Just gonna drop some spoiler filled explanations of why some of those plotholes in Arrival aren't really plotholes.
>Why not send in a better team from the air, ground or sea? This is the fault of adaption, in the book there's a single gate that they can go through which was removed from the movie likely for time. On top of that.
>Why didn't they send in any other team, like NASA satellites, etc.? The whole shebang was kept pretty heavily underwraps/lock and key because if it got out that this thing was expanding, even a photo it spells global chaos as everyone thinks the world is ending. This is why they didn't send in Seal Team Six or DeltaForceSCP
>Why send in this group/why not turn back? Bossbitch, the one who picked the teams has cancer and would rather die possibly accomplishing something in The Shimmer than die outside and accomplish nothing. This is why she handwaives the psych evals of many of the people onboard and lets Portman's character aboard too. It's also why after they get the video footage, she tries to go ahead on her own. She wants to die. Her reason for it not explaining anything is shitty. Really shitty, and the other characters should have turned back, but they didn't likely because of a team thing.
>Why didn't they sleep in the watchtower? [Spoiler] A few reasons, none of them good but to be fair they didn't know anything was out there but the crocodile. One: It's cold as shit in that tower and they only slept there after the bear attack because they had to. The Gym has more protection from the elements. Two: Having a single guard allows them to act as a canary, even if they carried off and killed. It lets everyone else get time to get away. Three: Nowhere to run if they get fucked.
>>Why not send in a better team from the air, ground or sea? >This is the fault of adaption
So it is a plothole
Nathaniel Russell
I don't like women and i don't respect them i only have sex with them
Elijah Rodriguez
Two of these statements are true.
Parker Clark
Show me your genitals
Juan Wood
Yeah, but to be fair the film never states they didn't try. [Spoiler]it is entirely possible that they had tries, but those boats just dissapeared due to mutated sharks [/spoiler]
A lot of stuff comes from the movie not having any time for throwaway lines that would sound forced like that. Its already long AF
Logan Johnson
I didn't think there were any plot holes in the movie. It was great.
Logan Hall
Glad im not the only one. Tv rips shit apart so I'd say this faired pretty well
Easton Russell
I keep saying this, but Annihilation is not only the best pleb filter of the year so far, it's also a perfectly calibrated brainlet detector. People shitting on this movie legit didn't understand it and/or didn't watch it.
Bentley Long
There's a great post on the reddit discussion of a guy who bemoans the fact that they say stuff like "there's an sd card in this plastic bag but misses the entire point of Portman and her husband's relationship, which is told without .
Logan Hall
they could go by air and parachute near the lighthouse
Xavier White
Told without words
Brody Carter
i hate that they wasted time coming up with the biologist having an affair, the angry latina being a lesbian and cancerlady talking in slow motion instead of explaining some basic stuff about future expeditions and how the border of area x works.
also the scene where they wake up with no memory of the last 3 days and the discussion about the lighthouse at the watchtower seem to implicate, that some content involving hypnosis was cut.
Elijah Thomas
The movie could also easily be 2h15 Its length is that of a flick.
Easton Adams
[Spoiler] Weren't there large sharp pillars of crystal around there? [/spoiler]
Also they can't see shit as to where the lighthouse is from the outside, plus they mention space and time are not the same the same in the shimmer so they could end up very far .
Nolan Murphy
the shimmer is 3 years old. nasa worldwind started in 2004 and im sure the us military has like maps and shit of the country theyre paid to protect.
Eli Hill
ACTUALLY I HAVE A BETTER ONE IF THEY WERE DROPPED IN HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY GETTING OUT?
