA were clearly the wrong side of the war.
Nazism is outlawed and yet we have over 5 socialist parties.

Its trying to make things better, at least for some.

No mass genocide of entire races and casual murder, either

Looking back on the Cold War the Communists are seen as corrupt incompetents who relied on nukes to pose a threat. A hero fighting hordes of malnourished conscripts isnt really interesting for the audience.

Meanwhile the Nazi's are still perceived as competent enemies with the added bonus of looking cool. Plus you can do fun stuff like super science and occultism far easier than with communists.

>no casual murder
>what are gulags

It doesnt you dumb cuckservative

Wrong

This, but op doesnt care about that, op is a retard that probably believes nazism is right wing, he believes capitalistic neoliberal jews in new york are lefties

It doesn't punish anyone. You just think that because you believe profiteering is a right. It's not. It's something that, in capitalist societies, people have agreed on. It's a choice. Not a right.

What is wrong about hiring people to create a product or service, selling that product or service, and making a profit off of it?

Because it gives us a blank slate enemy we can murder without any pushback. Have you not realized Americans are filled with bloodlust? Look at our history.

>is at least a decent goal. Has it ever been done? Nope. Has it ever been even attempted once communists got power, instead of using said power selfishly? Of course not. But at least, in theory, the goal isn't 100% horrible.
>Nazism on the other hand is evil through and through.
Communism assumes that everyone is good. Nazism assumes that everyone is bad.

Both assumptions are wrong, but Nazism basically skips the ideological stage and go straight to mass murder.

>even though communism
1. Has resulted in more deaths and hardship
But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
>2. Is more of a recent threat to America
Nothing since WW2 has ever been a true threat to the American state.
>3. America cared more about Japan than Germany in WW2
>what is the Germany First policy

Because during the Cold War, both sides were doing relatively evil shit whereas with WWII, one side was disproportionally more evil than the one.

Hot war is more fun than cold war. Fighting the Nazis was hot war. Fighting commies is cold war.

>Nothing redeemable about Nazis
>Wrong

Not sure if I wanna know...

Nothing is wrong about anything, unless you prove the existence of objective moral values.
But nothing is a right either.
So you're not wronged when the laws of a country forbid you from profiteering. A society can decide that they don't want that kind of stuff happening. And since money isn't your own body, it's just an invention that's being regulated by society, whatever laws the majority want for it (including what it can be used for and what not) are fair game.

The Commies didn't dress their soldiers in all black uniforms with skulls on them.

Stop spouting bullshit memes you've read online. Nazism doesn't assume that everyone is bad. Communism doesn't assume everyone is good either.

This. With individualism also comes the idea of superiority. You are taught from a young age in America its a dog eat dog world and that is okay as long as you come out ahead. If the apocalypse ever happened we would be the first ones to start canibalizing each other.

It's socialism, not communism, you dumb cunts.
Communism is an unpractical theory, it can't be achieved. Socialism is the step for Communism, which every regime remains stuck at, because they can't implement Communism.

Communism is a stateless utopia where there is no need and resources are infinite, so no one has to work, they can do what they like for free and provide to everyone for free.

Socialism is maximum state regime where the state HAS to be above everything, it doesn't allow for free market and economical calculus so it'll collapse. It also doesn't allow for art and entertainment.

Neither are a choice, but only socialism can be installed.

>But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
Total deaths in WW2 (most deaths not even directly caused by nazis): 80m

Total deaths caused by communism:
between 85m and 100m

>communism assumes infinite resources
Nah

Americans never beat communism, at least not with guns and bombs

because every hot war against communism turned into a horrific clusterfuck for the US

Boco, normally I would tell you to shut the fuck up, but in this instant I agree with you.

Yes. You can't justify communism while acknowledging that everything on earth came from the earth and everything is finite, so only a few can get the resources to produce what they want. In socialism that is dictated by a committee of the state, in capitalism that is dictated by demand of market. Communism lacks both, so it can't determine who should receive who.
Everyone has an idea, everyone wants to produce something, communism must provide for all.

Stalin killed 20 million. Shut up.

And I don't even fucking like the Nazis but I think you guys are defending the wrong front here.

They are both fucking terrible.

Explain to me, even in your own interpretation of communism/socialism, why the lack of a distributor agency assumes infinite distributables. Those are two separate things.

Because Liberals love communists and support them. They literally worship Karl Marx.

