I have a serious question for Clinton supporters. I understand that you have your issues with Trump with some going as far as to call him a fascist, but you know that if Clinton is elected she will pass the TPP and most likely start a war with Russia. Our Generals have already said that in order to implement her no-fly zone over Syria it would require declaring war on Syria and Russia. Both the United States and Russia are nuclear armed superpowers and you know that if either side feels threatened enough that nukes will launch.
Knowing this how can you vote for Clinton and risk nuclear war with Russia and letting the TPP pass? In my opinion, war with Russia and the TPP passing are worse than a potential semi-"fascist" government for 4 years. Trump could cause temporary damage while Clinton could cause permanent damage.
Liam Lewis
a squirmish between usa and russia wouldn't be that bad: both side would just play it as a P.R. exercise and would not go all in; that would be better than Trump alienating most countries against the USA : devastating economic impact, multiplication of enemies etc
Christian Rogers
What about the TPP? If it passes it would allow corporations to bypass the US court system and sue any government that decides to have any regulations that aren't dictated in the TPP in an international court.
Michael Lee
also the value of the USA as a brand would lose value under Trump: less influence when it comes at shaping people's dreams, culture, aspirations, myths and that means less sympathy in general, more isolation in time of need, more scams and so on
Mason Jenkins
>a squirmish
Jaxon Bailey
Also keep in mind that it wouldn't just be a skirmish between the US and Russia. It would start as that sure, but then NATO would get dragged in, Russia would eventually pull China in, and then we'll have WWIII.
Aaron Myers
you don't think russia would pull out before that and spin it as a great victory.
Jonathan Martin
I don't think that actually. When NATO originally formed we promised Russia that we weren't going to continue expanding toward them. Here we are today and Russia is almost entirely surrounded on the eastern front and some of the western front while at the same time the international community is attempting to isolate them economically. Eventually they will retaliate for their own survival. We need to focus on repairing relations with them and not poke the bear.
Josiah Wright
I meant almost entirely surrounded on the western front and some of the east.
John Sanders
>Shillary rigged canadian elections for Trudeau >Most hardcore shillary defenders in Sup Forums happen to be Canadian
really makes you think
Jordan Hughes
Are you being serious? Is this what libs really think?
David Rogers
To be honest I'm a classical liberal so I can understand where they're coming from, but I think a lot of people are exaggerating the consequences of a Trump presidency. Some liberal countries might dislike us for a little, but we'll be fine.
Aiden Turner
even assuming the best scenario where war doesn't break out a vote for her implies that one is fine with a lying corrupt war criminal backed by all the media and Saudi money becoming president over a man accused of racism/sexism
Connor Reed
such severe Stockholm Syndrome and compliance just makes me ashamed to share the same nation as them
Wyatt Morris
i'm a quebecois separatist: i really dont give a fuck about trudeau! lol
Ryan Thompson
Even if war doesn't break out there's still the issue of the TPP which you know for a fact she'll pass.
Robert Sanchez
>you know that if Clinton is elected she will pass the TPP and most likely start a war with Russia No they don't know, they only want to elect a woman because vagina and something about a glass ceiling they keep parroting but I can never catch up.
James Lopez
Most of the world don't want Trump because they know he's going to fix things and so they wont continue to get free money off the shitty deals that Obama made. The rest of the world treats Obama like an idiot, look at videos where he visited other nations and they treat him like a pest.
They're like car salesmen trying to scam an old lady and Trump is coming in and saying, wait a minute this deal is a scam and I shall help negotiate a great deal for you old lady. Of course the car salesmen is gonna be pissed and dont want him around.
Trump is going to help fix a lot of cash issues out of america.
Parker Stewart
I have to be fair to both sides. The only people that will vote for her because of that are the extreme feminists and that's only a minority of her voters.
Gavin Gomez
RARE PROXY
Anthony Watson
>Trump is going to help fix a lot of cash issues out of america. He'll run the country into the ground like his casinos
Jacob Thompson
That's what I mean about Trump possibly causing temporary damage. Clinton on the other hand could cause permanent damage that is worse.
