Why does the Left defend Islam when it's so contradictory to it's tenets...

Why does the Left defend Islam when it's so contradictory to it's tenets? Islam is extremely conservative and right wing, so why has the modern left taken to defend it? Why doesn't the International conservative defend it instead?

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Because people feel good about themselves for defending the "underdog".

>muh poor oppressed brown people
>muh spooky asian religion Orientalism
>muh "nobody takes their religion seriously where I come from just don't be a dick haha therefore muslims follow the same idea" protections
>muh Palestine

One of the above 4 or a combination of all of them.

Because Marxists fail even at being Marxists or are being accelerationary.


“Islam ostracizes the nation of the unbelievers and creates a state of permanent enemyship between the moslems and the unbelievers.”
— Karl Marx (1818-1883)

Because we can't secularize them if we pigeonhole them into being religious extremists.

because it's a minority religion and powerless

>Islam
>minority
>powerless

You can't securalize them either by patting them constantly on the back. Also you can't really make them secular they have to do that by themselves.

The worst any non-Western group acts, the more the left has to act to defend them. Muslims, like gypsies and blacks, act pretty bad, so they end up being defended by leftists.

It isn't even a Western phenomenom, exclusively. In countries like Nigeria and India, political Islam is also associated with left-wing parties.

Ironically, in the Muslim world leftists are hardcore secularists who hate conservative Islamists.

in the west

idk abu but the more powerless islam in the West is the better desu

>Sjws
>reading marx
pick 1

Because to leftists there are only two groups of people: the oppressed and the oppressors. The oppressors are bad while the oppressed are good.
So since Muslims fall in the oppressed category it is impossible for the leftists to think that a Muslim could be bad.
You can see this "divide" with other groups as well: whites/black, men/women, heterosexual/lgbt etc.

For the left if you fall under any group of people that the think are oppressed then you're immediately considered a saint that can't do any wrong.
This is why leftists ignore that many Muslims dislike homosexuals and treat women quite badly.

Yes goy hehehe birthrate and immigration statistics show them overtaking native european populations in the not too distant future... powerless hehehe

> in the not too distant future
Like in 500 years or so at worse case scenario. Totally point to lose minds now.

>left
>right
Nice memes OP
I recall some French poll in France that showed far-left supporters are more anti-burkini than centre-left supporters

currently they are a minority and powerless which is why liberals are tolerant because neo-liberal capitalism is only tolerant of things it can control

that doesn't mean it can't change

>Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.

This is obviously a bait thread and doesn't belong on this board.

You are painting with a pretty broad paintbrush there

How does it not belong? It's clearly a humanities topic and it raises a perfectly valid question about an obviously real phenomenon.

Why is everything the Sup Forums bogeyman to /his/?

Shartia has been a big failure the last decades tho.

You're barely first world.

You have to go back.

That's the point. Did you even read the quote?

Not an argument

This isn't a Sup Forums bogeyman shit. It's literally a question of politics on a history and humanities board, faggot. Now fuck off.

Oh it's a quote.
Well here in Germany right and left despise Shartia

>and humanities
Bingo

> Please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago.
Can you name one left who defended Islam at least 25 years ago?

Me

The left defends Muslims because of the mechanics it works with.

All people should be treated equally and therefore Muslims can't be excluded from immigrating for being Muslims.

Muslims are a minority now and shouldn't be discriminated because of their beliefs.

Here you have the moral debacle.

>this thread has anything to do with culture, literature, art, music and philosophy, things considered "humanities"

It not only violates the 25 year rule, but it's also explicitly political.

>Left defend Islam
how exactly is this happening except in Sup Forums's fantasy

defend individual people's right to have an acceptable life regardless of beliefs, origin, etc? the right of people who they disagree with to speak their ideas? the right of people to practice any religion they want?

plenty of people do that for reasons that are not "they like that specific thing".

Because their resentiment against white men is what fuels most mainstream leftists as opposed to any sort of ideological, intellectual, or moral reasons.

