BoJack is drunk before noon (again)

BoJack is drunk before noon (again)
Hollyhock lookin’ good. twitter.com/bojackhorseman/status/917799306316333057

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Little odd that he'd still be hanging out with his sister since she moved away.

He's rich. Why wouldn't she constantly hang out with him?

>BoJack is drunk before noon

Is this an American thing? Why is it worse to be drunk before noon than 'normally' drunk?

>Hollyhock
>looking good

Not with that fat belly she isn't

I thought she was just seeing Henrietta, I didn't think she was moving away.

>Is this an American thing? Why is it worse to be drunk before noon than 'normally' drunk?
Because people have day jobs and usually don't drink all day long.

THIS. His mother did nothing wrong.

You shut the fuck up, she's gorgeous

I'm glad they're still hanging out.

Its situational, but usually if you are drunk before noon either your day is fucked and you will be getting nothing accomplished, or you are a functional alcoholic in a vicious dependency cycle.

She is NOT a blob

Fuck off Bea.

She is kinda blobby. Just a little.

>Why is it worse to be drunk before noon than 'normally' drunk?
There is a loose rationalization that as long as you hold off drinking till a certain time (5pm) that you are in control and don't have a problem. If you drink before noon then it's like the opposite feeling that you are so out of control you probably started your day off alone and with a bottle of vodka.

Isn't this show literally SJW?

Interesting.

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>MUH ESS DUB JAY BOOGERMANS

Fuck off.

Wait, but didnt they have like... an ENTIRE episode about "muh feemayel uhpression"?

Yeah but it was fine. You should watch their gun control episode though. WEW lad

Only episode in the whole show that made me roll my eyes. If only it weren't for First Blood, we'd have so much less violence. Give me a fucking break.

Which one? All I remember is Diane being an asshole and PC being unable to give birth.

Oh God no! Anything but that! How will we survive!?

I want more fuck DRUMPF tweets Bojack, you hack

>There is a loose rationalization that as long as you hold off drinking till a certain time (5pm) that you are in control and don't have a problem

Mostly because as mentioned, the average work day for Americans in considered 9am-5pm every day with the exception of weekends, so if you're getting drunk before 5 (ie before the workday ends) then the perception is that you've either had a shitty day, an unproductive day, have no job, or you're unprofessional.

thats what was happening
They can easily write her into next season, by having her attend UCLA, she obviously has the grades for it

shut up your part of the problem with your sarcasm

Why is she so fucking fat?

Who fucking cares

You shut the fuck up right now, user.

It's had a few episodes with that basis in the story.

But only the gun control one annoyed me with that.
>To explain women's rights on abortion, we have a panal of white men
Funny
>Uncle Hippopotomus
It was based on Cosby, but now we have Weinstein (oy vey) in the news too, so very on point for Hollywoo[d]
>With a gun, I finally had the confidence all men had
>I guess men hate women more than they like guns
Fuck you Diane NgMouthpiece! If men were all so confident and happy, how come they kept doing all those mass shootings? Not the actions of a happy, confident or comfortable person.

Beatrice pls

Will season 5 be about Bojack finding purpose in life by helping Hollyhock with her weight problem?

Why are you?

I want to fuck Hollyhock's horse pussy so badly.

Because I eat too many sweets

I've seen a lot of people rationalizing that gun episode. The main defense I see of it is that in a world where the race for governor can be determined by skiing, California can override the constitution and also hates women more than it loves guns. It's a fictional setting, after all.

I don't think Bojack should get a pass on it. If they're going to get one-sided, heavy-handed, and legit political, I wish they'd express some knowledge on the debates instead of pulling talking points from the "paint by number" section of a mean-spirited ideology. There's comedic cynicism, but Feminism isn't trying to be funny. It's usually legit accusing and condemning people based on their skin color or gender.

I'm hoping that was just a one-off fluke and we don't see more of that in future seasons. The fracking commentary was also pretty uninformed, but I enjoyed everything about Couldchuck Wouldchuck enough to give it a pass as a framing device. In that case the jokes and absurdity were mostly front and center. I kind of wonder why they chose that of all things, though, since it's not as controversial anymore.