William Morales
i presume pro-trump on this board don't care about climate deals... that idiot won't just fuck the usa he will fuck the planet.
Oliver Campbell
casinos failing in Atlantic City because massive taxes they pay to support the black ghettos surrounding it. idiots in government started online gambling with tax money from said casinos to put them out of business. it is all democrat policies that are putting AC out of buisness. shill.
Mason Evans
We want hillary because:
Pay gap Sexism Racism Womams rights Muslim rights Mexican rights Black rights Abortion rights Woman in the white house is lulzy
What the Fuck don't you get?
Brody Torres
... did they even talked about that during the debates? didnt watch but i doubt it: this is a fiction you pulled out of pol's collective ass. the stuff you mention counts but it's not urgent issues, nobody really believe that except teh agitated few groupuscules here and there.
corporate america want hilary just to maintain the status quo : corpocracy ruling the usa
Evan Rivera
But all those people have rights if they're citizens. Those are just platitudes and feelings for the most part. Is it just hating your opposition that much?
Jeremiah Allen
All damage should be assumed permanent.
Joseph Brown
I feel more comfortable with Clinton at the helm in an arena where Russia escalates their current streak of imperialism than anyone else at the moment. She's far more knowledgeable about the history and context of the conflict and the players involved. And I'd rather have a leader that would go out of their way to actively check the Russians for their actions in Syria and Ukraine than go out of their way to praise the leadership skills of Putin and destabilize the only force currently capable of standing up to them (NATO) with his comments.
I don't consider a Supreme Court locked red for the next generation "temporary damage".
Justin Jenkins
>corporate america want hilary just to maintain the status quo : corpocracy ruling the usa
... so you elect the guy who's pledged to nominate Supreme Court justices that would support Citizen's United, the decision thats allowed a flood of corporate money into our politics and established that "Corporations are people" rather than the Wife of a President who nominated 2 justices that opposed it?
John Collins
SCOTUS might be locked red either way you go. HRC was considering a TX republican conservative to nominate for the empty seat.
Adam Perry
Do you really care about Ukraine? As their neighbour I can say, they are pretty much fucked by themselves.
Don't know anything about Syria to be honest. Though I do not think it is a good idea for any country to mess up current leadership of any other country. Can't see positive examples of freedom brought by US to the middle east.
Landon Baker
Who? That'd be quite the shift from Bill who nominated two of the most staunchly liberal candidates we've seen on the court.
Evan Stewart
kys
Jaxson Brooks
>both side would just play it as a P.R. exercise and would not go all in
Do they not have history class up there in maple syrup land?
Easton Nguyen
Wallace Jefferson
Caleb Collins
>Do you really care about Ukraine? Care enough to fight for Crimea to give back to Ukraine? Hell no. Care enough for Crimea not to be made into a precedent for Russian expansion into other neighboring countries? Absolutely.
Syria's a hot fucking mess right now. Navigating the support of select opposition groups to pressure Assad vs. a Russian government thats given the Assad regime a blank check in doing what they need to do to squash any and all resistance has just been a clusterfuck. A clusterfuck I want Clinton in the middle of.
Hunter Howard
>shitlary
Josiah Bailey
>check the Russians for their actions in Syria mate wtf mate? ((somebody)) was stirring the shit in Syria, with thousands of dead civs as a side effect, for 5 years and none of you retards cared (if media not screaming about it every day is ok, comrade). But now suddenly you have to act and go out of your way, even if it means ww3, just because it's no longer your boys who are going to come up on top after the whole massacre. Nice!
Wyatt Hughes
Are you kidding me? Why risk a Drumpf presidency?
Landon Bennett
WAHHHHHH MY FEEEEELINGGSS
FUCK OFF YOU FAGGOT. GROW A PAIR.
Luke Ortiz
Are you CTR or just a real retard?
