Child Sex Abuse

>Sex acts cause harm to children.

Sup Forums is there any actual evidence of this? I believe it's more of societal pressure that 'harms and traumatizes' children, not the sex acts themselves.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy
smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-replicated-100-psychology-studies-and-fewer-half-got-same-results-180956426/
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/03/study-that-undercut-psych-research-got-it-wrong/
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x/full
pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/4/696.short
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02564.x/full
youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8
patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/01/20/sexual-abuse-and-sexual-orientation-a-prospective-study/
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.371.9947&rep=rep1&type=pdf
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

>an fat, autistic, smelly retard is touching you
>i guess this is fine
>oh no
>society told me otherwise
>i'm totaly traumatized right now

I'm sure it works this way. I hope you'll die in a fire, or eventually land in prison and get shanked.

>stuff adult sized penis into small child
>rupture her insides

Yeah children were totally built for sex bro XD

>is there any actual evidence of this?
Nope. Gentle loving sexual activity, within a proper relationship, is good for little girls.
>the only sexual activity that exist is balls-deep P-in-V
How stupid are you? There's plenty of sex stuff you can do with a little girl until her kitty is big enough for doing that.

Sorry CTR, but it's a bit late to be normalizing pedophilia and child molestation now

They totaly don't feel uncomfortable when an autistic fat fuck is touching them, why is America this fucking barbaric to fuck their own youth?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy

there is not a single argument for anything sexually related towards prepubescents
biologically and logically, it doesn't fucking work like that
adolescents on the other hand were very clearly suited for this in the past several hundred years so the legal boundaries of it all is a more recent invention. that said obviously nobody wants fat autist kiddy diddlers mucking about in the streets

really fucking disturbed by the responses I'm seeing with all of this dark shit being uncovered.

Seems a good portion of people aren't terrified by this in the least.

I am very sorry but I will pray for you before bed tonight. Seriously.

When I was molested as a child I had lots of damage in my private areas. That's how they checked to see if I was actually molested in the first place. The examination also spanned two years after the abuse , so yes there is damage.

Youre being paid to write this but how can you live with yourself?

They're fucking little kids man.

You disgusting fucks, women are used up enoutgh as it is and now you want to fuck them even when they are kids? On the day of the rope, you'll be lower than the niggers.

You're a pedophile aren't you OP. if you were to meet me you'd have a bad time. I'd file your fingers and toes down to stumps. Sew rats under your skin and peel your skin of your flesh. Pluck your eyes out and inject your genitals with battery acid. You'd live for a long time in my basement. We'd have good long chats while i cooked your body parts and fed them to you. Bffs forever

You know Biblical scholars agree that Mary was between 11 and 14 when God impregnated her, right?

Maybe not the right guy to pray to, user. I would try Buddha. Probably didn't even approve of normie sex.

Did the person use a claw hammer?

That's pretty fucked up
I wanna molest your fully grown adult privates

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I'm inclined to agree, having been a victim firsthand, well before I had any idea what was actually going on. Doesn't mean this degenerate sandnigger practice should be tolerated, though.

Jokes aside, no. There was no vaginal penetration, just anal penetration. Yet I still managed to have some form of damage near the vaginal area.

Anything extreme that was done to a child gets stamped into his mind forever and theoretically can change his life

>t. muhammad

Are you implying an adult woman wouldn't feel uncomfortable when an autistic fat fuck is touching them?

This subject is a gray area and it's easier to just steer completely clear of gray areas, but you have to admit, it doesn't justify it, but a lot of kids probably do end up more traumatized by the reaction than the actual act.

>Sup Forums is there any actual evidence of this?

the blood, tearing, and crying isn't enough?

>Animefags are dumb.

Who would have thought?

It is correlated to a higher risk of drug usage and paraphilia.

Sexually abusing children is both a deficiency of morality and detriment to a healthy society.

It's essentially compromising the normality of youth with sexual themes for selfish reasons. Introducing children to sexuality is just a means to politicized an already quaint standing with natural sexual development. Parents are supposed to monitor their children to make sure sibling sexual abuse doesn't occur, and otherwise let them do their thing.

So nobody wants to read this link, huh?

>Sup Forums talks pedophilia on another context.

Actually that's almost how it works except people aren't even traumatized after that.

There is proof that it doesn't cause harm.
see Rind et al. controversy.

It's not enough evidence to actually make all such things legal, because it is the safety of children that is at stake with this legislation.
But it is enough evidence to stop treating it like such a super fucking taboo topic.

People will continue to post bullshit and anecdotal evidence ITT, but i had to post the rational position here.

This will never not piss me off.

