Celshading will never look goo-

celshading will never look goo-

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We've known it looked good since MvC3. But companies seemed to be obsessed with Muh realism.

Jobcha is actually cool for once. Wish they gave Tien his Z outfit instead of that ugly Super one.

Who said it would never look good?
I fucking love cell shading.

Guilty Gear perfected it ages ago

it's the age of celshading, at least in Japan. They realized that having 3D assets is the future.

yeah, the obsession for realism is weird because when you hit almost like reality appearance people begin to dislike it.

No one has ever said that. There are no bad shading methods, just bad art styles. Bad cel shaded games such as Wind Waker are only ugly because of bad design choices (stump legs, orangutan arms, cat eyes, etc).

>Bad cel shaded games such as Wind Waker
Please vacate.

>(stump legs, orangutan arms, cat eyes, etc)

"It's artstyle not bad design!"

Capcom already had Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Cross Generation, claiming mvc3 is relevant it-s wrong

>Wind Waker
>Ugly

Sup Forums fucking plz

>Bad cel shaded games such as Wind Waker are only ugly


Wow. Go back to 2002 you dumbass

I hate BotW like everyone else but I have to admit that the way it looks is more of the switch than bad art direction.

It's like trying to play Crysis in a Gameboy. They had to hold back with the graphics for performance, it's a compromise for consoles.

Yamchas style was always pretty cool, characters had unique styles in DB, but then Z came where only Saiyans could fight and the only distinction in their styles was the color of their ki attacks.

>I hate BotW like everyone else

Are you daft?

>I hate BotW like everyone else

why everyone is assblasted about people don't liking BotW? It's not even Sup Forums

>people saying Yamcha sucks
>People saying Wind Waker had an ugly artstyle
>people saying BotW sucked
>People saying mvc3 wasn't relevant

Good fucking god Sup Forums

>decent models
>good minimal environments in the trailer
>show comes out
>it's shit
>they're trying to fix it
>it's getting worse
wtf is wrong with rwby

>I hate BotW like everyone else
>like everyone else

Sup Forums's contrarianism is a hell of a drug.

I am the only one eho is kind of ashamed to admit I am still his fan?

The guy who gave a shit died, leaving his passion project behind.

You are in Sup Forumsmblr retard

>not the classic DB Yamcha bandit suit

As long as he has long hair, he's fine
Those TFSfags are the main ones to blame. They blindly repeat the jokes and never even wacthed/read any of it besides "Yamcha lol" and "Piccolo is Gohan's dad xD"

>He still thinks a parody show has anything to say about what people already knew.
>He honestly believes that's not actually the fault of Toriyama who stopped making humans relevant.

LMAOing at your fanboyism, shitter.
Plus, at least he doesn't have it as bad as fucking Tien, considering he jobbed extra hard in Super.

Yamcha is an intentionally bad and joke character and no one seems to get that including Sup Forums.
Tein was a warrior and child prodigy toned down to be worse than a joke character because Japs hate chinks.

I'm sad celshading will never appear in major western animated movies. Did pixar write a book saying cel shading is cancer or something so other 3d studios avoid it like the plague?

Both GG and DBZ are not real cellshading, they use cellshading as base but then they adjust and "draw" frame by frame.

Its probably more time consuming and expensive than actual 10 fps anime tier 2d animation.

>people saying Yamcha sucks
>>People saying Wind Waker had an ugly artstyle
>>people saying BotW sucked
>>People saying mvc3 wasn't relevant


mc3 wasnt relevant you dumbfuck, it had no competitive escene, and due marvel being sold to disney it didnt got long time support for casual fans. It was a complete failure on both ends. I liked the game but you cant pretend it was relevant

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Jet Set Radio did

Still, look at Goku in this shot. His hair seems off model due to the angle he's at. He's sorta have this Mickey Mouse rule where Mickey's ears remain round and don't overlap one another. Being there's no camera control, it is something they can fine tune for this scene.

Sometimes you don't need any celshading to look this good.
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Tien's Super outfit is great considering he's basically Wong Fei Hung now

You're a casual bitch.

Yamcha has been great in fighting games, where dumb power level shit don't matter.

>Yamchas style was always pretty cool, characters had unique styles in DB
This is also the reason why Yamcha, Tien and Krilin are the most fun characters to play in good DBZ fighting games.

Yamcha's death pose has been a meme in Japan for forever.

DLC

that's having good taste

Go watch The Long Long Holiday on netflix. I legit didn't realize it was CG.

Raging Blast 1 and 2 are still the best looking DBZ games

もう2Dアニメーターいらねえな。
これでアニメ作ればええやん。

I think is more of a mindset than being shit. The "West" (not including France) use 3D animation for ultrarealistic videogames, special effects on live action movies or clay style animation for kids. They don't move outside of it because lacks of interest or profit. Japan (they are slow learners) adopted celshading because they have a huge market on anime, some people realize that they have to go on with the times and began experimenting with 3D. Some people have success others don't. Also hardware is cheaper, artist know more about 3D pipelines, videogames have become more popular and there are more artist using celshading in videogames than before (DBZfighters, Naruto Ninja Storm, That game from Ghibi, Assland, Atelier games, etc)

tl;dr: the west use it more for ultrarealism and clay animation for kids, japan use it more to mimic anime.