>A few reasons, none of them good but to be fair they didn't know anything was out there but the crocodile. One: It's cold as shit in that tower and they only slept there after the bear attack because they had to. The Gym has more protection from the elements. Two: Having a single guard allows them to act as a canary, even if they carried off and killed. It lets everyone else get time to get away. Three: Nowhere to run if they get fucked. Literally everything about this post is wrong. Let's start with the first part > It's cold as shit in that tower Where is it ever expressed that it's cold in the Shimmer? They are in fucking Florida you retard, it's hot and humid and the characters are constantly seen sweating and taking off their jackets. Florida, during the summer, at night, is fucking miserably hot. > they only slept there after the bear attack because they had to THEY HADN'T EVEN ENCOUNTERED THE BEAR YET YOU FUCKING IMBECILE. They got attacked by an alligator. They slept in the tower because it's an advantageous position that can see the surroundings. The bear attack interrupted their sleep >The Gym has more protection from the elements. The weather is never even shown to be a factor in the Shimmer you mong. >Having a single guard allows them to act as a canary, even if they carried off and killed Are you seriously implying they were intentionally using themselves as live bait? Surely you jest user, surely you are trolling right now. You aren't this retarded. >Nowhere to run if they get fucked. What the fuck are you even arguing here? Your entire post sounds like you're arguing with yourself. In conclusion, I really want you to think long and hard about killing yourself my man, you might have schizophrenia or BPD.
Gavin Gomez
Is this a one of those "shill raids" i've been hearing about? This movie is fucking retarded regardless of gender. It is pretty, but fucking retarded.
Leo James
Why didn't they have flashlights? It seemed a silly thing to forget to have.
Bentley Evans
You didnt even see it, you read a plot synopsis
John Collins
They did. You see them using them every once and a while.
Samuel Young
jetpacks
Caleb Clark
t. didn't see the movie
Moreover, you didn't even see the video to go with the bullshit audio you posted. So what do you think your "ebin" link proves?
Ethan Foster
did you watch the movie
Asher White
>implying anyone gives a shit about muh strong womyn special forces investigating aliums and shit
Jackson Hughes
Did they? I saw the lamps, but like the scene with the bears initial attack, outside of portman using the night vision goggles, they were just wandering around going "wait what? from where?" without flashing them out.
Carter Martinez
Right back at you. The night after the attack the next scene is in the tower, with all their gear so they clearly spent the night there post-attack.
Sorry you forgot a crucial detail and missed the part where I said "after the bear attack" so speaking of arguing w/ yourself...
Luis Cook
what's the point? this is just another dumb movie pretending to be smart like Inception, Interstellar, Prometheus/Alien: Covenant, and countless others lately. any sci-fi plot where the conflict arises from something the protagonist chooses to engage with is bound to fail because they'll always come off as incompetent. the patrician way to write sci-fi is have a competent character become involuntarily thrust into the point of conflict and use cunning to escape or survive ever-evolving threats.
Annihilation is like Predator: Estrogen Edition, but it fails because of what I mention above. Arnie's team in Predator are in the jungle investigating something seemingly unrelated, but inadvertently become the target of an advanced alien and have to survive. Lena and the cast of Annihilation on the other hand are presumably aware enough to understand the threat of the shimmer, yet are grossly underequipped and ill prepared to challenge anything they face in it. It's a shitty horror movie.
Nathan Reed
:)
Eli Perry
t. didn't watch the movie
James Baker
Why would they use flashlight to reveal their position? Granted the lamp at the guardpost did just that but pulling a light in that situation seems like a panic response. Decent point though.
That's a single (you)
Christian Morris
The Latina was cute
Brayden Anderson
>coming up with the biologist having an affair, the angry latina being a lesbian and cancerlady talking in slow motion
You hated character building in a movie about characters. I think you wanted a different movie.
Jayden Bennett
I watched it. I nearly turned it off then deleted it. I wish I had stopped now. Everything was 110% fucktarded when it comes to anything with plot or military involvement. It is like these people consulted magic 8 ball for military decisions & planning.
>tower scene
I think the worst part about that scene was the fact that the person on "watch" had a blazing light in their eyes the entire time. I'm surprised they didn't have her wearing ear buds and listening to loud music.
A lot of bad writing is made through character's lack of communication to set up drama situations.
