Who is the greatest politician in History?

My vote: Pericles

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Machiavelli.

Even though he wasn't.

Here's mine. Pretty obvious.

redpill me on Pericles, what did he actually do that was so great? aside from generating pithy quotes, which any half-wit political philosopher could have done quite frankly.

Otto von Bismarck, of course

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making Athens great again and developing a winning strategy to win the Peloponnesian War that was promptly ignored after his death and they lost it

>making Athens great again

that's a nifty slogan, but what did he actually DO?

>developing a winning strategy to win the Peloponnesian War that was promptly ignored after his death and they lost it

how do we know it would have actually been a winning strategy then? also, what was his strategy versus the strategy Athens actually ended up employing?

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Pericles is utter shit, wish the Athenians would have trusted Themistocles.

Athens had a bad habit of exiting their heroes once they got bored of them

>but what did he actually DO

He was a great statesman an amazing military leader he built infrastructure magnificant temples the economy culture and literature flourished under his reign.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-century_Athens

I think he would rank pretty high all things considered

Responsible for one of the most important and iconic buildings in the history of western civilization

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenon

that's it? just building a temple for the worship of Athena? that can't be the reason for all this Pericles worship, that seems not very deserving.

He led Athens into a war that completely destroyed her power, lost her empire and handed dominance in Greece over to Sparta. Plus his Funeral Speech in Thucydides is virtually incomprehensible.

>how do we know it would have actually been a winning strategy then? also, what was his strategy versus the strategy Athens actually ended up employing?

His Strat was to avoid all Landbattles with Sparta, abandon the countryside and retreat in Athens behind the Citywall, Athens would be supplied by the Members of the Delian league while their powerful Navy starves the Peloponnes and employs hit and runs against their unprotected lands. The startegy played right into the Spartan weakness with their small army and unruly slave populace and worked great for like 15 years. Athens inflicted the first definitiv lost Battles Sparta had since Thermopylae.
But then they got greedy and invaded Sicily for Bullshit reasons, There Spartans managed to land and deafeated both the Athenian army and Navy with the help of Italian troops

>that's a nifty slogan, but what did he actually DO?

Expanded the Delian league and turned Athens into a true Rival of Sparta

You are the best English teacher-kun

Julius Cesar

>a globalist cunt
A good tactician, but a Jew-tier politician.

Post Persian invasion the Delian League was formed to fight the Persians (basically city states teemed up and pooled resources). Pericles moved the treasury from Delos to Athens and with this new wealth he funded not only a massive navy to protect the League but also funded the art and culture. Under his leadership Athens flourished and people like Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Herodotus, Thucydides, Hippocrates, and Socrates came about due to him literally making Athens great again (it was burned down by the Persians after Thermopylae).
Pericles also proposed the acropolis be rebuilt and built (imo) the most beautiful building in history, the Parthenon at the centre of Athens making it the most beautiful city in the world.
Perhaps the most important reason why I love Pericles though is that he was a political genius. Athenians hated tyrant ever since Draco and if you look at the history of Athenian heroes, men like Themistocles and Miltiades were popular but became too popular and so the people exiled them. Pericles avoided this fate and was beloved by the people being the de-facto ruler despite holding no real power and being one of 10 Strategos. Pericles was a moderate and though he did end up going to war with Sparta things may have been different if he didn't die (he was a superb strategist as well as statesman) of the plague as his main political rival, Cleon was a warmonger and a fool.
Pericles is in many ways the embodiment of western civilization, his funeral oration was the basis for Lincolns Gettysburg address, and the quote above the US supreme court is a direct translation from his speeches. He was given the title 'the first citizen of Athens' and the reason we associate western civilization with Athens is because of everything he did.

This

Napoleon

this is a great response, I can see why he's worthy of the idolization now.

do you study classics at university? or do you just enjoy to learn about this? also are you that brit who is a big fan of enoch powell?

Adolf worked out all the Jewish stuff, including central banks before the internet.

He is a Prophet to us all.

The last German patriot ;_;

yeah, poor dog.
RIP

I did Classics at A level but I do Politics and IR at Uni (with a joint honors in how to make the most of unemployment).
In regards to Enoch Powell I think he used historical context beautifully in his speeches and had some good basis for his arguments but I don't know too much about him other than his rivers of blood speech and view on immigration. He had incredible foresight and it is a shame that not many young Brits know about him. I bet if you asked the majority people under 20 who he was they would be baffled. As for me I shall get myself out of that category by reading up on him m8.

