What's with all of the hate for Steven Universe?

I really don't get it. It has great art, great writing, great characters, and a complex sense of morality never before seen in a cartoon. So, what's the deal, Sup Forums? Why do you hate it so much?

Can someone explain this to me?

It's loved by many people in the mainstream, including Tumblr, it portrays liberal values ina not negative light.
What else is there to understand?
Why wouldn't Sup Forums hate it?

Must we really have this thread every day?

Jesus Sup Forums always falls for bait.

Normieshow about autists, niggers, landwhales and all kinds of sexual degeneracy.
What the fuck do you expect.

We have this thread every day.

Every single day.

Every single goddamn day, you get a thousand different replies from a thousand different anons explaining why they do not like the show.

What do you conceivably think will be any different with this thread?

Nothing.
user gets a boner when he sees people argue in his thread. By replying here, you are helping the man get off

>great art

We know this is bait, user, but this house of lies cannot stand.

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The delays

Show is full of issues and people aren't getting the pay off they want. There is very little substance to the show so without new info the only thing left to do is bitch

As an /sug/ fag I want you to leave these poor shits alone.
Also left field ideology and made by a woman, what's hard to understand?

I guess I should've said backgrounds instead of general art, because, though I like the characters, their designs leave much to be desired.

Let's just change the subject because this is obviously bait. All the arguments are the same so let's just go to a different topic.

As I said in my other thread.
What gem types do you still want to see in SU?
I'm still hoping for Trinitite, I want nuclear gems.

Because it's shit and full of wasted potentiol.

Its just a meme to hate it at this point

Because it actually started off as good, and then turned into shit. People don't want to give credit where credit's due for the first season, because then they'd be defending a currently-bad show. It works better for arguments if you go ahead and say that it was always bad, that way there's no budge.

I want to see a gem that isn't ugly, shittily animated, and has an actual personality.

It has plenty of reasons to criticize it but the steaming, absolute hatred that you sometimes see on Sup Forums stems either from or more of a hatred of the fanbase than the show itself.

Real question: Where is /sug/?
Damn simulator videos are part of the reason why I came back to this site.

Generals are banned on Sup Forums when a show isn't airing, /sug/ is currently in /trash/. I think it's stupid but the mods are adamant in their enforcement of it.

Ain't nothing complex about SU's morality.

Anyway I bailed because it stopped being funny and Sugar lost the will to follow through on the promises her narrative made.

When was it ever funny?

Every answer will boil down to: It's missed opportunity the show.

Fucking never.
Say Uncle at most. SU is fucking unfunny. There's no jokes at all. full stop. period.

It's gotten a couple laughs before, but it's not a particularly funny show. This is coming from someone who loved season 1. More than anything, I just found it charming.

Were shit posting mostly nothing interesting, sometimes we post porn or drawendo/a drawfriend shows up and makes memery, Sup Forums invades us every week or so to be obnoxious but most just ignore them, we're also sending a little letter to the members of the crew, pic related is one of the pieces.

The hardest I laughed was at this joke from a really early episode
>We just gotta find the right ride. Yeah, the kiddie coaster! Alright, we just roll down this ramp as the carts are coming at us, and the crash will break us free!
>What happens after the bubble pops?
>We'll be free!
Outside of that the comedy's mostly miss for me.

MLP is better

MLP has liberal values, also created by a woman, popular enough to have it's own board on the site

MLP is also banned here, stop bitching, you're not a victim

>MLP has liberal values

>great art

Insert inconsistant model argument here.

>great characters

You mean highly immature or highly idealized characters that we're supposed to feel sorry for or even care about just because the show wants us to?

> a complex sense of morality never before seen in a cartoon

I know it's bait but this is objectively wrong.

The staff is so blatantly lazy about how they execute the show and try to make excuses for it and pass off their laziness as "style". Which is pretty infuriating.

I am a fan, but there is just so much bad things happening and how the show is handeled.
>It could have been great!

The entire show is based on the concept of feminism and a land dominated by females. So, I'd say yeah.

Have you never heard of MLP at all before Friendship is Magic?

Have you been out of the loop for the past two years or something?

>It has great art,
No, its generic calarts

>great writing
No, its has shit plots that are masked by endless, incessant crying in order to make you think drama and character development are happening, when they're not

>Great characters
Generic color scheme and personality characters

>and a complex sense of morality never before seen in a cartoon
And this is officially bait now.

>Sup Forums is conservative
How to spot the newfag.

Ok you got me, I forgot to say G4 or FIM, as if literally anybody cares about the previous gens

>Still using the calarts meme
The art is shit but go fuck yourself.

>implying its not
go be wrong somewhere else

I used to like it, then I hated it, and now I just wish It would die so that the slot that it takes up would be given to someone else to make a show that might actually air once in a while

Calarts is a shit-tier copout meme for people who won't just say that they don't like the character designs of a show. The character designs in SU are shit, just say it faggot.

>a show that might actually air once in a while
That's CN's fault though, not the show's.

Sup Forums likes Steven Universe. Haters are just obnoxiously loud.

It faggot.

Except it follows the same generic, round, simplistic style. Its not a copout if its true.

It's fanbase is shit

People who still like SU need to be shot.