>To explain women's rights on abortion, we have a panal of white men
White men are no less qualified than any other demographic to speak about abortion. That is, unless there is some secret about the general mechanism of pregnancy that only black people and women are privy to.

Diane is the most reprehensible character on the show. Literally a female writer... inexcusable.

>Literally a female writer... inexcusable.
Wait, did somebody imbue a poorly written stawman with life through dark magic?

Well, should women have a say in mandatory vasectomies?

I think Bojack sees promise in her humor. I would not be surprised if he started pushing her into comedy clubs to get her Hollywoo start.

Hollywoo... Hollyhock... sorta similar...

Real shame about Turtletaub. 50 years in Hollywoo and you fall victim to a sexual harassment claim with every gold digging Me-Too! skank dog piling on. Thoughts and prayers.

They should get a say as to whether or not they're covered by healthcare, and they can debate about the morality of it. So yes, women should get input into vasectomies.

I'm not sure if you've heard about this, but the whole "reproduction" thing usually involves both genders.

Also fuck you. You know perfectly well you're tilting the subject by describing "mandatory vasectomies". Nobody is debating about mandatory hysterectomies. The issue is birth control.

Season 4 sucked.
Its hard to say it.
but I said it

But there would be a debate about mandatory vasectomies in a female-dominant society. There's no debate today because any man who hears it would consider such a policy.

Vasectomies are a form of birth control. They're far easier & less invasive than a hysterectomy.

Vasectomies are permanent, and even the "reversible" kind are still surgical in nature and carry risks and costs that pills don't. There currently aren't any pills for men because so far most attempts at birth control pills for men have concluded in permanently sterile men.

In a matriarchal society, we STILL would not have mandatory vasectomies. We also don't have mandatory birth control pills. None of this is mandatory. The debate focuses entirely around healthcare and its exorbitant, ballooning costs. Most of the moral discussion is merely convenient justification for plans to save money by cutting coverage options or to make money by making everybody pay for it on all free market plans regardless of the buyer's gender.

Beatrice already did.

I just finished season 4 a couple minutes ago. Man it was refreshing having an uplifting ending for once, but that part with Mr.PB and Diane was pretty brutal...

Let's all just agree men and women should both have a say in these discussions.

It's funny how this series made fun of hipster racism once but then engages in it.

I can agree with that. It's a matter of family planning at its face, which is something both men and women share interest in, and it's a matter of financial policy deeper down, which has no gender.

But you know that's not the point the show was trying to make.

>that lack reason
Source

That would've taken more nuance than they're capable of putting in for this particular topic.

I agree to a degree, though I do feel that a man's desire for a child should never override the pregnant woman's wishes.

The series never really touched on the religious argument...

Fuck off alt-centrist.

Well you're cool since men have no "reproductive rights" at all.

You kiss your mother with that mouth?

The pill & other prescribed birth control methods carry risks as well. Vasectomies can be reversed, & in the rare occasion that the reversal didn't take, semen can be harvested direct from the testes.

No birth control is mandatory due to religious influence over culture & Hitler ruining eugenics.

I believe in violent radical compromise

Well eugenics might be gone, but hopefully Darwinism will rid the gene pool of YOUR idiocy.

What was wrong with Hitler's methods?

They do & should have a bit more. Everybody needs to be more careful with who they fuck. Women may choose whether or not to carry the pregnancy to term. The father cannot force a woman to abort or keep the child; the mother is taking all the risk in pregnancy. Men ought to be able to abort their rights to a child.

I wonder how much Mr. Peanut Butter regrets not trying to encourage Diane to continue her pregnancy. He probably thinks that if they had a child together, it would fix their problems. It's outside-looking-in optimism.

>What's wrong with eugenics?
This is probably not a serious question, but I feel like there are so many Sup Forumstards anymore it's worth an answer.

The short answer is that humans are not chickens. You don't breed humans to be fatter and full stop. I mean that's all we need out of chickens, that one trait, and maybe lots of eggs aside from that.

You want huge varieties of complicated things from humans, including intellect and creativity which are notoriously difficult to test for or quantify. The more traits you care about, the more you have to realize that genetics is not the basic Mendelian stuff they teach in high school. There are traits affected by "quantitative loci", which means that multiple parts of gene expression can lead to a single trait. If you change one thing, you can wind up with changes in a variety of other things. That's why we still don't have gene therapy, because we can't just turn on the "smart" gene or the "fast" gene without making the person also susceptible to Chron's Disease or something. We don't know how it works.

