>look him up on youtube >video after video praising him, "what we can learn from dan harmon's writing" "dan harmon's essential story telling rules (which is basically just babbys first hero's journey)" and clips from harmontown where he gives really shitty destructive advice like "accept your own lazyness and dont strive to make anything good, just treat it like shitting something out (yes, that's pretty much verbatim what he says) with a bunch of yes men telling him how true and genius it is.
You know, I'm not a fan of call out videos, but if anyone deserves one, it's dan harmon. If only because he's giving genuinely really shitty writing advice to impressionable people in a way that might actively harm their creative journey, and people need to stop dickriding him and not treat him like the second coming of christ.
In that sense, he really is a new dobson. People only really latched onto hating dobson cause he gave shitty advice to impressionable kids, and that's just outright reprehensible. Except harmon is way, way, WAAAAAAY worse because he has a fucking industry backing him up as a rising star writer that gives weight to his advice that isn't easily dismissed as amateur. He's outright dangerous to impressionable writers.
Remember kids, its easier to get forgiveness than permission. That's the mentality of all these cunts who go on insane tirades only beg later with a mea culpa. Left, right or center, they know exactly what they're doing because people fall for it.
In Dan's case, notice also, anytime he does something stupid he plays his alcoholic crutch for extra possible sympathy.
Also, fuck off with these threads.
Luke Hill
So did Sup Forums just decide he's the new devil? Is dobson really that boring to follow now?
Ian Martin
Why do you think he keeps getting kicked off projects?
Jose Anderson
*buuuurp* God ain't real Morty Morty I need muh McDonalds Sauce *fart* I'm Piiiiiiickle Rick!!!! *buuuuuuuuurp*
Mason Campbell
>him and roiland browse Sup Forums >mfw he's probably gonna see this and feel BTFO
Incoming vague twitter whining later today, I guarantee it.
Liam Kelly
Bet these threads are made by someone that works in the same room with him every day
Daniel Roberts
... J-Justin?
Blake Gomez
Harmon's just the dick of the moment. Dobson hate is infinitely expanding.
John Young
>He's outright dangerous to impressionable writers. Impressionable people earn what they get.
Aaron Barnes
Hi Matt
Chase Brown
...
Jaxson Russell
>he says this and the thought that he blatantly used mcdonalds's IP without their permission completely flies over his head
Gabriel Turner
What is he saying?
Carson Bell
put a spoiler up for that image OP you sick fuck, do you want me to lose my lunch?
Joshua Green
while a lot of what you say is valid, the "shit something out" quote actually is great advice in my opinion. the problem most writers have isn't a failure of quality, its a failure of discipline and a perfectionist attitude. He's encouraging people to just fucking WRITE, and give a shit about what they make on a case by case basis. It's the difference between a beautiful idea that never gets past being an idea and a so-so idea that actually exists, and can then be developed.
Connor Edwards
He thinks he invented that sauce that his show's fans are spazing over.
Brody Howard
He's angry at McDonald's for selling one of their own products after he hyped up demand for it.
Dominic Lewis
>babby's first hero's journey I found Dan's "muh circle" guide years ago through Justin. It gave me a basis for Campbell, which got me into Jung and finally how Jung's motifs were subjectively implemented in Fellini. It was the first step on some of the biggest influences on my own shit.
If I reread it now it would probably be really entry-level stuff, but it honestly wasn't a bad intro for the industry pragmatist.
Kevin King
Yeah, I think OP is having trouble seeing the forest from the trees. Harmon's an egomaniac, but it's wilfully ignorant to act like his videos on writing are entirely without merit. Hes just not that good a writer himself. Seems like the kind of dude that'll eventually end up teaching.
Camden Stewart
Why is harmon such a bitch? I dont say this often, but Mcdonalds is in the right.
Caleb Roberts
He thinks McDonalds should pay him royalties for the sauce.
John Hill
>Mcdonalds is in the right
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, they still pulled that bullshit stunt sending only 10 packs of sauce to each restaurant instead of actually having a reasonable amount
Jace Scott
>Manufacturing and distribution costs a LOT of money >Testing the water with a small amount amount to see if the whole thing is a internet joke or if there is actual long term interest that merits investment Seems pretty fucking reasonable to me
Xavier Cooper
not gonna lie i thought that was dan slott
Adam Bell
It was obvious to everyone with a brain that getting the sauce wasn't going to be worth the hassle once it was revealed that each store was barely getting any. The people who get paid to make these decisions should, at a minimum, be better at it than the layman.
Nathaniel Ross
Has Dobby done anything at all lately?