>pretending to be smart
I really don't see it trying to be smart in any regard.
There is enough butthurt here for me to make an "Annihilation for nitpickers' video for CollegeHumor, thanks guys!
Camden Wood
They are not military the group was picked because they were civilians. Don't expect them to make military decisions, even if they have training.
Jordan Cruz
>Reeeeeeee why did they have women in the film? I hate women.
Jackson Hughes
:)
Zachary Roberts
you're missing the point bro This flick is literally Stalker for art thots who thinks it's smart and deep to turn hard sci-fi into metaphorical vehicle to talk about feminine issues such as illness and failed relationships. At least they spare us some starchild birth at the end...
Joshua Harris
the soundtrack is god tier
Xavier Lewis
A lot of the complaints are literally "why didn't the eagles fly them to mount doom" tier complaints. Basically brainlets who got so hung up on an insignificant detail that they missed the point of the film. And trolls who just want to nitpick for the sake of it.
I did though? I wanted to enjoy it but there's so much plot contrivance justified on the back of twists flimsier than a soft shit. The similarities to Predator were immediately evident (team of specialists in the jungle fighting an unknown enemy) yet Predator manages to be a more interesting movie because we learn about the enemy with the characters. When the plot gets going in Annihilation, the shimmer has been studied for several years(?) and nothing is known? how does that make any sense? it's a bit much to suspend one's disbelief that an evidently well-funded government black ops project with numerous researchers, soldiers, and beauracrats have been at the edge of an alien anomaly and they still know little enough to send people with nothing more than army fatigues and M-16s in thinking anything will be accomplished. if Lena's crew was the first, maybe this was permissable. the plot establishes this thing has been observed for YEARS. hell, CERN found the higgs boson in less time.
Sebastian Barnes
>Wahhh why isn't everyone agreeing with meee
Gavin Parker
:)
Hunter Jones
what specifically did that add to the movie?
Ryan Powell
this is pretty ignorant. I'm a tranny, lean heavily towards being a commie, and find women to be generally much more intelligent and inspiring to be around than men. but if insulting me with baseless assumptions helps to convince you that you've somehow refuted my criticism of this film, then more power to you? I only replied to this thread to meet the OP's passionate defense of this film with equivalent passion in the opposite direction.
Eli Campbell
I liked this movie.
Christopher Ramirez
Characterization? Hello?
Parker Moore
>The similarities to Predator were immediately evident (team of specialists in the jungle fighting an unknown enemy) They're not sent in to "fight" anything, and at no point are they ever in a jungle. >When the plot gets going in Annihilation, the shimmer has been studied for several years(?) and nothing is known? how does that make any sense? Are you sure you watched the movie? >the plot establishes this thing has been observed for YEARS. hell, CERN found the higgs boson in less time. Yes, because at CERN they could study things, run experiments, and most importantly, SHARE INFORMATION WITH OTHERS. Can't do that once you enter Area X. Their only hope of learning anything at all about what was inside is if someone came back with info, samples, etc. It's really not that hard to figure out.
William Carter
The whole point of the movie and the reason Lena went in was because of the affair. Did you even watch it?
Caleb Harris
>someone gotta guard at the base of the tower at night >stupid woman has bright light next to her and cant see shit in the darkness
You're comparing this movie to Predator because you wanted it to be an action movie like Predator but got something else. Now you're upset. I understand. I would be upset too if I went in expecting guns blazing alien shooting and got a character movie about a damaged person told using the shimmer as a background.
Connor Edwards
This movie really is a pleb filter.