Nathaniel Hughes
Hard to say whether or not Hillary was actually considering Wallace given that Wikileaks seems to be the only source of the name ever popping up, and that between specifically Podesta and some organization representing Soros. From what little I've read of the guy most seem to label him a moderate, which still beats a host of Scalia clones even if HRC really was seriously considering him.
Henry Bailey
>Care enough to fight for Crimea to give back to Ukraine? Hell no. Care enough for Crimea not to be made into a precedent for Russian expansion into other neighboring countries? Absolutely. I'm all against expansion of Russia. But they literally had no other options to keep control over the Black Sea. If only new oligarchs in power promised to keep Russian military bases, nothing would have happened.
>Syria's a hot fucking mess right now. Navigating the support of select opposition groups to pressure Assad vs. a Russian government thats given the Assad regime a blank check in doing what they need to do to squash any and all resistance has just been a clusterfuck. A clusterfuck I want Clinton in the middle of. But in the end nothing will become better. Why you think that rebels are good for people? Did Libya become better? Did Iraq? Did Afghanistan?
Joshua Hill
You do realize Hillary isn't going to fix any of that right? As She Doesn't Give a SHIT, you blind sheep
Owen Martin
>I feel more comfortable with Clinton at the helm in an arena where Russia escalates their current streak of imperialism than anyone else at the moment. She's far more knowledgeable about the history and context of the conflict and the players involved. And I'd rather have a leader that would go out of their way to actively check the Russians for their actions in Syria and Ukraine than go out of their way to praise the leadership skills of Putin and destabilize the only force currently capable of standing up to them (NATO) with his comments. But you started these conflicts in the first place via the Arab spring and regime changes. The fuck is wrong with democrats, such psychotic warmongers.
Justin Long
Ban leafposters pls I don't want a war here just because people overseas are retarded
Alexander Carter
Right? US breaks the ceasefire and kills 100 of their own supported Troops yet its Russia that is doing wrong. US staking claim to country across the Ocean yet its Russia in the wrong
>russia russia Russia
Henry Cook
What are you willing to risk for political expediency?
What is HRC willing to risk for political expediency?
This whole election I've been sold that HRC is a "policy wonk," meaning that HRC would like to take every opportunity to speak in detail about policy. To this day, the most in depth answer I can recall her giving on any specific policy and how to execute it is, "just go to my website." Wikileaks shows a pattern of an incredibly malleable political operation based on corporate profit and poll studies.
Cooper Baker
the worlds (governments) is not representative of the People of the world. id suggest any normal americans put their honor and heart waaaaay above their countrys reputation amongs a few elititst hooknoses who litterally isnt Worth a shit.
Anthony Cruz
>Why Risk a Clinton Presidency?
Because she doesnt want to fondle putins balls like trump. Clinton will inspire and grow americas influence and power. While trump wants to be scaredy cat faggot punk bitch nigga and make America more insular and weak just to make his daddy putin happy with him.
Fuck all ya unpatriotic fucks wanting to please Russia and let them expand and grown while overtaking America influence abroad. I bet yall let them bully in school fuck you in the ass just so he wouldn't beat you up like the bunch of gay as pussys you all are.
Like seriously why are yall so afraid of a lil bit growing pains? Being number one will take some work and raise tension a bit sure. But it sure will be a hell of alot better then having other world power just walk all over you.
I wish my country men all the best and would die for any of you shitty fucks but god damn would you wussy ass unpatriotic fucks make me give it some second thoughts before i went through with it.
Isaiah Cox
No one here supports her retard. It's only CTR and trolls.
Hunter Gonzalez
It's like you completely ignored the part where Trump said he would force our allies to pay more money or we'd pull up our military bases and be strategically weakened.
It's like you completely ignored the part where Trump said he would let other countries have nukes.
It's like you completely ignored the part where Trump said he'd take oil and resources from countries without asking.
It's like you completely ignored the part where Trump said he would stand up to China and Russia and other countries trying to mess with it.
It's like you completely ignored the part where Trump is a hothead autistic manbaby who argues with beauty queens on Twitter because he can't let even the smallest insult go.
Trump CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH LAUNCH CODES. AT NO COST.