Tyler Gomez
>which is basically just babbys first hero's journey
If you believe in the 12 step Hero's Journey you're a turbo brainlet.
Fuck Chris Vogler and screenwriters in general.
Blake Lopez
Again, is this just an internet fad that dies in a week and doesn't warrant the investment, or is it something more.
They underestimated, we agree on that, but with how finicky fads can be can you blame them for erroring on the side of caution? Who wants to be the manager that made the call to manufacture and ship a shit ton of product that rots in a storage room.
Aaron Edwards
What makes you say that?
Justin Martin
...
Ian Foster
Those YouTube video essay people always seem overly impressed with all of the media they consume.
Jeremiah Mitchell
Because the Hero's Journey is not a formula for storytelling. The distilled 12 steps omit Campbell's refined explanations for each of the symbols in storytelling.
It's an easy way of writing an inoffensive plot. It's not a writer's godsend, and it certainly shouldn't be treated like one.
Nicholas Green
FUCK DAN HARMON. FUCK HIM WITH SATAN'S BARB-WIRED FROZEN COCK. THE LAZY SACK OF SHIT IS WORTH LESS THAN THE NAPKIN WIPING UP THE SPUNK SPILLING OUT OF THE ROTTEN COOZE OF AN AIDS-INFESTED CRACKWHORE.
At least Schrab got his shit together and finished SCUD. This lazy waste of existence cannot even finish La Cosa Nostroid. He's not even worth a "Some of You Guys are Alright" scenario muchless me pissing on him if he were on fire.
Aaron Martin
Fact is he gets more teen ass than everyone in this thread combined. Face it. He won
David Brown
>Fact is he gets more teen ass than everyone in this thread combined. Do you have proof? SJWs eat their own and I'd like to see that.
I think it's because the sauce packets had Rick & Morty stuff on it
Carson Jones
He hates Cuphead cause it’s too hard
Owen Kelly
Harmon hate is fleeting, Dobby hate is eternal
Austin Green
Sup J-Dawg
Noah Thomas
This, I don't even know what the fuck he expected to happen. >Have wildly popular show with obnoxious fanbase >Shoehorn some shit in about how the main character's ultimate quest is to get some stupid old promotional sauce from a real restaurant >Surprised and upset when the restaurant tries to capitalize on the retards
Connor Jackson
It's just some generic calarts-style drawing with a scifi theme. If he's mad it looks too much like Rick and Morty, maybe they should have put in more effort to make it look distinct.
Juan Jenkins
Oh, Jesus. I feel so bad for Justin.
Isaiah Morris
Oh, I never got a good look at it, and I just assumed it was the real thing.
Colton Gutierrez
Ive seen his interviews he seems like a hyper unfunny bitch who can only make one voice
Eli Lewis
>is both Rick and Morty >can only make one voice What the fuck?
Bentley Price
The sound the same bitch just deeper
Christian Perez
I feel like I've seen this motherfucker before.
Only thing that really resembles R&M is the color of the portal, but there's really no reason to make it sci fi theme other than the obvious. Which is not to say that Dan is right but if MD claimed this whole thing had nothing to do with the show (which afaik they aren't) they'd be lying.
Carter Johnson
>video after video praising him, "what we can learn from dan harmon's writing" "dan harmon's essential story telling rules (which is basically just babbys first hero's journey)" I really hate how many pseudo intellectuals have flocked to that sort of video essay format, where they spend about 10 to 15 minutes peppering up their often copy-pasted or misinformed opinions with buzzwords. Always unoriginal mulling over whatever's trending or considered "smart" too.
Juan Smith
Don't be mean to kids.
Thomas Brown
I agree.
Robert Perry
the logo is pretty similar as well
Sebastian Carter
For every EFAP there are a hundreds of tits with halfways decent editing skills.
Liam Long
People latched onto hating Dobson because he's an autistic obnoxious faggot In a way I guess it's still applicable then
Grayson Ward
>If he's mad it looks too much like Rick and Morty, maybe they should have put in more effort to make it look distinct. rick and morty artstyle BTFO
Jack Myers
Now that you say that they do both do the retarded random lower and upper case letters.
Adam White
People actually give a shit about Dan Harmon? I thought everyone saw Harmonquest and figured out he isn't creative and is pretty much stuck inside the box.
Not at all, Morty is anxious and timid, Rick is a sarcastic curt faggot.
Tyler Evans
But McDonald's is fully in the right to push the sauce because of the show, since they didn't steal any of the characters
Cooper Davis
I'm currently watching it for the first time. His entire schtick seems to revolve around "haha I'm a pathetic loser". That being said he's marginally better at improv than the imrpov R&M episodes made me think, but that's not saying much.