We should just nuke the whole area and be done with it.

>studies done in the psychological field
>valid

>West Europeans are degenerate pedophiles

Gee, who would have thought?

Sexual acts towards children, while not physically traumatic or immediately mentally, can play a huge part in their development of their future sexuality. I.E. young boy's and girls who get diddled are more prone to become degenerate and/or sjws (latter being the case if said child indoctrinated into believing they were exploited and raped)

So with all things considered, it technically does cause harm.

why would they not be.
Either actually point out flaws in the scientific methodology. (And believe me people have tried, and redid the study a couple of times too.)
Or be silent.

Science cannot be dismissed just because you dislike the result or the field it came from.
It can be dismissed because of bias, because of bad methodology, or because of new evidence.

Neither of these was present in those studies.

>this thread

so islam won?

>The examination also spanned two years after the abuse

Are you sure its not the examiner who's abusing you?

Most pedophiles fuck boys, not girls.

Yeah they're fags

Psychology has been well known for its garbage studies, they are always flawed and they do not ever follow the scientific method. Even with the study you cited, many other psychologists found it to be flawed in itself. smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-replicated-100-psychology-studies-and-fewer-half-got-same-results-180956426/ . This is the same field that believes gender dysphoria can be cured by a sex change, when after going through it they have a 40 percent chance of trying to off themselves.

No. Rationality is starting to win. I know this is a hard concept for you burgers to grasp.

That is also factually wrong.

Glad to see someone is willing to look into this and not just accept the arbitrary age restrictions put on sexual consent. It's usually bible-thumpers that start crying when this is challenged, even though their book has children getting married as the norm.

the damage their fucked up behaviors would cause to society are evidence enough

harm comes in many forms, and one of the most important forms is harm to human society

legal in some areas of the world
if you dont like your laws you dont have to be here

weak argument to defend political corruption

how did civilizations before modern laws about aoc deal with it?

That was a pretty retarded post user. I don't know why you believe such stupid things.

Thanks based Hungary.

You sound bothered, user.

even if this is bait, KILL YOURSELF OP.

FUCK OFF AND DIE

/sage

How are you any different than a Tumblr SJW fag? >wah someone said something muh feelins'.

>Actually that's almost how it works except people aren't even traumatized after that.

Yeah all those diddled children turn in to successful adults.

>Neither of these was present in those studies.

Top kek

>The paper has been criticized for restricting its analysis to convenience samples of college students, thought to introduce a systematic bias by excluding victims so traumatized that they did not go on to attend college

>Spiegel criticized that Rind et al. included a long list of measured variables in order to appear comprehensive, but remarkably omitted posttraumatic stress disorder - "the most salient symptom" - from their analysis

Not testing for the most obvious symptom doesn't seem like bad methodology?

>The reactions of victims in their adult lives have been found to be extremely varied, ranging from severe to nearly unnoticeable, and many pathologies are not diagnosable in the strictly clinical sense Rind uses. Victims often have a flawed or distorted appraisal of their abuse, and fail to connect distressing and sometimes debilitating pathologies with their experiences. Further, these studies make no accounting for emotional support of the victim's family, clinical treatment of the victim prior to the study, or personal resiliency, which can easily account for less severe outcomes.

I guess it's ok as long as some kids can handle it

>Dallam and Anne Salter have stated that Rind and Bauserman have associated with age of consent reform organizations in the past. In the years before the paper was written, both Rind and Bauserman had published articles in Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia, a journal which was dedicated to "[demonstrating] that pedophilia has been, and remains, a legitimate and productive part of the totality of human experience".[41] In addition, Dallam and Salter stated that Rind and Bauserman were keynote speakers at a pedophile advocacy conference occurring in the Netherlands

No bias here

The study that claimed that psychological studies can't be replicated has already been debunked in spring already.
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/03/study-that-undercut-psych-research-got-it-wrong/


>dysphoria can be cured by sex change
We currently have no other method of treating the symptoms effectively.
And yes it does treat the symptoms effectively with >90% reporting betterment, and >60% measurably doing better in life.
The suicide statistics include people before transition (who are the majority). transitioning decreases the likelyhood of suicide as stated above.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x/full
pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/4/696.short
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02564.x/full

go fuck off

First, we must make a distinction between hebephilia and pedophilia.

Hebephilia deals with the potential reality that the child is in the process of sexually maturing, at this age, perhaps old enough to have sex in their own mind. As someone who was once 13, I can attest to the fact that yes, I, and most others may age, were sexually active.

Pedophilia is essentially dealing with literally children who are simply not sexually active. They are not close at all and are extremely immature both mentally, sexually and physically.