Anyway, as for whether vasectomies carry risks, the risks are not equivalent between vasectomies and pills, and neither is the convenience. Surgery is always going to be more dangerous than taking a pill because you have to factor in elements like anesthesia, which requires a specialist, and every other possible thing that could go wrong. With a pill, you may have a bad reaction to the pill, but with surgery there's just so much more. It's also easier to stop taking a pill than it is to go under the knife again and reverse a surgery.

A vasectomy is not equal to a pill. That's retarded. Pills are pills and surgery is surgery.

The ending with Mr Peanutbutter and Diane bugged me, why is it that it's always Mr Peanutbutter who's in the wrong for trying? I mean, sure he made a bit of a clumsy gesture, and maybe should have learnt from before, but she then just REEEs out on him for not being able to read her mind and not knowing that she didn't want the thing she said she wanted. She doesn't even try to see it from his point of view to de-escalate the situation she just got all buttmad instead and we are seemingly meant to sympathise with her.

Mr Peanutbutter is too pure for Diane.

Mr. PB doesn't want Diane to feel trapped, he wants her to feel like she's building a life with him.

Conversely, a surgery is typically a single session. Minor surgeries like molar removal rarely require a follow-up. When the surgery is done, it's done. Pills, however less involved, require consistent use for effectiveness, may require higher dosage after some time due to the built immunity response, & difficult to determine if one has been regularly consuming the medication.

The pill is 1k every year. One vasectomy is 2k for forever.

She looks thinner then she did,good for her

But by Diane's own admission, she's never satisfied with any of it and never will be. Mr.PB is chasing the metaphorical tail he can never catch.

She's probably weighs like 800 pounds

Are we supposed to sympathize with Diane at this point? She's basically fem-Bojack; an endless pit of self-sabotage and problem drinking.

>drunk
>drinking
A drink with lunch isn't the problem, being drunk before noon is.

I think we are meant to, she is usually written as the most reasonable character on the show, with other characters forigiving her flaws whenever they show up, or having them be non-flaws, like her caring too much about social movements that she is usually right about but the rest of society is wrong about.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that the show writers have her as their favourite character.

They are simply incompatible. I personally would have felt a Belle room was an excessive use of money, but then again I am currently living frugally. Personally, Diane, knowing how Mr. Peanutbutter is, should have clearly notified Mr. Peanutbutter that she does not want a literal Belle room. I may want something but I have to vocalize to my family that I don't want it now or just like the dream.

Diane doesn't want a life with Mr. Peanutbutter. She wants to maintain her independence as a feminist. But she can't have both. When she divorces, Diane will gain back a sense of "independence", but financially she'll probably never be independent.

Pregnant with Bojack's kid

She's a minor, not up for evaluation yet.

>Me watching the gun control ep
>Me: "wow yeah a mass shooting every few minutes? lol exaggeration"
>mfw Las Vegas happens literally the night after

I guess you are right, but I mostly just feel bad for Mr Peanutbutter over it.

Legal in my state, she is not hot. On the nice side of plain, I would reckon. Not a furry so wouldn't know.
Mainly gangs shooting other gang members so it's not really something people should care about.

She's the only grown-up in a cast of a horse, a dog, a cat, & a squatter. She's the only human living in human reality & not the decadence of Hollywoo that the others have gotten so accustomed to. She's probably the only character of the main cast who can never reach self-satisfaction, or at least not in Los Angeles.

What was Diane doing in Los Angeles in the first place? She wasn't really looking for jobs in the movie industry or anything. If she wants to write journalism, Los Angeles is not the reality she can write for.

I don't give a shit about Diane's feminist ideals. What pisses me off about her is how she HAS HER WHOLE FUCKING LIFE SET UP AND WILL PROBABLY LIVE COMFORTABLY for the rest of her life but she's still like WEEEHH I'M SO MISERABLE

for fuck sakes her husband is a multimillionaire and loves her more than anything. someone please explain to me what the fuck Diane's deal is?

We all feel for Mr. Peanutbutter, but I honestly don't see what he ever saw in her. Shouldn't he reconsider the type of woman he wants to be with?