>there are people who both consider a specific race to fully be behind a communist conspiracy, while also being behind the banks
>similarly, they consider people being in the pockets of wall street, media moguls and banks to be liberals who support communism

Americans have a very skewed view of some issues.

Because we live in an age where entertainment needs literally several million of dollars to produce and distribute anything and the only thing that makes that remotely possible is funding agencies.
Unless your interpretation of communism is going back to the past and closing Hollywood, the silicon valley, the videogame circle and everything else down.

Because Nazis are easier to portray as villains because of WW2 and the Holocaust. Most people don't know the horrors Starlin has committed. Plus, Communism in Russia has fallen. Not to mention that McCarthy's witch hunts made people afraid of communists look bad. And some Liberals support communist beliefs.

Jews support cultural marxism, not economic marxism.

>Stop spouting bullshit memes you've read online. Nazism doesn't assume that everyone is bad. Communism doesn't assume everyone is good either.
Not a meme, Don't assume everyone else is like you in being unable to generate their own ideas. In fact you assuming I am talking about a meme is likely an automatic response on your part.

user, communism, of course includes redistribution of all existing wealth, assets and resources. Why would that make the assets disappear?

Okay.
>nazis think everyone is bad
Nah. At the very least they think aryans fighting for the vaterland and the party are good.
>commies think everyone is good
The millions of people they slaughtered suggest otherwise.

What...
Because after distribution to 7 billion people the assets wouldn't be enough.

>Why are American comics so obsessed with Nazis

Media manipulation. With enough of it, you can control the populace, and the politicians will bend to the will of the populace because they are vote whores.

Look up the religion of the CEOs of major media outlets.

>Nothing redeemable about Nazis.

They rebounced a country from the verge of bankruptcy, raised the standard of living considerably, they had kick ass looking military uniforms. And they had a megalomania that borders on science fiction, except that they made it happen. If they hadn't started - or hadn't lost - WW2, they really would've started building moonbases and such.

Basically they are like real life James Bond villains. (For that matter, the author of James Bond actually fought in WW2 against the Nazis).

We can vote on what to do to parts of the pie. If we all vote on using 10% of total resources towards a goal, the goal can be achieved. If we don't, then we don't want it to be achieved, so who cares?

Nazis on the moon, huh? Fuck you moon.

>It doesnt you dumb cuckservative
>Never mind that it's always done this when implemented

Expert in irredeemable shit, eh?
Now shut up, Boco.

Communism is basically a self governing society, where the society controls the production; thereby making sure that they always produce whatever is required, and thereby reaching an utopia where nobody has any needs (as the society automatically fills them).
It also assumes that the society, as a whole, shares the burden of producing, and enjoys the fruits of their labor.

This cannot work in practice because it would require a human hive mind, or at least the suppression of individual will, so everyone works for the good of the many, not for their own goals. Like the mighty celestial Zappa once said, Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff.

They would've built fucking AT-AT walkers and lightsabers three years after Hitler watches Star Wars for the first time. Hell, fuck your moon, they would've built their own Death Star.

In that regard, they were somewhat admirable. They pushed the boundaries of technology immensely with their crazy "make this shit happen" mentality. USA has not had a mindset like that ever since they stopped the moon landings, 40 years ago.

If the Nazis still ran Germany, they'd have flying cars and the Wehrmacht would be composed of decepticon transformers.

That's not equal. Democracy isn't equal. It's defeating the concept of communism completely.

Yeah, probably. I'm just quoting Wolfenstein. Which is actually a pretty good example of what you're talking about.

Democratically deciding for what purpose to use each subset of resources is part of communism.

>Okay.
>>nazis think everyone is bad
>Nah. At the very least they think aryans fighting for the vaterland and the party are good.
>>commies think everyone is good
>The millions of people they slaughtered suggest otherwise.
I am not sure why I even bother replying to an actual Nazi. But anyway...

Communisim has no safeguard against corruption, because it assumes everyone is good. So a bad leader very quickly is able to take power because there is no defence against it.

And "fighting for the vaterland" is just a nice way of saying "killing people and rob their corpses is good".

Probably because Nazis are hated by virtually everyone and communist nations are still around (though not communist for some) and the biggest one is best left alone... for now.

Wolfenstein is a pretty ludicrous example, the reason they had moonbases and Berlin looking like Autobot City because they got a jew wizard to share their secret hoarded technology.

I'm not even making this up, at one point in the game you have to rescue a jew super scientist who then takes you to fucking Atlantis.

It really, really, really isn't.
What this user described is part of communism.
No needing to decide, because everyone has everything.

