What if they bring back the freedom fighters as characters, but with different roles...

What if they bring back the freedom fighters as characters, but with different roles. Like does Sally need to be a princess?

I would if prefer she wasnt. The idea of Sonic taking orders was already outlandish enough, but that he did so from roaylaty was just ridiculous even for a series about anthropomorphic animals fighting a guerrilla war against an egg shaped man.

Bring back the Freedom Fighters as villains

Just let them rest in peace already. They've suffered enough under Archie's pen so many reboots, ret-cons, and character-assassinations.

I always hated her beign a princess. it was obviously "because Mario did it"

The Freedom Fighters are -literally- the best written, most likable characters in the whole Sonic franchise.

They've all had characters arcs, growth and levels of complexity that no other game characters has achieved.

No....

What about they only bring Sally but is just a normal squirrel called Sally?
I think it would be perfect

Which isn't saying much, to be honest, since Archie's style of writing would throw away all their development and established personality at the drop of a hat.

She actually wasn't, originally. She came from Sega of America's Sonic Bible, where she was just a name given to the squirrel animal friend, the same way the pig was named Porker Lewis etc.

That's why a decidedly non-royal and less furbaitish version of her appears early in Fleetway's Sonic the Comic.

I just think her whole "feisty leader of the rebellion who's also a princess and tsundere for our hero" deal in SatAM was a result of them ripping off Star Wars, like every hack writer did through the 80s and 90s. I mean, for real, they just saw the Death Egg, went "Oh,cool, we can just blatantly crib from Star Wars". And Terminator. Don't forget, T2 was the only other thing in 1991 as big as Sonic.

tbf the chances of Sonic actually listening to what she wanted to to were fifty-fifty at best.

I liked how the reboot framed it, where in the original games Sally was like "Ok Robonik's over there, we gotta" and Sonic just leaves immediately

But that's Ricky. Sally is based off of the squirrels from Green Hill Zone, which are called Rickies, of which the one Sonic knows is also called Ricky.

>Evil AI waifu
>Super powerful cyborg bunny girl
>Tech nerd genius with a nack for deadly weapons
>smug masterclass swordsman who can slice metal like butter
>Machiavellian mastermind runaway princess who wanted to form of own gang

Make it a villain group that uses the Power of Friendship™ and the Power of Teamwork™ against the good guys.

Not full evil, but to the left of Rouge in terms of villainy. They'll steal what they want, fight for a price and cause disorder for fun because at the end of the day they're a bunch of teenage punks, not trying to rule the world. A group with so much 'Freedom' Sonic might like to join them it if he wasn't such a hero.

It'd only work if they were serious threats, not jobbers like Nack or low tier villains. So when they showed up you knew shit was going to go down.

Why a princess? You never hear about president's daughters doing cool stuff.

My personal best case scenario would be to have the Freedom Fighters come back but as another group of heroes separate from Sonic and friends in the same way Team Dark or the Chaotix are. You can still tell whatever stories you want with them but they wouldn't be the main characters anymore nor would Sonic be chained to them all the time. You can keep their designs and personalities the exact same as they were in post-reboot Archie.

The comics did that a lot.

No... nooo

Strangely enough I did consider this as well. My thinking was what if the FF somehow managed to survive the destruction of the Archie Sonic Universe and came back for revenge, seeing the new universe as a perversion of the natural order. Now that I say it outloud I guess it's a little too Infinite Crisis to be honest.

While I don't agree with the idea of an evil-FF, I really dig those designs.

He's actually right. Flynn made everyone but Rotor fun who was just kind of there. Antoine and Bunny were best couple.

Just don't bring them back at all

why is Sally a princess anyway? because Mario had a princess and Sonic has to do everything Mario does?

Because she represents the good guy kingdom of woodland creatures opposed to Eggman's evil industrial empire. It compliments her position as team leader and strategist and plays off Sonic's rebellious nature.

She's a different kind of tyrant. At least Eggman is self made, what did she do? She was born. Fuck her in the ass.

Sally was a mistake

>Implying she didn't lead a successful rebellion of child soldiers against a man with the magic ability to pull resources out of his ass

She's who MGSV Liquid wishes he could be.

Yeah, but i didn't vote for her, so fuck'er

>That arc where Sonic and Tails throw down because Tails' parents want to try and overthrow the monarchy.
>It culminates in a brawl in the dungeons with all the bad guys commenting on the fight

Poor Flynn. He puts his heart behind Sonic and he's been forced to reboot it how many times now?

also Child Soldiers is NOT a good thing

Pretty sure you could adapt most Archie characters that got PENDERED.
>Shard is the Silver Sonic model seen in a tube in Adventure
>Scourge is an attempt to copy Shadow using the negative energy of the chaos emeralds
>Finitevus is a mummy who got sealed away after going mad with power due to prolonged exposure to the Master Emerald
>Mogul's a casino owner with ties to Eggman who obviously has his own ulterior motives

hey look I found the Redditor

>>Mogul's a casino owner with ties to Eggman who obviously has his own ulterior motives
You mean Breezie

also Breezie is sexy and Mogul... wasn't great.