Nolan Ramirez
I never implied otherwise.
Zachary Cook
>hey jaden smith how much ironic abstraction are you on >I dunno man, like 6 >you are like little baby >watch this
Jacob Gomez
Someone pls vocaroo this.
Caleb Thompson
>just treat it like shitting something out This is basically what a bunch of actually talented creators say though. Just write something, doesn't matter if it's good. You'll never get anything done if you just keep second guessing yourself or keep trying to make something that can never be perfected perfect.
That being said, Harmon is an awkward and cringey asshole, but that's what makes him kind of funny, desu senpai.
Elijah Brooks
>a rising star No- he's been working since the mid nineties, it's just that he has a personality disorder and shits all over his own life so in the same analogy it's a star that begins to rise, fucks up spectacularly and plummets straight into shit, and the "rises" again so it can run through the cycle ad infinitum.
Gabriel Wright
Reminds me vaguely of Tobias from Amazing world of Gumball
James Garcia
No really. What. The. Fuck. Did he mean by this?
John Sullivan
>Sorry, McBlatantly Unlicensed Integration Meal done not well, hold the permission, extra awkward machine broke >Understandable, Have A Great Day.
Michael Allen
Problem with this sort of writing is that it's usually supposed to be followed up by step where, after you've gotten the work of sitting down and writing done, you're supposed to go back and rework the parts you half-assed and remove the terrible jokes and ideas because it's easier to work with something that's garbage than it is to work with a blank screen.
But people tend to not emphasize this crucial step when giving this sort of advice, so people tend to take it as being that after you "shit something out" you just call it a day rather than going back to do any tweaking once you have material to work with.
Xavier Edwards
Sup Forums hates Dan Harmon because he spoke out against Nazis in America.
Colton White
Someone called him out on his bullshit so he assumed they had to be a mcdonalds worker
Dylan Garcia
0/10 not even trying
Samuel Morales
this is hilarious.
Jackson Morris
It's funny because Harmon actually takes the time to argue with random people.
Jackson King
Harmon BTFO.
Juan Bailey
underrated kek
Noah Gonzalez
The anti-nazi part isnt the issue, its just all the other SJW stuff that makes it into the show and is very clearly out of place
Gavin Lewis
Savage.
Parker Clark
Sounds like he got owned.
Julian Sanchez
Judging by that Skyrim let's play he did he probably can't aim or anything because he's playing the game at one frame per second.
Liam Howard
I remember one of his tweets about the incident was like a fucking dril tweet, except unironic
Ryder Ross
>I will ask you in front of The Hollywood Reporter and with the world watching
Holy shit, I heard about this incident but I thought it was being exaggerated.
Caleb Adams
>pretty much verbatim Stopped reading here. Go fuck yourself.
Samuel Howard
According to Dobson he plays Skyrim at 10 fps thank you very much.
Cooper Gutierrez
Dude my boy Psychic Abilities said Justin would be on today.
Eli Bell
This is some funny shit. This dude just pulled a Rick Sanchez on the Subgenius church.
Those are charecter traits you dumb fuck Roiland even said it himself that he wasnt good at voices Morty Lemongrab And that time guy in gravity falls sound the same
Xavier Bailey
Unless more than one character appears within eyesight.
Robert Baker
user for the win
Isaac Rogers
You know, After season three on r&m, I started thinking about Community. It turned to shit in season 5, which was filled with "sequel" episodes and recycled ideas. Season 6 was even worse, with half the episodes dealing with the exact same basic premise. It was like the writers completely forgot what made that show good and tried to recapture the magic by constantly referencing the good years. I decided to check, and lo and behold, it turns out most of the writers on season 5 were people that never wrote for the show before, and by season 6 the only writer that was on the show before season 5 was Harmon himself.
My point is, I don't think the purge of the writers for season 3 of r&m was because of "feminism". I think Harmon is painfully mediocre writer that fumbled into something good with Community and is afraid of people with more talent, so whenever his show becomes big, he'll get rid of the good ones and replace them with cronies and yes-men. And much like with Paul Feig's Ghostbusters, the "feminism" is just a convenient shield to hide behind and call detractors sexist. It would also explain why he put a jab at MCU in one of the final episodes of Community - he's assravaged that the Russos got to work on arguably the biggest motion picture franchise of the decade while he's stuck doing shows for fucking Yahoo and Adult Swim.
Jace Gray
I love the fact that people are mispronouncing szechuan. It's pronounced (bar with me here) SUE-CHWAN-AH not SESHJUAN.
