So we all agree that the entire movie is just a dream that Winkie's Guy has in the moments before his death, right?

So we all agree that the entire movie is just a dream that Winkie's Guy has in the moments before his death, right?

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come on faggots

The first two hours are Diane Selwin’s dream. The dream ends when the cowboy says “Time to get up, pretty girl!”
The rest of the film is Diane Selwin losing her mind over the fact she put a hit on Camilla Rhodes.

>The rest of the film is Diane Selwin losing her mind over the fact she put a hit on Camilla Rhodes.
So why do we see the bum in the second half? She never does. We clearly see that there are elements in common across both segments.

Someone post THE WEBM already.

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you assume it has to make sense.

I assume that it was edited the way it was for a reason is all

She doesn’t see the bum because she doesn’t want to. The bum is an inner demon that she is incapable of facing directly.

Who fucking knows. Most people who think they "Get it" read an analysis. This is why I liked Lost Highway better because it's using the same dream idea, but is more straight forward.

The winkies diner scene occurs at the beginning of the film so that you feel highly uneasy for the entire experience. Mulholland Dr has many slow, long panning shots around corners and they always scare you because the movie gave you a terrifying jumpscare early on.

Don't act like your experience is so objective. I found Mulholland WAY more straightforward than lost highway

>The bum is an inner demon that she is incapable of facing directly.
If it's an inner demon then why does it exist outside of her? It's the real world. What is the ontological status of the bum?

Do you really think the tiny old people running out of the paper bag are real?

I'm asking you what you think they are. If the second half of the movie isn't a dream then it makes no sense to say that these things exist only in her mind.

I've not seen lost highway so i dont know if this applies to that movie too, but i was readying Jorge louis borges' 'an examination of the work or herbert quian' in which he describes a novel's plot and the characters in it but half way through the main character wakes up at his desk and we learn all the characters are different outside of the writers dream. Do you guys think this could have been the inspiration for Lynch? I very much buy into the theory that its dianes dream.

also, do you have any opinions of the list of clues lynch gave?

>Pay particular attention in the beginning of the film: At least two clues are revealed before the credits.
>Notice appearances of the red lampshade.
>Can you hear the title of the film that Adam Kesher is auditioning actresses for? Is it mentioned again?
>An accident is a terrible event—notice the location of the accident.
>Who gives a key, and why?
>Notice the robe, the ashtray, the coffee cup.
>What is felt, realized and gathered at the Club Silencio?
>Did talent alone help Camilla?
>Note the occurrences surrounding the man behind Winkie's.
>Where is Aunt Ruth?

What specifically doesn’t make sense about it?

Are you saying that they're pure hallucinations?

>>What is felt, realized and gathered at the Club Silencio?
There is no band. It's not real.

>>Note the occurrences surrounding the man behind Winkie's.
The guy says the bum showed up in a dream, and then we see him show up.

Yes because there’s literally a scene where Diane hallucinates in the kitchen and thinks she sees Camilla. She’s obviously prone to hallucinations.

You're presupposing that this takes place in the real world, though.

Yes, because after the cowboy wakes her up, we’re watching Diane in the real world through a series of flashbacks.

How do you know that's the real world? I mean it obviously isn't. There is no band.

It might not be the “real” world, but it’s the world outside of Diane Selwin’s dream

So why is the Cowboy there?

this movie still spooks me

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Because she’s still sleeping, and the cowboy, who represents order, instructs her to wake up and leave her escapist dream world.

He's at the party, numbskull

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This guy comes up to you behind Winkie's and asks if you've got a light, wat do?

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Man I fucking hate "It was all just a meme" movies

Wait why are people talkinga bout Diane SElwick whent he consensus is that Winkie's Dan has the dream?

He’s just some guy at the party she sees, but she incorporates him into her dream as a symbol of order (like how cowboys are traditionally perceived as righteous with a strong sense of right and wrong). She does the same thing with the guy at Winkie’s.

So when does she have the dream? The dream clearly takes place before the party because she wakes up and then goes to the party.

>She wakes up and goes to the party
This is where you have the timeline all fucked up. Everything that happens at the party occurs before Diane Selwin’s dream. Even if you don’t believe me, you can tell from the dialogue.

What about that jumpscare makes it so highly regarded? The person isn't scary is it because it's a Lynch film

>Everything that happens at the party occurs before Diane Selwin’s dream.
So when is she dreaming?

>Happens in broad daylight outside of a diner
>Sound design is abstract and unfamiliar
>Ridiculous buildup by cutting from the two men walking to the corner of the wall where you just know something is going to happen, it’s just a matter of when

I might be wrong but I think the camera never stops moving during the entire scene, that makes it unnerving

at least when the two men are sitting down talking

The dream starts right before the opening credits and ends when the cowboy wakes her up.

Ah you seem like a real authority

Answer my question please I know it is Winkie's guy who is dreaming

Why were there so many allusions to Lynch's other stuff in The Return? Why did Lynch intentionally cast the Winkie's guy in The Return? Was there some sort of master plan I missed or are these just red herrings designed to fuck with fans?

>Laura Dern and Cheryl Lee are both in The Return and Wild At Heart
What did he mean by this?

I think certain actors have some special meaning in his head and he likes particular people to play particular roles so I don't think it's odd he reuses actors. I think I read somewhere that he doesn't hold auditions but instead picks who he wants and tries to land them because their face/whatever means something to him.