Because America was involved in defeating nazism, while communism just kinda fell apart on its own.

Would you tell stories about the guy whose ass you kicked or the guy you didn't like that fucking killed himself years after. Which one seems like a victory?

No, communism punishes the rich

> an actual nazi
Are you nuts? I'm among the people defending communism in this thread. But, for instance, Nazism did believe that Hitler was good. So they don't think everyone is bad. They also think his loyal cohorts were good too. They didn't think everyone is bad, that's false.

And you're not even defending your point. You said communism thinks everyone is good, but that's not right. At the very least, they think capitalist moguls who exploit the proletariat are bad? Or you think it assumes they're good? Because if you don't
>communism thinks everyone is good
is just wrong.

Watch an action movie from the 80s; commies were bad guys all the time back when they were relevant. Now they're not so you never see them anymore. But Neo-Nazis are still a things and WWII is still the biggest conflict to ever happen.

A shame really; the Russians were great antagonists, the best for thrillers and spy dramas since the Nazis, but now its just goat herders making bombs from car batteries. No more conflicts to determine the future of the world or genuine rivals to potentially outmatch the U.S. or Britain.

What user said there is wrong and I very much doubt either of you has read lenin's views on dialectic materialism or das kapital.

t. boco

Wasn't it great? Especially if you have Fergus, who casually describes the events of his life like he's reading a grocery list.

As an advanced suit of armor forms around his legs.

>1. Has resulted in more deaths and hardship
That’s only because we nipped it in the bud faster. Communism got out of hand before fizzling out.
>2. Is more of a recent threat to America
During which time we portrayed them as the villains quite often. Then we beat them, and they stopped being interesting.
>3. America cared more about Japan than Germany in WW2
That’s because they attacked us, so yeah, we would be.

You’re asking why after all this time do we still like portraying ourselves as the big damn heroes beating back Nazis. It’s because it’s an easy binary. How much do you really think Americans are going to want to remember how we dropped nukes in Japan? How we shot up villages in Vietnam?

But with Nazis, it’s very easy to tell a story where we’re the champions of equality, freedom, and life, while they’re the purveyors of opression, tyranny, and death. The fact that Communists were fighting for their own vision of equality that was contrary to ours, and in some cases, their own desires for freedom from colonial powers adds uncomfortable gray areas. It’s much more comfortable to keep telling the story “Hey, remember that time we shot the mass-murdering, Totalitarian, Continent-destroying Nazis in the face?”

jews

>but now its just goat herders making bombs from car batteries.
Islamic terrorists confirmed for shit-tier villains.

Because of a simple reason: WW2 was basically the one time America was a straight-up hero. The Nazis were practically comical supervillains, racist as fuck, led by a hammy madman, a funny obsession with outrageous superweapons. It's the most white vs black war ever, just because the black is so damn black.

And white and black feels right. It's simple, it's direct, you can make any story from a generic punch baddies flick to more morally conflicted tales. Meanwhile the Cold War was a clusterfuck of assholes and not nearly as fun.

Also Germany doesn't really want to hear about Nazis so they're fair game while Russia is clearly still going and FILTHY COMMIES might rub them the wrong way.

Alright, real answer: World War 2 was a gold mine for American comics. You could print some shitty comic about a mediocre at best hero, but as long as he was breaking Hitler's jaw it would sell like hotcakes. The damn things flew off shelves.

So obviously the time period left its mark on the indistrt, especially considering that sales dropped like a rock once the war was over. Some tried to retool their heroes to fit the times, but for the most part it didn't take. And then the Seduction of The Innocent came out and comics went under scrutiny for a long time.

Because Germany was right in the middle of the western world fucking shit up and communism was just kind of an ominous cloud over eastern Europe that people saw on the horizon. Also, the Nazis have a lot of really striking imagery, and are all around more compelling as villains. Hitler created one of the most iconic brands in human history, and it still hasn't been surpassed even by the marketing juggernauts like Coca Cola or McDonalds.

Also, seriously, there are a lot of Jews in all sorts of media production, and they aren't keen on allowing a personal slight to their ethnic group be left to fall into obscurity.

>racist as fuck

So was USA in the 40s.

The soviets had more fair laws regarding race and sex at that time. Hell the only reason western countries started allowing women to vote was because they had too many men on the front to run the country.

>communism has resulted in more deaths

take your anti-russian propaganda and leave

>fair laws
>implying starving to death equally is 'fair'

I think the Chinese fuck-ups are included in that statement, don't worry.