Is there something wrong with a 13 year old having a sexual relationship with someone older then him/her? Depends on the person at this point.

What is true though that in either cased, forced sex, especially any degree of penetration, is extremely traumatizing both physically for the body of the person and mentally, this traumatization is maximized the younger the person is, how much they get hurt in the process and what they were subjected. This becomes even more acute if it's a person they trust, like a parent, sibling, teacher, etc.

Also, there is very clear evidence that the younger the child partakes in sexual action, the more sexually deviant they become (this is why parents MUST restrict internet access, porn is extremely damaging to the process of development for the child.).

If you fuck a 7 year old, they will become extremely traumatized due to the sheer pain of the event.

IIf you fuck a 13 year old who is sexually mature with their consent, I'm not sure what will happen. If the process is romantic and the 13 year old is special in the degree of which they're ready for it, then it may be fine.

The 13 year old herself/himself will make the decision if it's rape to them or not. Allow the person to enjoy what they feel compelled to do, but if it happens and they don't want it to happen, then they'll tell someone, and the rapist will get what they deserve.

>rationality
For what?

That faggots, trannies and kiddy diddlers are all cut from the same mentally fucked cloth

So basically, pedos need more lube for their targets? Need to stretch it out a bit first? Work your way up?

I agree that the pedo hysteria is blown way out of proportion but actually fucking small children should never be allowed.

Stick to CP and control yourself.

hereWhy did the industrial revolution and i guess big city pol/clergy/ etc raise the age of consent?

Because peoples lives are longer? city values?

Doesn't all that "hormone" crap in the food make people develop earlier?

Always with the arbitrary numbers its seems on the law book.

These same elites that get busted for pedo culture and parties were the same people that raised teh age of consent.

They have child love dolls now. Only for straight male pedos though. No work has gone into shotas for women and gay pedos

>Yeah all those diddled children turn in to successful adults.
Yes. The analysis shows exactly that.

>all that other shit
You are forgetting that other studies were done with corrected methodology after flaws in the initial one were pointed out and they lead to the same results.

>associated with age of consent reform
Oh wow, it's almost like they actually have looked at the data and propose that we base our laws and who we regard as monsters based on that and not on "it's been this way for so long" and "muh innocent chilluns".

If you had read the article further you would have noticed that there were other follow up studies done.

Also these things are only one side of the "flaws", because as much as people might no associate trauma with their experience, some of that trauma might come from how society is handling the issue and not how that event actually affected anyone.

Fuck off.

And they all just can't help the way that they are, so we, as the mean society that oppresses them, now need to foegive their sins and simply accept their conduct. After all, it's gonna be 2017 soon.

Sup Forums is incredibly blue-pilled on this topic. Thank you!

Why is it that only adults advocate for the acceptance of sexual activity with children who haven't yet developed sexual urges?

Really makes you go hmmmm...........

Most of the world is.
And in a way it's understandable, because if you took some rash decisions based on these findings (as people are known to do) then you would potentially endanger children who can't protect themselves.
In other words you'd directly endanger the future of our species.

And even though i have fantasies about being the "victim" of such things, i personally find this topic to be fairly disgusting in reality, and generally dislike it.

But there has to be some rationality in dealing with this and other topics, instead of retarded appeals to emotion.

This is a matter of definition really.
If someone hasn't yet known what something is like, how could they possibly advocate for it?

I actually know a girl who's completely infertile because everything was ruptured when she was 3 or 4 by her uncle, the medication she's on for all of her psychological problems is actually fucked. She's been in and out of hospital her whole life though because of suicide attempts starting when she was 8 which in itself is fucking depressing enough.

There is a huge stigma around pedophilia though and it must fucking suck being attracted to kids and being unable to seek help because you don't want to be put in jail or ridiculed. As long as you're not fucking the kid it shouldn't be a problem, jack off to a picture or whatever, just don't fuck the kid. You can't help what you're attracted to, do you think anyone chooses to fucking love playing in shit? No but scat porn exists for a fucking reason.

>it's good for them because I want it to be despite all the evidence otherwise
yourself kill

>And even though i have fantasies about being the "victim" of such things
Opinion discarded

yes, there it is. i knew this day would come. they are trying to normalize pedophilia. the end times can not come quickly enough.

You have to take into consideration that i've had these fantasies since wwaaaayyyy before i turned legal though, and that irl is a different thing.

The point here being that i'm not saying things because i want to molest people or be molested irl.
Because i find those things fairly disgusting.