You forgot "religion"

>my political ideas were shaped by the straw men of stormfags on a chinese cartoon forum

Oh sorry, I did. Is this thread discussing theology?

No it's not. Now stop defending this poor excuse for bait.

Islam doesn't know the difference between political and religious views. It is totalitarian in that is a complete and total way of life. You don't invite a political fifth column unless you want to wreck the host to install gommunism in the wake of crisis and destabilization. The animus the west has against itself manifests as xenophilia as well as self loathing.

But this is a discussion of theology

Left didn't defend Islam, just Muslims.

>Islam doesn't know the difference between political and religious views. It is totalitarian in that is a complete and total way of life.
They said the same thing about puritans. You know, those crazy Christians that had their women cover their hair and show no skin. The ones that had this military leader named Cromwell that usurped the government and tried to set up a Christian Caliphate where stuff like dancing was illegal. Also the people on the Mayflower who genocided the natives. Those people.

and yet some people are against censorship racism and other such things even in this case.

how dare they, it's probably a conspiracy by the juice.

I like the part where GB encouraged them to migrate to the new world. The same way we should encourage Syrian refugees to migrate to KSA instead of Sweden and Dearborn, Michigan.

Kek

America started the shit in the ME. That's why we're sending them to you, Europe.

>modern mainstream left
>marxist

wew lad

Could it be because they have a word for warfare by migration and demography and a hostile paragon? Liberals are considered as enablers by Islamists and it a stark contrast that such a sterile entity invites it's undertaker and replacement.

>America funded rebels in Syria therefore we should now open our borders and bend to the whims of camel fucking primitives
'no'

you don't get it. that is fine. it just means you're stupid.

Naw, 7 years of watching these people operate in academia did it for me. I don't visit Sup Forums and am against white nationalism.

The modern day political movement of the left is nothing more than "ressentiment" given political vigor.

Capitalism is the reason they are allowed here. You are the reason they come here.

Basically cheap Labour for our factories destroying the opportunity of our own youth.

>Corporatism is the reason they are allowed here. You are the reason they come here.
ftfy

>Real capitalism has never been tried

Well, your post is false for the immense majority of leftist parties, and the majority of leftist intellectuals, perhaps with the exception of american postmoderns.

I didn't say that.

Hey Marxists why are you trying to import voters?

It's simple, liberalism would defend their right to preach Islam. Right cucks in the other hand well they can't even tolerate black people, or white people who disagree with them so it's only natural that the left would take the Muslim side.

>look at this dude, he isn't mentally disabled from birth like every Shartian.
>I have to call him words

Sharters gonna shart

I defend Muslim people from discrimination but the religion is shit.

>t.cuck
how about you defend all people from discrimination

First it was America's fault now it's capitalism's fault. >implying any of them come here to do anything but suck the welfare state dry.

Like all Marxists, you're a disingenuous piece of shit.

the vast majority of the left these days don't know what they're talking about, just that everyone else on their campus is left-wing, so they should be, too
the rest is this:

>corporate capitalism is not capitalism
my favourite meme

>islam
>right wing
The infamous Muslims that prefer lawyer's law to legislative regulation (sharia) or those engulfed in millenarism like lefties?


>"The rapid expanse of socialism has been compared to that of Christianity. More appropriate, perhaps, would be a comparison with Islam, which inspired the sons of the desert to lay waste ancient civilizations, cloaked their destructive fury with an ethical ideology and stiffened their courage with rigid fatalism. Thus Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism. Full of pride the Marxist Otto Bauer cries: "In Turkestan and Azerbaijan monuments to Marx stand opposite the mosques, and the Mullah in Persia mingles quotations from Marx with passages from the Koran when he calls the people to the Holy War against European Imperialism." See Otto Bauer, "Marx als Mahnung" in Der Kampf, XVI, 1923, p. 83. "
From pic related.

The more I watch how the left acts in my native Britain in regards to islam the more I am convinced it is because they are scared of what Islam will do if it is allowed to be treated like other religions.