Joseph Gray
i don't like thing >reeee you don't like women
this is wrong, here's why *posts link* >virgin, go make another post about soy
i have responded with calm and without insults to every post >TRIGGERED take your fragile masculinity elsewhere
i don't like lies >brainlet, im going to put everyone in the same bag and make it look as if you are in the wrong
:)
Gavin Turner
>They're not sent in to "fight" anything, and at no point are they ever in a jungle. >all characters armed with M-16s, sidearms, and other tactical ordnance yeah they were going into the shimmer to hug the trees >are you sure you watched the movie? can you stop asking this fucking question in place of actually proving me wrong? >SHARE INFORMATION WITH OTHERS this is the part of the movie that I'm criticising though, as the script just kind of hand-waves for any real explanation about why they don't know more. I know it's a certain level of autism to expect them to have people walk in with tethers, or methods of data collection that don't get scrambled, or yknow, ANY level of trial and error after how long the FOB was implied to have been there, but it's just incompetence on top of incompetence. I get that this is a character piece, not some heady sci-fi flick, but then why abuse all the sci-fi set dressing? why even bother with the half-assed deployment of scientific jargon? why start the movie with middle-school tier biology in a grad school classroom? these are insultingly stupid choices to make for a movie that leverages its characters against a setting about exploring something alien.
Landon Turner
Why do you keep responding to your own thread as if you're someone else? I keep seeing this in these Annihilation shill threads
Gavin Perez
Explain to me why this movie is good and innovative.
Leo Garcia
>why start the movie with middle-school tier biology in a grad school classroom? THIS basic 3rd grade biology, for college students?! WTH At this point I knew the whole movie was shit.
Jonathan Hernandez
>"It's a movie for smart people" >starts with main character telling the audience what a cell is
fucking lol
Brayden Bell
no, I'm complaining that both movies use sci-fi as a theme to tell a non-sci-fi story. Predator works because it doesn't condescend to its audience with half-assed justification for plot contrivance, and Annihilation does, just like you're doing now to avoid addressing me as an equal in an attempt to "win" an argument instead of enjoying a friendly discussion
Zachary Myers
>96059940 No one ever claimed it's a movie for smart people. Nice projection. Maybe it was too smart for you.
>pulling a light in that situation seems like a panic response retard, one of their party is getting eaten by a fucking unknown creature and you don't think they should have shown light on it so they could fucking shoot?
Lincoln Williams
Why didn't they take a highspeed boat from the ocean and go straight to the lighthouse?
Answer me this. Why didn't they just nuke the Predator from the air? Predator was a bad movie. It had too many plot holes.
James Bennett
Why didn't they send in an entire army and fight the aliens? This movie sucks. Battle for L.A. is better.
Juan Wood
they had no idea wtf was going on, officially it was a rescue mission not a ayy Search and Destroy mission.
Jayden Robinson
WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST FLY INTO THE SHIMMER AT THE SPEED OF SOUND ON A STEALTH PLANE AND DROP A NUKE AT THE LIGHTHOUSE? HURRRR
Elijah Wright
>Why didn't they send in an entire army and fight the aliens? would have made a more interesting movie than what we got in the end. showing all things fail and every plan they try is a billion times more interesting than watching some niggerfucker slut and her mutt crew getting eaten by cgi animals
Chase Howard
Why didn't they search and scan the area and make sure there weren't alien life forms first? Why didn't they send the whole army and not just a few guys. You can pick any movie apart if you're autistic and don't have the intelligence to fill in the gaps.
Jacob Rodriguez
the shimmer was cancer
Charles Watson
The Sup Forumscuck shows himself.
Aiden Hill
Really liked some aspects of the movie, should i bother reading the book?
I enjoyed the shimmer's atmosphere, looking for more of that instead of the pseudo muh tragic events change us we are programmed to self-destruct bcuz biology xddd
Jeremiah Torres
Why didn't they nuke it? Simple: they didn't want to destroy it, they wanted to study it. Brainlets, I swear.