Eh, just have him be somebody who just lives with this shit cause he's immortal and everyone else will die soon, yet have him fuck up royally whenever he takes action.

>boots, no pants

fucking furries

There's precedent for princesses in Sonic. Just make her a replacement for Elise, princess of a country that Sonic doesn't necessarily swear allegiance too and that he isn't from

What if Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts came back as potential friends?

Only if Fang leads them.

This is so good

Breezie'll end up taking them back

She's missing her open-chest vest.

DO IT
And make them work for Eggman for money and NEVER
Basically mercenaries.
N E V E R redempt them.

What if they don't bring back the Freedom Fighters and instead get to actually do new shit of their own instead of being bogged down with characters neither they nor Sega created?

I like this idea

>Freedom Fighters
>do new shit
You can do both. One is not mutually exclusive from the other.

It's this faggot again

I definitely saw her more as the leader of the freedom fighters, over being an actual princess. I keep forgetting that shes a princess, honestly.

I'd rather them set out on their own after being berated by Robotnik one too many times. I feel like they would be too angry at Sonic for beating and mocking them countless times and for making Robotnik mad at them in the first place to ever try to befriend him.

Hence 'potential', as in they can redeem (or have sonic redeem himself to them). They warm up to Sonic, help him out at the last boss then set out on their own way in the end.

They would have to be stupid. It's not them if they aren't stupid.

It would be real easy to create an expy of Shard, just do the same thing as they originally did and have him be the Metal Sonic that stars in a pseudo-adaptation of the OVA who gets to live at the end instead of die.

Honestly like the show, the SSSSS Squad works best as a Scratch and Grounder thing, with Coconuts off on his own.

Have Coconuts team up with Nack, they seem very similar and would mesh well together. Have Scratch and Grounder get by on their own, working for hire or for Eggman when he gives them another chance.

Would Eggette's name be Yaiko Robotnik?

>Scratch and Grounder constantly try to prove themselves as superior to Orbot and Ccubot, but fail

That's like saying Sally is't Sally if she isn't in love with Sonic.

You can do new spins on old characters. As much as I love the old silly aosth style, it's completely reasonable to do a more serious version. Take IDW's Bebop and Rocksteady

I'd say have them appear stupid, but wise/improved over time under their dumb facade. Not like totally intelligent, just wizened up. Have Scratch play range with Grounder as close-melee and tank.
>Coconuts off on his own
Badnik adventurer? I can get behind that.

Eh, Coconuts would complete the standard Sonic team trio. I know Team Hooligan was an invention of Archie, but Fang meshed pretty well with Bark & Bean, and Mania implies that they are at least associated with each other in universe, if they aren't actively partners.

Too bad she or anybody else didn't seem to see her as the leader. I remember her calling Sonic the leader, but I don't recall him ever giving anyone a order or anything like that. Half the time, Sonic was a torpedo that Sally pointed toward Robotnik, but she never got team leader cred. Always bugged the hell out of me.

>every time an artist drew her with clearly defined titties
Honestly surprised that I'm not a furry.

This idea.

Which begs the question. Why would Eggman dump Scratch and Grounder but keep Orbot and Cubot around?

>"See, the Eggman that occupied parks and stole islands... is gone. He's a sentimental memory of the past. Now he occupies mountain ranges and steals planets."
>"That Metal Sonic fellow gives me shivers, Scratch!"
>"And yet, Amy Rose is creepier."
In short, Eggman separated operative and banter lackeys.

There's been at least a couple times in the show where they help out Sonic for whatever reason even though it goes back to status quo at the end of the episode.

Scratch and Grounder are robots built to capture Sonic but fuck up every time. Orbot and Cubot are more just someone for Eggman to talk to and the only problem they have is Cubot having a faulty voice chip.

You dont vote for monarchs!

That ain't shit compared to how Bunnie transformed from a stocky carebear into a playboy bunny girl in the span of like five issues.

How about revealing Eggman has a brother named Niloc Namgge?

>Sup Forums is a speshul unique snowflake! SPESHUUUUULL

Not that user but you faggots really need to get out of your safety circle. Or at least create your own special Internet language only Sup Forums can use instead of being constantly influenced by outsiders.

ABOLISH THE MONARCHY! EXECUTE SALLY ACORN!

Any attempt to do a Scourge expy or any evil version of Sonic would be a risky move, since Penders would attempt to sue IDW as he claims he owns the rights to "evil Sonic" concept.

I shit you not.

What if we make Nack into Scrouge?

Do we really need another bad Sonic?

Because Orbot and Cubot are actually canon characters.

>Starts with huge legs
>Ends with huge tits

Penders can try, but the concept is way too general and common place for him to get anywhere in court. Penders failed miserably when he tried to sue Sega and Bioware, but he succeeded against Archie because they lost their contracts.

I feel like people don't understand that simply having a case filed against you is a bit of a moneysink. There's no point in even taking the risk.

There's no point in being afraid of some idiot who you beat in court before with ease. If Ken tried to sue over a new Evil Sonic IDW created, Sega and IDW will just point to when he tried to sue over the Sonic Chronicles Echidnas and he flat out lost. Ken has more time and money to lose than Sega.