Fuck off Sup Forums

>classic DB Yamcha bandit suit
Hell yes

not necesaraly, when you have the assets, reusing is simpler and more streamlined. That's the point of using 3D technologies.

The one that was time consuming, more expensive and retarded was King of Fighters XIII, they made a pixel base, then redrawn in 3D, then animated it, then drawing on it. It was a convoluted mess that took months to make only one character.

>assland
You got my attention user.

sorry, it was Legend of Arsland

If maybe a bit overpowered, specially in Krilin's case.

Should've seen it coming.

>Bad cel shaded games such as Wind Waker

>Should've seen it coming.

A lot of alt costumes will be DLC, I want android 18 pink tracksuit.

not only that but because technology gets better very quickly it looks incredibly dated in a few years where as stylized stuff can still look fresh.

>Yamcha is an intentionally bad and joke character

A joke character, yes.
But intentionally bad? Nah. He had his fun moments but he was far from being the Dan Hibiki of Dragon Ball. He actually was a strong fighter that helped Goku during tournaments and the search for the Dragon Balls.

>If maybe a bit overpowered, specially in Krilin's case.
Depends in which game. Some games used to have different HP totals for different characters so for instance while Krilin had a good moveset he just didn't have the HP total to fight against a Buu at equal player skill level.
And then the competitive balance meme came about.

Yamcha was a baseball player who practiced martial arts just to fuck bitches and get money. Literally a successful Dan.

>There are Sup Forumsermin in this thread

Have you never read/watched the original Dragonball?

He was a desert bandit with a crippling shyness around women, but he got over that in time and started dating Bulma (who originally wanted to find the dragonballs to wish for a boyfriend)

It was only in the timeskip between DB and Z that he became a baseball player/massive pimp.
The fact he was so popular with the ladies is pretty much the reason he and bulma split up.

Reason why people say Yamcha sucks is that nearly every character in the series has been more relevant or had at least one feat that contributed to the narative after Sayian saga. Like Yajirobe and chaotzu, he's done shit all for a long time while even Krillin stepped up lately.

He stopped great ape Goku when he went on a rampage at Pilaf's castle.

He also stepped in to save Bulma after she got carroted by the Rabbit villain early on and Goku was helpless against him.

People who rag on Yamcha are almost always TFSfags. The day that awful overrated parody ends for good is the day I start watching DB videos on youtube again.

Why can't YT and toei just axe TFS for good? They did it with SSJ9k.

Haven't been watching the new dragonball

When did Tien become wong fei hung?

The process they use makes dlc costumes differcult. The only reason Elphet had her extra was because it's a swap, so your only chance is if there are any outfits in story mode they swap with.

>even Krillin stepped up lately
>lately
Are you retarded?

Krillin has always been stepping up, he's the token human who went to Namek and fucked a cyborg etc.
He's always stepping up until the Buu Saga, and even then at least he and Yamcha went down swinging against Buu at the Lookout unlike everyone else (including 18 who should have been far stronger than both of them)

>Celshading is an artstyle, Sup Forums discuses artstyles, this thread belong to Sup Forums.

it's simple, user

Note I said after Sayian saga, which is the problem. What has he done lately.

Is Android 21 playable?

She's a better design than any of the shit that has been in Super.

leaks next week, a new character or gameplay of her

Been smart enough to stay out of the terrible clusterfuck that is Neo-GT?

Stepping up as in fighting in tournements again, in fact I've enjoyed that he didn't just stay a family man.

Those literally happen within the first 13 chapters of DB. Way to prove he did nothing of note after the very first arc.

This sounds like a quote you made up just so you could plug something you like.

I for one have never heard anyone shit-talk cel-shading for not looking good. Childish, maybe. Cartoonish, perhaps? But not ugly.

No I am talking about that user who said BotW was shit, I didn't want to give him a (you)

He became a lameass traffic cop.

That's just stupid.

If he whole reason he has a job is because 18 is money hungry why doesn't he get a line of work where his superhuman strength would allow him to make massive amount of money in a fraction of the time?

Also the inter-universe tournament plotline is fucking stupid, throwing away any potential storytelling potential of universes just to ramp up 'scale' in such a shallow way.
Its the same cancerous mindset that led to runaway powerlevel bullshit.

Yeah, I'm sure those Japanese fans who have been making fun of Yamcha for decades (by making fun of his Saibaman death pose) traveled into the future to watch TFS.

>Yamcha tanked hits from SSB Vegeta, and a GoD fight
>SSJ3 Goku almost died getting finger flicked from Beerus
>Yamcha is stronger than SSJ3 goku when Super first started

...

Krillin looks fucking terrible

The only one with a creative bone on the whole project is currently feeding worms and even he couldn't make RWBY not suck.

Well, the artist makes lots of porn with him and 18. So maybe he is used to drawing him in a different style.

When will Sup Forums and Sup Forums post their own shit in their own boards?