I'm saying things because i dislike uninformed and irrational discourse on a topic i have some information about.

shut up poland i spent an hour reading one of your filthy people speak in detail about their child porn preferences and other stuff. by the end of the thread people were posting almost CP and pedos were just talking to eachother shit was whack. point being poland you are dirty AF stfu

Sucks for your friend, 3/4 is too young.

Pedos themself typically find support with other pedos

kids dont want to have sex with adults, i dont care if it doesnt damage them. it takes away their innocence + sex before marriage is degenerate.

also having sex and then leaving = fucking with bonding ability. just like any other women you would fuck and chuck. it messes them up.

why are you so gay and why do you only focus and dumb shit and pretend that it is a bigger thing that it actually is for the sake of sort of drama in your life to fill some sort of emotional void in your life?

Like are you really some sort of confirmation bias seeking gay emotional faggot? Or a shitty online roleplayer?

Cause either way your damn gay and lame for wanting to believe that type of shit you queer blowing sack of shit.

>also having sex and then leaving = fucking with bonding ability. just like any other women you would fuck and chuck. it messes them up.
and this is why i find it disgusting despite it most likely not being harmful.

>it takes away their innocence
this however is just a matter of conjecture. innocence shouldn't be based on "had sex or not"

love and tolerance, kid diddling is all fine is the bluepill

redpill - you're harming the children but you're horny anyways

love and tolerance, kid diddling is all fine is the bluepill

redpill - you're harming the children but you want to fuck them anyways

Yes!!!

Child abuse will destroy a person's life. even the slightest wrong touch will give kids PTSD

As a proud male feminist I stand up against all males touching children in fear theyof accidentally give them permanent trauma

It is a FACT that all males attractive to women under 18 years old have a mental disability and need strong medication to correct this.

Day of the rope when. I know this is a bait thread but this shit trips me instantly.

underrated

So male feminist, if you were with your wife and her son/daughter, you wouldn't hold their hand, pick them up, tussle their hair, etc. Because that is some how pseudo sexual pedophilia and will permanently traumatize them forever?

It depends on whether my wife consented to me making physical contact with my child

>my child
Nice try

What is "betterment"?
How is this different than "doing better in life?"
What are the definitions behind these phrases, and what metrics are used to measure them?
Sounds like another bullshit study to me. Anyone on HRT looks like a freak. You can't tell me those people are happy.

most gay people were molested as kids, does the count as trauma?

Were they molested because they were gay?

How did the molesters know?

lame troll cuck

you forgot to attach the trigger warning dipshit

The point is that it turns them gay

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i will need a source on that claim.

Cute tranny tumblr: adorathekitty.tumblr.com

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It's a grey area, and one that's too easy to go black.

One of my close friends was raped by the man his mother brought into his life after his biological father passed away. Now, he's definitely not the type to bitch about it or be self-pitying, and I only discovered it because I came across the arrest records of the guy by chance.

But sex acts with children are difficult to even begin to try to justify because there's the issue of informed consent.

Are kids living out the 100% idealistic animu scenario dying on the inside? Probably not. But there are few, if any, kids dealing with that scenario.

Instead, you've got kids being sold out by their parents to have Clintons and other decrepit reaks molesting them.

youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8

I think it's funny when anti-pedos defend children and say they are being taken advantage of/have something special to lose when engaging in sexual acts with someone who knows what they're doing. They're literally admitting the worth of virginity and purity that they go on to deny about stuff later in life.

>Why won't anyone married me after I whored around for years?

fucking idiots. What about Child-molesters, i.e Children who pursue adults? Why are we expected to stumble our way around in the area of sex? We are taught everything else in life

>you can't tell me
Yes because your anecdotal evidence is worth more to you than scientific studies.
This is the same kind of problem we are having in this thread.
People see evidence for something not really being as harmful, but because they were indoctrinated to believe that it is, they dismiss it.
I can accept people thinking the evidence is not clear enough. That can be talked about, new studies made, etc.

What i cannot accept is people just saying that the evidence should be dismissed for no other reason than that they feel that way.

That is cherrypicking and not in any way related to what that guy said.

Sick

They tended to sell their virgins, can't sell damaged goods

In an eralier article before the trial they included that the immigrant had a 12 year old wife back home and that she had given him the okay to sate his urges if he needed to.

There's not a lot of research out there

patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/01/20/sexual-abuse-and-sexual-orientation-a-prospective-study/
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.371.9947&rep=rep1&type=pdf

But if you have any gay friends ask them if they were ever abused, you'll be surprised how common it is

>That is cherrypicking

How so? The vid description seems to indicate it was very widespread in the bars he was in.

I can guarantee you this: trauma/abuse is definitely what makes someone gay, whether it sexual or otherwise.

This is how gays "reproduce" to create more gays, intentional or not.