Let's take a moment to laugh at pathetic Britbongs who'll remain in the EU

Let's take a moment to laugh at pathetic Britbongs who'll remain in the EU

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We are still leaving.

The MPs are having a vote. Conservatives hold a 15 seat majority. That means it's getting passed.

The only thing is, the House of Lords will veto it. There will be riots and a new general election. Then we leave.

Just takes a bit longer.

>France forever in the EU and selling their Miltary to Germany.
Cucks

I saw a graph on brit/pol/ that said the majority of Parliament was pro-Remain though

I am just a simple buffoon American so I do not understand completely how your parliament works but isn't that a bad thing? Either way I hope you guys go through with it. The day Brexit won I felt like the tide was finally turning and it gave me hope in my country as well, which I thought was lost to spics and nigs.

>implying germany is not occupied by the allies and has its own military

The majority are pro-remain, but kost have said they will respect the peoples vote and vote to leave.

Conservatives hold a 15 seat majority. The Whip will most likely sort that out, even if not it's still a certainty it will pass.

The problem is the House of Lords, who are unelected People who have been given titles of Lords by the Queen, people like Lord Alan Sugar (A rich celebrity) and and people given titles of Lords with no politics or haven't been elected. They get to say of laws pass in our country, once parliament votes in a law, it must pass through the House of Lords. The Lords have said they will not pass in a massive Majority.

It's not happening.

The decision is being appealed in the Supreme Cpurt in December by 11 Supreme Court Justices. That is our last chance.

If it doesn't get passed, they will have an early election. Conservatives are guaranteed to win. So it's just a shit in the face for democracy.

REKTXIT

Your military is weak and you are capped at what you can have.

That's why you are trying to join Militaries of Europe together. Look at the EU Army proposals from Germany.

Secondly, you are the strongest economically and have kne of the weakest Militaries in Europe.

They're not going to vote against it because if they do they'll lose their job next election.
We don't use some retarded PR system, so the MPs will actually lose their seats, they can't just cosy up to the party officials and keep their job next election.

Fortunately the Lords have no real power and the Commons will simply veto it, which will cause a load of drama but in the end it will pass.

It's a perfect example of why referendums aren't a good idea for getting things done.
Hobbes wrote about this very thing in Leviathan over 300 years ago.

Yes, but this means it'll take forever now.

May(be) never wanted Brexit, that's why she didn't enact 50 right off. The Tories are happy with this result.

Referndums are good on big issues.
The difference is this Referendum made by Cameron is advisery, meaning it's advice and not legally binding.

The Swiss run their Governmemt on Referendums and it works their.

The opposition has completely fucking imploded in this country.

Worst case scenario if she can't crack out the whips for article 50 then she'll go to the country.

But even the Shadow opposition came out and said they'd vote for a Substantive Motion if one was put forward and I think Corbyn (opposition leader) is a closet leave.

>The Swiss run their Governmemt on Referendums and it works their.

The Swiss are also very different people to the British and the way their Cantons are organised its almost self rule with a weak central state that can bring nything to a referendum.

I like the idea for referendums but only for major consitutional questions.

>Referndums are good on big issues.
And what happens, as is happening now, when the referendum goes against the wishes of the government? They weasel about, try to put it off, try to water it down, try to botch it up so they can say "oh well, look how terrible it is now, looks like we better go back".

>The difference is this Referendum made by Cameron is advisery, meaning it's advice and not legally binding.
This is a meme argument of semantics, in the UK constitution there is no mechanism for a "legally binding" referendum such as this. Never the less it doesn't mean that they won't "pretend" to go through with it eg.
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>The Swiss run their Governmemt on Referendums and it works their.
Maybe, maybe not. As far as I'm aware they haven't voted so strongly against the wishes of their government and a few times their government has continued on regardless.

The proper way to get things changed is to elect a government that actually wants to make that change.

>I like the idea for referendums but only for major consitutional questions.
How do you make a government or a whole parliament that doesn't want to make that constitutional change actually go through with it?

>How do you make a government or a whole parliament that doesn't want to make that constitutional change actually go through with it?