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Yeah this, sent poor Themistocles away and he ended up in fucking cockroach Asia Minor, rip

This.
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Thucydides. Power hunger

Augustus Caesar, he and his dad saved a republic from it's own degeneracy, for another millenium, literally

I remember reading something about Roman infrastructure their waterways ect. And the historians offhandly mention that with all the land they gained in a space of a hundred years, they shouldn't have retained it for so damn long, especially with so many natives prospering and with so much quality infrastructure,and welcoming roman culture so enthusianstically. All of it even one of these things has impressed historians, but these empires never last so long after conquering so much long so fast. IT NEVER HAPPENS. But Rome defied a status quo that has ruled for millenia. It shouldn't have happend, especially since the republic was on it's death knells during all of this. Everyone else would have their empire collapsed within the next 50 years like Alexander's or Khans, ect. It always happens this way. The two things that were different was it was the time for the gospel to be preached to the world, andJulius Caesar showed up

It is the fact that the Athenians didn't exile Pericles but did exile Themistocles and Miltiades that proves Pericles was a superior statesman. The Athenians are like the Americans in their regard of hatred for tyranny but only more so. Every time a political figure was seen as becoming too popular, even if he was the god damn hero of marathon or the man who saved Athens and the man who defeated the king of kings navy no one is exempt and the fact that Pericles was able to overcome the central feed of what is is to be an Athenian, faring tyranny, and become essentially the sole ruler of Athens only consolidates his standing as a politician especially if we then match up this issue with how he turned Athens from a burned out husk the Persians left to THE defining Greek Polis that everyone thinks of when you say 'city state.'
In relation to the general views of Sup Forums, only after his death was the law changed that his son could inherit his wealth because his mother was a foreigner, this law they amended was passed by Pericles HIMSELF who viewed citizenship as a fundamental part of Athens and made it so only truly Athenian Athenians would be able to participate and non citizens couldn't, even if they were the son of the pseudo king of Athens.

Republics are what cucks are most fond of, particularly because cucks act in according to their nature, sharing power as their share women.

> Greatest politician of my country:
Camillo Benso count of Cavour

> Greatest politician:
Tie between Otto von Bismarck and Marcus Ulpius Trajanus

> Greates living politician:
Vaclav Klaus

> Greatest Conqueror:
Tie between Alexander the Great and Gengis Khan

> Greatest political reformer/philosopher:
Thomas Jefferson

> Greatest general:
Subotai, with Napoleon second.

> Greatest leader overall:
Gaius Julius Caesar

> Greatest US president:
Hard one, i'd say either Andrew Jackson or Theodore Roosevelt

His bonus is shit in Civ VI.

Also every Caesar was a good Caesar, but the last Nero hated his own blood. He despised it, he had his friends write and read plays and poems to him about how horrible Julius and Augustus were, about how the Republic was the greates tthing ever, even in it's last moments. He then forced the entire Roman populace to pretend that Italian culture was nothing else than greek culture, a cheap chinese copy, they were nothing else than phonies, that they had nothing from their fathers that was authentic, and then he burned down the citiy his family rebuilt. And then he killed every christian he could find.

He was a literal neckbeard

Nah. He's possibly up there as the best orator, though.

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Wilhelm Friedrich III. would have saved the world from ww1.
It didn't need to end like this.

Caton the Young

Find a single flaw in Caton and I promise I will suck some dudes dick

he was only half black.
*unzip dick*

he was pure blood latin
*cuts your dick in half with my gladio*

latin were black
*deflect your pitiful gladio with my big iron black dick*

Phocion or Cato the younger probably

Adolf Hitler

>> Greatest general:
>Subotai, with Napoleon second.
>not Hanibal, Scipio Africanus or Julius Caesar.

great post, thanks for this bong-user

This. Anyone who disagree is a special snowflake and an edgelord.

th-thanks, have some (you)'s

Claudius, he was a cripple and despised and could only survive on his wits.

Justin Trudeau has a left ideology but as a politician he's doing ok. The world love him and he's the only politician from Canada i know.

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Seriously, keep saying things

This guy
Only plebs choose someone else

Alexander the great.

>he and his dad saved a republic from it's own degeneracy
You're out of your fucking mind
The empire was a joke

Republicfag detected! Truly plebeian.....

Hate to be that guy, but: proofs?

The best politicians are always emperors, dictators, monarchs, and they are all men.

None break this golden rule.