>only person who has a 9-5 and is largely a failure who will never stop failing because she convinced herself that being in a magic city is ideal
She has a worse idea about what it means to be 'grown up' than adultman.

He doesn't seem to have much luck with women, given his string of ex-wives.

Annual costs depend on your insurance program, hence why birth control and its coverage is a matter of financial debate.

Ultimately, a vasectomy is still widely regarded as permanent and is not recommended by doctors as a temporary birth control. I don't know why you keep trying to equivocate the two. It would make more sense to compare condoms to birth control if anything, and then that's unfair because there are ulterior reasons to take birth control aside from birth control.

She doesn't want to be happy, she wants to be successful but she is neither. Which is the joke.

Like I said. She's fem-bojack, only without the character development.

Horrible family of origin? Check.
No need to worry about day to day things? Check.
Gets more or less everything she wants? Check.
Can't get any joy from anything she does because she knows, deep down, she didn't really earn any of it? Check.
Lack of external pressures means she has nothing to distract her from the horrible void in her soul that she's trying desperately to fill somehow? Big check there.

Diane, with Mr. Peanutbutter, has been living much like Bojack had been living for years before the start of the series. Affluent, carefree, but living aimlessly without purpose. She tries to take action & challenge herself to be the hard-hitting journalist to enacts change but gets chewed up by gritty war-torn third world reality. Diane works more towards the fluffiness of Hollywoo & cannot take the outlandishness of the culture. Editorial writing did keep her occupied, but she obviously didn't fit at the Buzzfeed nuttery. Los Angeles is simply not for Diane.

Moving Diane to another location does not change the fundamental problems with Diane, which is that she will never really be content with whatever it is she is currently doing.

I don't feel bad for pb. He obviously doesn't actually make any effort to know Diane's personality or interests or he would know she wouldn't like by now. He shouldn't have rushed into proposing.

Women suck!

It was easily better than 3

Well how would you make Diane grow up?

I don't think he's unpopular with women, rather than he just has a poor taste in women.

I wasn't really trying to make the two that comparable. I just wanted to make the point that if men can force women to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term it wouldn't be that far-fetched to have women force men to be sterilized. People don't tend to see the reality of a decision that does not directly impact them.

Well, commentary.

Yeah, that's true. Diane will probably never be happy. Is it because she doesn't know what she wants & lacks a clear goal? Is it because she doesn't love anyone more than she values herself?

True dat.

And men blow. We are all assholes.

>Well how would you make Diane grow up?
Make her live with a clone of herself that is unwilling to change.

He’s a normie. He has no true interests or passions, most of his life is just social interaction and doing random activities to pass the time.
Those kind of people don’t need someone special. They’re fine with settling because there’s nothing special about them, therefore no unique traits they’d have to have in common with a love interest to be happy.

Yeah, that's what I meant in regards to Mr Peanutbutter and women, that he seems to be unlucky/poor in picking ones that won't just leave him.

He tries but Diane wants a sugar daddy to support her and be a stress ball when she is mad. She really doesn't understand what she wants and refuses to try anything new, funnily enough.

Instead of freaking out over a room with some furniture she didn't let herself go loose and try to have some fun, instead retreating to her imagination. How the fuck is that healthy? For some things like murder, what other people taste like and a bunch of other shit a Belle room is the thing she is terrified of because of some vauge sense of 'independence'.

She will never be happy and she will never make the steps towards it either.

>tfw to intelligent to be happy

Like Irving? Diane didn't even get to knock her down a peg.

But Mr. Peanutbutter could have hooked up with another retriever easily. Retrievers love each other & would love doing all sorts of fun activities together.

Diane is terrified of becoming a splurging yuppy like all the Hollywoo types. She doesn't want extravagance in her life; she feels guilty about it (likely because she didn't earn it herself).

Does anyone really have passions or interests in Bojack Horseman? I guess you could argue Diane does and Princess Carolyn too, but Bojack doesn't really, Todd doesn't (apart from being asexual), and neither does Mr Peanutbutter, but at least he enjoys his life and does stuff.

I'm not too sure what you want the character to do, other than maybe take up building ships in bottles.

Diane writes snarky clickb8, Princess Caroline is the only one who has any notable success she is happy with.