By returning to the base system of local representation; the issue with Parliamentary democracy in this country is career politicians running on National platforms.

Party sponsorship of MPs' need scrapping.

so how's that democracy workin out for ya?

they wont remain in the eu -_- you people party to soon.

Return Normandy to their rightful owners (us)

>By returning to the base system of local representation
So you mean by electing MPs who actually want to make the change?

You're correct about party shit - we've got parties pretending we're using PR.
In the last election it was framed as voting for Cameron of Miliband. Only people in their constituencies were voting for them.

The arguement is that we ignore the referendum. The judges said it's because we were taken into the EU by Parliament, we must exit through Parliament. Nothing to do with scrapping the eesult of the Referendum. .

It's not a meme arguement. It's fact. Though it is a stupid arguement and irrelevant as the people have spoken.

Simple, when the next election comes around, people don't vote for them. They are forced to leave and that's what they fear. They will implement it not for the will of the people, but to remain in power.

Secondly, even the major opposition to has alreadly said they are voting leave for the people.

I don'twant some twat runking my life for what he thinks is best.

>"W-we will leave!"
>"Any day now..."
>"Ok we won't really leave :)"

cant get more cucked than a britcuck

Normandy is the rightful owner of the British isles, not the contrary

spoon feed me on brexit. Narcissistic american here only keep up with my politic's

>Sweede

You're Leaf tier,mate.

All them Mossulmen fucking your white women.

You Daddy's bum is full of Cum.

Majority are, but it would go against their new party line and their local bodies.

If they vote to the contrary UKIP gets a massive surge in the next election cycle. Main issue is the Lords.

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Sorry but we are the remnants of the Kingdom of Normandy

>The judges said it's because we were taken into the EU by Parliament, we must exit through Parliament
That isn't what the judges said.

>Though it is a stupid arguement and irrelevant as the people have spoken.
So you mean it's a meme argument and it's based off of idiots not understanding how the UK operates.

>They will implement it not for the will of the people, but to remain in power.
What's to stop them half assing it to make it look like a failure? The fact is that you can't force them to do something they so strongly don't want to do. Losing your job years down the line and scoring a nice EU job in return isn't much of a deterrent.

You are its fossilized feces

I can feel the blood of Guillaume running through my veins

You are about to get a taste of Hotel EUfornias democracy my friend

Lads lads lads, lets all calm down.

It has to get through the Supreme Court first.

Is everyone on Sup Forums retarded? May has appealed to the Supreme Court, and even if this is upheld in December then Parliament will just vote it through as Conservatives have a majority, the DUP and a few dozen Labour MP's will also vote it through (Including Corbyn, Umunna and Hilary fucking Benn). Even if the Lords try to reject it max they can do is delay it for one year and then it jsut passes. They are just delaying the inevitable.

Worse case scenario some Tory MP's rebel and they don't have enough votes to pass it through, then there's a snap general election and considering the Tories have been consistently like 15% above Labour they will just deselect the remainer MP's and steamroll ahead not only with Article 50 but with every single fucking law they want to pass with a massive majority.

Either way we win.

>Supreme Court
Is a meme organisation put in place less than 10 years ago to help Gordon Brown's political struggle.

Why so much infighting?

It's disgusting that Brexit is being treated as an opinion after a referendum approved by parliament.

I sympathize with your anger, britbongs, and hope things work out

And you think it's a good idea for the EU negotiations to be public knowledge whilst it's happening?
You can be damn sure the EU isn't going to be revealing their hidden cards to the public.
Or is it a good idea for people who don't want to leave the EU to be in charge of leaving the EU.
I'm not sure you fully understand what the situation is.

You're correct that "either way we win" but the victory isn't what you think it is. The victory will end up being half way between EU membership and Norway or even completely throwing it so they can claim "oh well being outside of the EU is such a disaster we better beg to rejoin" if we're not very careful.

Because the government has been ordered to do something it doesn't want to do by the people.

It is what the judges said. Look it up. You are iust lying at this point.

They mightl half arse it. It depends, if they do they know they'll lose to UKIP and they know it.