>Corporatism
>the control of a state or organisation by large interest groups

>Capitalism
>an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

YES

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There's defending every religious person's rights to not be discriminated against and there's defending them discriminating against others. Of course we should keep them separate things and never knowingly do the latter, but drawing that line is often tricky and yes some people are bound to do it wrong.

Why do the poor defend capitalism when it's so contradictory to its tenets?

Some of them work already and companies like Mercedes promise to hier them.

Why are you mentally disabled? Is it really genetics or do people in Shartia get poisoned food?

Don't all religion create enemyship between the followers and unbelievers?

Capitalism made them too fat and splice to chimpout like revolutionary LARPers wanted.

I guess if I have had the iq of a Congo nigger I would have lived in a meme world too.

In both case you get unelectable workplace owners, aka. capitalists. In corporatism's case using connections and state power to attain profits and such does not make their system non-capitalist.

I don't see any correlation where there isn't privately owned.

Seems like you just ducked yourself with your pseudo logic.

Not to mention that in his historicist view, islamic nations are objectively more backwards than western ones and fighting islam would be just being "the unconscious tool of history".

>England, it is true, in causing a social revolution in Hindostan, was actuated only by the vilest interests, and was stupid in her manner of enforcing them. But that is not the question. The question is, can mankind fulfil its destiny without a fundamental revolution in the social state of Asia? If not, whatever may have been the crimes of England she was the unconscious tool of history in bringing about that revolution.

Leftists hate power and wealth accumulated through nefarious means. It's OK to be successful, just don't fuck over the rest of the world in your quest to become so.

& humanities was a mistake.

Nope, Christianity says to love everyone and to pray for those who aren't saved. Of course, some people take offense to the notion that they need saving and become hostile to Christianity as a result but that's on them.

By contrast in Islam the world is divided into to "houses" you have the "Dar al Islam" (house of Islam) and the "Dar al Harb " (house of war) whose names speak volumes about the way their inhabitants are viewed by Muslims.

If you think all muslims are out to get you you're retarded.
Why do Sup Forumstards defend christians after what they've done?

>whose names speak volumes about the way their inhabitants are viewed by Muslims.
That they need to be saved, even if that means the faithful need to wage war to save the souls of the unfaithful.

Really makes you think.

>we behead you to save you kuffir

It's more
>get your soul saved or we behead you

...is this supposed to prove me wrong?

No, I'm just busy being Asian laughing at your ironies.

And many a smog filled lungs to you too

Most of it is born from post-9/11 and post-Iraq War sentiment. A lot of it is simply "fuck you dad" backlash against Bush and the neocons.

One is because they're not defending Islam, they're defending Muslims. Leftism in general disdains organized religion. Secondly, because you associate leftism with retarded 20-something SJWs and think their contradictory rhetoric is something all leftists believe.

I know sjws who have read marx. they just don't get it

>be hardcore lefty
>be american exceptionalist, western supremacist, a bit racist
None of my friends like talking politics with me.

I really hate seeing this reposted constantly. Ted wrote it to make a point about socialization and over-socialization being a problem of the industrial system, and that leftists (likely the ones in the counter-cultural movement since he wrote it decades ago) are a great example of this. He didn't write it for edgy teenagers to shitpost about their ideological opposites on the internet.

>implying teddy wouldn't be happy to have his writings proliferated

He'd be happy if people actually read them and understood them, not used by teenage reactionaries to shitpost with. Then again maybe they're doing some good; maybe some of them will read it and gain a deeper understand of the world.

I'm talking about mainstream leftists/ left centrists/antifa/ etc, not actual far left/communist groups. I get that traditional leftists are not ethnomasochists, but I'm not talking about those people.

Bullshit. Leftists hate meritocracy.

The same way the Right defends Christianity >universal religion welcomes all converts. Oh wait, you're a nationalist? Too bad XD.
and Capitalism
>Whats wrong, you hate Globalism? I thought you liked the free market and competition XDD

humanities