>Why didn't they search and scan the area thats what Arnolds team was actually doing, thats what they were there for: >search and rescue survivors of shot down huey >destroy rebels and their camp
>make sure there weren't alien life forms first? nobody knew the Predator was even there
>Why didn't they send the whole army and not just a few guys. because the rebels were on the other side of the border where US troops weren't allowed for political reasons
>You can pick any movie apart if you're autistic and don't have the intelligence to fill in the gaps. and in some movies like Turdhillation these gaps are just too big to fill
I thought one of the producers was crazy when he said this movie might be too intelligent for some audiences. Reading these threads I can see why he thought that. This movie does weed out people with no intelligence.
James Robinson
you're too dumb to understand fucking Predator
>We're a rescue team, not assassins. Now, what we gotta do? >That cabinet minister is important to our scope of operations. A couple of our friends are about to get squeezed and we can't let that happen. We need the best. That's why you're here. >Go on. >Simple setup. One-day operation. We pick up their trail at the chopper, grab those hostages, and bounce back.
Leo Flores
>the script just kind of hand-waves for any real explanation about why they don't know more.
1) no one has ever come back 2) all radio and other transmission equipment is fucked inside the shimmer 3) your body barely generates enough electricity to power your brain enough to post on Sup Forums
Parker Murphy
He's not too dumb to understand predator he is clearly doing satire posts because a bunch of retards make posts very similar about annihilation, acting as if something doesn't make sense when it was either already explained or they were just too stupid.
Not even that guy but the fact you couldn't tell this posts were satire is actually hilarious.
Alexander Garcia
>to talk about feminine issues such as illness and failed relationships.
They aren't really talking about them though. They give the ultimate excuse: "Were all just kinda self destructive for no reason. There's no helping it, we're innocent and have no control nor responsibility over our own actions and choices."
Can't really recall which -ism that statements fits like a glove...
Carson Nelson
>walk into the shimmer >suddenly have flashback where I am riding a huge nigger dick >suddenly come back to my senses and I'm lost in the woods and apparently here since 4 days
wtf? so the shimmer blocks your brain out by broadcasting interracial sex memorys into your brain?
yes yes, I also heard these lines in the movie. my problem with this explanation is that this is like journalists that interview someone and never ask the follow up question. they had several years to figure out how to get information out of the shimmer. they had the funding, resources, and manpower to deduce how best to go about that. you're telling me a professional government operation's best idea to examine an anomalous dome in Florida was >fuggin, I dunno, just send more people walking straight into it without hazmat protection, tethering, easy escape routes, or anything and once again, you only insult yourself by belittling me. fancy that, user would rather talk shit to a stranger than humor the idea that a movie they liked had no flaws. why that kind of blind loyalty reminds me of a different kind of user we see around Sup Forums these days...
Anthony Clark
I really enjoyed it, the sets were great, the cgi was fantastic for the most part, the setting felt different, the story was good, the last third was really great, hugely creepy moments like the bear skull thing parroting that dead girls screams, the whole end face off with the ayylmao was great a solid 8/10 for me.
Oliver Parker
He actually probably didn't even watch Predator because he's a fucking soyboy wimp like you
Why are you even in thjs thread if yoh hate the film faggot ? Post your jewjaks elsewhere faggot
Gavin Price
because the movie was shit, annihilation is typical dumb nigflix dreck
Isaiah Peterson
you must have misread or misunderstood my original post. this is why the plot in Annihilation is inherently flawed. in Predator, the unknown quantity seeks out the protagonists. In Annihilation, the protagonists seek out the unknown quantity. Think about it like this, there's two ways to tell a story; >a person crosses at a crosswalk and is tragically struck by a car >a person walks onto a highway to learn more about cars in the first example, the person is unaware of any implicit danger. in the second, the person knowingly enters a dangerous situation. which person seems more irrationally stupid to you? how much more stupid would it be if the person who walked onto the busy highway saw dozens of people walk onto the highway and become roadkill before deciding that they also step onto the highway? do you understand the problem now?
Luke Wilson
>Why are you even in thjs thread if yoh hate the film
it's a thread about plotholes, not your safe space
Jack Nelson
It must have been painful to purposefully seek out that image in an attempt to insult me, I'm sorry user