It's now about wheter we get a fucking Brexit in theory,or actual Brexit. We'll just have to wait a few years and see.

Nobody is allowed to leave. We will prove it to the rest. The EU is fundamentally anti democratic

>So you mean by electing MPs who actually want to make the change?


Yeah it somewhat negates the demand for referendums if the Members are actually representative; it will never happen but the best situation hypothetically is the abolition of party politics, STV introduced for each constituency.

And we return to the days of Walpole when the Queen appoints a PM, he appoints his cabinet; and then MPs change which seats they take on which motion the Government proposes, and then if the Government is unpopular they simply call a vote of no confidence and HM appoints a new one.

Fuck you, they're leaving.

>It is what the judges said. Look it up. You are iust lying at this point.
It isn't what the judges said at all, at least not how you are portraying it.

>STV
Using proportional voting completely negates anything you gain by getting rid of party politics, something which I agree with.

We need Trump to win, they're trying to put us all back in the box.

>Using proportional voting completely negates anything you gain by getting rid of party politics, something which I agree with.

Single Consituency STV isn't PR; you number the candidates on preference and as candidates drop out of the hustings, your second vote is tranfered.

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T. Crapuad

Honestly if they don't let us leave then probably for the first time I will be genuinely worried about a revolution

I think if those cunts manage to scupper this I'm going full Sup Forumslack and getting my tin-foil hat out.

ALSO FUCK YOU FRANCE YOU FAGGOTS WILL NEVER FISH IN OUR WATERS YOU DIRTY FUCKING BREAD NIGGERS YOU FUCKS WISH YOU COULD BE SO GOOD BUT YOU DILUTED YOUR BLOOD WITH MOOR BLOOD YOU FUCKING JERRYBAGS

It is what the judges said. It's almost word for word what they said. As I said, you are just lying now.

Brexit isn't happening, deal with it.

Labour won't vote to leave until the Governmemt gives up their hand, by that stage, once they have shown their hand the EU won't gjve them what they want because they know it all.

There will never be a revolution in Great Britain that isn't orchastrated somewhatfrom the top down.

you will never see armed spontaneous uprisings.

That's not french.

There have been a few

Watt, Pilgrimage of grace, multiple Cornish rebellions, Peterloo, even the miners strike could be seen as an uprising etc

Yes, I worded that wrong. What I mean is that you're still removing the accountability you gain by getting rid of party politics and replacing it with the same ~kind of accountability you get with PR namely politicians that no one may have chose (as #1) becoming a representative.
And you're doubling or tripling or whatever the number of politicians.

What the judges had to say was about "muh citizens rights" not "only the body that created it can destroy it".

I have bad news for all you eurofaggots: you are sll staying in. There is no escape.

>pay to play
we're on the same board, right?

Pilgramage of grace was led Aske and press ganged Nobility into service; the Cornish rebellion was led by an influential preacher with the support of nobility; Peterloo was a Radical demonstration turned sauer; and the miners strikes were orchestrated by the TUC.

You never have spontaneous uprising like you did in the US or France.

STV is nothing to do with proportional votes though; single member STV is simply first past the post but you number the candidates on your prefrence.

It's first past the post, then +second preference for a second candidate and etc.
Runs into the same problem of potentially having representatives that no one actually chose as their first option.

No it isn't, that PR pal.

Single transferable vote is simply the same system, one candidate in one consituency, but you number your candidates based on preference; if your first candidate gets under 50% then your vote goes to the second and so on.

Lol Pierre you've got a socialist man let president.

In that case I've misunderstood STV. I was under the impression that STV had multiple seats per constituency.

Not single member STV.

I have never heard of this before.

>Urge our father country to stop getting cucked

>They vote to leave

>Fail because of shitty government

>"lol let's laugh at them for trying XD"

Fuck you, Sup Forums, I'm damn proud of the honest attempt.
God save the queen!

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Parliment is supreme!

You cannot settle a complex issue with a yes/no vote!

The EU has no sovereignty over Britian! Why leave?

Referendums are just suggestions!

REKT