What said. Just by suing them, Penders would damage IDW's good graces with SEGA as the legal issues with past authors are what caused SEGA to pull the license from Archie. Ken might claim he is only doing it to "protect content creators' rights" till he is blue in the face, but anyone familiar with that guy knows he's only doing it because he is a spiteful fuck still butthurt that editors didn't let him call all the shots, and butthurt that no other company wants to hire him.

Seriously, who in their right mind would hire a guy who not only has a lengthy history of refusing to be a team player and never acknowledging his colleagues' contributions to the project, but would also sue your company at the drop of a hat?

Law doesn't work that way. They're still going to have to pay lawyers and have an initial hearing. They don't just get to say "no," money will be spent.

Again, it's not fucking worth it. You'd be insane to bother with a concept as boring and generic as "evil Sonic" when the games have already churned out like half a dozen of those and you risk losing at least a few thousand dollars. There's no point.

But... with elective monarchy, you do.

Shut up, Hamlin.

>Again, it's not fucking worth it. You'd be insane to bother with a concept as boring and generic as "evil Sonic" when the games have already churned out like half a dozen of those and you risk losing at least a few thousand dollars. There's no point.

And yet Ken would gladly sue because he's not the one paying for the costs; his wife is.

That's not the point and I'm starting to think you're being obtuse on purpose.

IDW is not going to gamble thousands just to make an Anti-Sonic. They'd have to be complete morons.

Getting sued isn't what tainted the Sega/Archie relationship. Suing Penders for trying to copyright those characters and being so incompetent that they couldn't stop him and instead had to submit to a settlement which later lead to Penders convincing other former writers to try and sue Archie is what pushed the relationship to the point of no return. Companies don't fear any old lawsuit. They get sued all the time and dismiss plenty of chaff. Its lawsuits that actually have grounds that they want to avoid.

Penders has no ground vs. IDW because he's never even worked with them and "evil character" is too general a concept. He has no ground against Sega since he fought them already and lost over a similar thing. I imagine he's still hurting from his own legal expenses since he hasn't gone after anyone for Eggman being his alt universe Robotnik in a different body.

Sega will still have restrictions on what IDW can do, but they've already said they have less restrictions than Archie.

Nah, make them vigilantes with to fit in the more "structured" IDW, Sally is now a senator's daughter.

>Penders tweets about Ian and IDW
Ahahahahaha. So much envy seeping under his skin.

Yeah, it's most likely not going to strain IDW and Sega's relationship if he sues. Much.

You're a moron if you think that it being a case with no ground to stand on somehow means IDW won't have to pay their legal team. More so, what if something goes wrong? What if they get the one judge who says "Okay, I'll hear this out"? Then they're spending even more money.

There is no good reason to take that kind of risk. The fact that his case is shit does not change that they would be burning money for no good reason. "But his case is SHIT!" does not change how law and lawyers work. Please stop acting like this is some risk free situation.

Hey, you know how there's already a canon princess named Blaze?

Fuck Sally and fuck the Freedom Fighters, they'll only make the cast bloat worse.

>Hey, you know how there's already an emerald guardian named Knuckles?
>Fuck Blaze and fuck the new characters, they'll only make the cast bloat worse.
Redundancy of occupation/status is a terrible argument.

I never played any games with Blaze in it. Someone explain her personality and what makes her a princess?

That Princess is in another world and how many times can you write a story about her. She has her own Kingdom and basically Sonic with fire powers. She can't just hop over every time and stay there. You're not thinking this through.

Personally I'd like to see the SSSSS redone as legitimately dangerous "elite" soldiers for Eggman with more threatening designs IE IDW Bebop and Rocksteady. Basically Orbot and Cubot designed for actual battle.

only thing the two characters share is the princess title. They're both completely different after that point

Do you think Penders will try to sell IDW Sonic at comic-con with his signature on it?

>Personality
Emotionally distant tomboy with a guilt/responsibility complex. Bad at socializing but kindly and bashful under her cool facade.

>Princess?
Some people bring it up and it's used to explain her sense of duty. That's it. She's more of a MacGuffin Guardian than anything.

You're acting like IDW are some poorfag publisher. Pretty sure they have the money lying around for dumb lawsuits since you can't prevent them all.

Creating an Evil Sonic isn't the same as using Scourge or any other Pendered character. You can't just claim a basic character archetype like that. If Penders fucks around too much, he runs the risk of countersuing ruining even his wife while whoever he sues just laughs their way to the bank.

Sounds really bland.

Yeah, you're just being obtuse now.

Most companies do not operate like that. They try their best to avoid frivolous lawsuits, not encourage them. They would have to be fucking morons to engage in creating something trite and shitty like an Anti-Sonic that also happens to put them at risk for wasting thousands of dollars.

If they want that sweet hero v dark hero money, they'll just shove Sonic v Shadow and/or Metal on the cover. They have no reason to even attempt making a new Scourge. I'm sorry your fanfic tier husband is dead and buried, but try looking at fucking reality here.

And he makes it every thread.

She's okay.
In execution she's basically one of the only Sanic friends that's actually competent and has an actual character arc.

Kids like her because she has a superform and throws Hadoukens.