>I hate BotW like everyone else
In all of my time on Sup Forums, this is, without any chance of a doubt, the dumbest post I've ever seen.

You should get a medal

This. Think about every notable thing Yamcha does after the first arc in Dragon Ball.

>Jobs to Jackie Chun
>Does fuck all during the Red Ribbon Army arc
>Only beats invisible man because he gets Bulma's boobs flashed at him
>Jobs to Tien
>Jobs to a Saibamen
>Spends the entire Namek arc dead
>Gets impaled by Dr. Gero
>Becomes a joke character for the rest of the franchise

He's not just useless in Z. He was useless in everything after his first appearance.

>Jobs to Tien
Can't deny it was a good fight.

The fact that Yamcha was the team jobber is a testament to how strong he was at the time. He existed to gauge the opponents strength and wow the readers/viewers. His role was given to Vegeta in Z.

It looks like he has a pineapple there.

>Jackie Chun
Yeah at the time he was the strongest character in the series
>RRA
Didn't his leg break?
He figured out his movements before that. The only reason he cheated was because Baba started to sing
>Jobs to Tien
Tien? easily one of the most gifted fighters so much so that Master Roshi felt he would be a suitable replacement as a challenge for his students
>Jobs to Saibamen
The only reason Tien didn't die is because Vegeta killed his and had Yamcha not offered to go second, Krillin would be in his pose
>Spends the entire Namek arc dead
So did Tien and Chiaotzu
>Gets impaled by Gero
He still managed to tank a whole in his chest. Something 3 saiyans couldn't even do.
>Became a joke character
So did Roshi and the Supreme kai.

It doesn't matter if you can justify his reasons for losing. The point is that it devalues the character when he never gets to have a cool moment (outside of movies and filler) beyond his initial debut.

>So did Roshi and the Supreme kai.
At least they didn't get into fights that they always lose.

He's had tons of cool moments.
>At least they didn't get into fights that they always lose.
Isn't the entire Supreme Kai line dead thanks to Shin's incompetence?

Anyone else hate Krillin? He sucks the only reason he "seems" more capable and shit is because he's Goku's Best Friend. That gives him certain privileges like being presented as better than characters like Tien who would nuke him so hard that it would be impossible to revive him. Seriously Krillin is garbage.

Additionally he helped Cell become complete because "Muh robo pussy!" even though the point of begging with robo pussy in his case meant that CELL cucks him out of getting 18 and Cell becomes complete while he's left to fap in the corner like a loser. Cell wanted to kill the entire world that includes Piccolo and if Piccolo dies at Cell's hands once he was complete? There go the dragon balls, Krillin is shit.

Also 18 loving Krillin is wish fulfillment bullshit. Even the kids of this series are taller than Krillin. Yet I'm supposed to believe that 18 a pretty woman taller than Krillin is impressed by him? Krillin the guy who has no job and is mooching off of Roshi? At least Tien has a job, he opened his own dojo with students and everything. Yamcha has a job (frankly he's the smartest guy in the series for what kind of job he got). Goku and Vegeta are fucking bums just like Krillin, but they're better looking and strong so their women don't mind. 18 is impressed by a weak jobless loser? Waifu shit up the ass. Krillin is trash. The only reason he gets presented so well is the magic of bad writing.

we may not get celshading right away but steps are being taken to stretch how we use 3d animation.

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I just realized something
>Yamcha helped in the Cell Saga
>He almost died to butt babies an an old man with Hammer pants

>Tien helped in the Cell saga
>Almost died using his own attack and also got BTFO to Cell's booty kids

>Krillin had a chance to end this saga and didn't for some coochie and basically killing Goku and thousands of innocents
>Got a beautiful wife and a cute kid

Nah, same here. Hate that faggot. Tien is a cooler bald guy and Yamcha was Goku's real first rival.

Only reason Toriyama gave that asshole more screen time is because Krillin is by the far the easiest to draw. Tori is a notorious lazy fuck.

>Super spends episodes giving certain characters cool power ups
>Excited about this
>Tien episode comes around
>Shitted on

I really hate I invested so much into Tien as a child and want more than what we got from the character....

There won't be any costume DLC for DBZF, "b-but everyone is jew!" nope, the cost of one alt costume would be almost equivalent of a whole new character. The process cannot be automatized, they work frame by frame adjusting even shading. The only thing you can expect is colors.

Xenoverse is ugly as sin, holy fuck. Good thing they finally got good artists to work on a DBZ game.

Casual reminder that Dimps could be inserting Heroes content into Xenoverse

Why is dimps so awful at what they do?

Do you really want this shit in your games bro?

RWBY's big flaw was always it's writing. For most of it, the modellers, animators and voice artists were taking shortcuts but still making something good, but the writers were really phoning it in and just making a bog-standard fighting show. Presumably, that led to everyone else getting slowly demotivated too.

Unless you mean the art, in which case, they just never got better. Good lord their lighting engine is garbage.

>Tien who would nuke him so hard that it would be impossible to revive him

Krillin got the old nameks power up boost, he is probably 10x as strong as Tien.