>even in the concept art someone is crying
kek

Look I'm gonna be as clear as fucking possible here.
Calarts was first referenced by fucking John K in criticism of Disney movies towards the end/after the Disney Renaissance, specifically towards "The Emperor's New Groove". That's what Calarts style actually is, not the blobby round bullshit style right now. Sup Forums just started misusing the term for some stupid reason and it stuck, it's a fucking meme. The style is shit but it's not fucking calarts.

there's nothing 'positive' to talk about right now because the show hasn't been on for half a year. Literally the only reason to make SU threads right now is to beat a dead bait horse

I hate it because it's faggy as shit, and I dont enjoy faggy things. Dont know what reason I need besides that one.

It's popular, so that's enough for Sup Forums to hate it. But it's also not traditional in a number of ways that people don't like(see: too much crying) and appeals to groups Sup Forums doesn't like(tumblr), so legitimate flaws get hyped into game breakers.

>great art
I mean. It COULD. But Sugar doesn't push people to be on model with their animation, and even the very best the show has ever accomplished was fucking obliterated by Takafumi Hori's segments. The SU crew seems to like Trigger, but Trigger animators are actually top notch and put them to shame. The SU crew doesn't push for better animation and the art is generally lackluster, and the lack of on model consistency has gotten worse as the seasons have gone on. Less discipline = lazier, worse animation.

>great writing
It's ok. Townie episodes make sense in retrospect since if they just had episodes focusing on Lars it would have been obvious that he was going to be important later on, and that's ok. But the show has never made it apparent that it's character driven rather than plot driven, so people keep bitching about the plot, which hangs at points to allow for townie stuff. Pacing is a major issue even so.

>great characters
I think this actually the show's strongest point. Most of the characters are well rounded and flawed characters with distinct personalities. There are complaints to be made still, but nothing is perfect and the other flaws are much greater imo.

>a complex sense of morality never before seen in a cartoon.
Not...really. At the end of the day the homeworld gems are clearly villains, they just aren't mustache twirlingly evil villains a lot of the time.There is a clear distinction between good and evil and who's on what side.

>you only hate it because it's popular!
the ammount of denial in here is astounding

>implying Rose breaking her own code just to take down PD isn't complex.

>Implying that the Diamonds aren't complex as their plans didn't look like they took ques from Cobra Commander or M. Bison

>Implying it doesn't come from a place of pure evil, but from an obsession with avenging their sister.

>Implying Pearl wnting to constantly fuse with Garnet wasn't also done out of evil, but obsession.

There's Contrarianism, of course.
There's also the obnoxiousness of the fanbase.
There's also people who shut it down in the first half of the first season when it wasn't very good at all.

I don't get the "lol, tumblr" crowd.

Yeah it's kind of dumb.

It has a strange mix of liberal and conservative.

That's called centrism

>first half of the first season when it wasn't very good at all.
the first season was literally the only good part of the show.
don't pretend you know quality because you bandwagoned on after lapis/the return

>It had great art, it had great writing, it had a complex sense of morality.
FTFY.

Sup Forums is just desperate for a new MLP to hate.

The second half of the first season is the good part. Tell me you can watch any episode before "Steven and the Stevens" without cringing at just how awful the title character is.

As someone who likes the show, I can still see where the hate comes from.

While the show's progressive messages are commendable, it suffers from having an outright vile, terrible fanbase that twists those messages into tools of discrimination against those they feel have wronged them somehow (see Zamii and Lauren Zuke controversies). Those individuals then go on to claim that they are the true fans of the show, which makes an outside viewer hate it based on how the fans behave.

Then there's the issue with plenty of plot elements being either sidelined to focus on unnecessary slice of life stories, or being abandoned altogether.

And while the show's animation quality has always varied, it has especially nosedived in the later seasons.

people didn't hate the MLP
people hated its retarded fanbase
SU fanbase is way worse desu

>frybo
>tiger millionare
>coach steven
>giant woman
No, go fuck yourself, bandwagoner.

I just don't like it because I find the characters annoying, especially Steven, who is a combination of Spongebob level annoying/impossible to root for and just being fat and I can't root for fat characters

It's why I hate Doctor Octopuss, he's fat

Several different points of view and opinions. I like the show, but you can't just call it a perfect show at all. Also the fucking hiatusbombs. I can accept if people don't like the show and move on. I don't like MLP and I'm sure it doesn't matter to anyone else. OP making trap threads here.

Did MLP fanbase ever bully someone to the point of that person attempting suicide or send death threats to one of the showrunners?

Did you read his comment?

It would've probably been decent had a man been behind it.

There's a lot of unwarranted hate on Sup Forums for things just because they're popular. Hell, Simon got trolled off of /ic/ because his redlines were popular in the animu threads there. I've seen it time and again so I don't especially trust that anyone on Sup Forums is hating something popular for any reason except to be contrarian faggots.

But go ahead, tell me why you "hate" it. I would wager if you have such a visceral, strong reaction to a fairly innocuous TV show, you have more issues than the show does.

Three of those episodes are considered good for parts that have nothing to do with Steven

It was an honest question. I've been out of the loop with MLP fandom for years.

I see Rebecca Sugar as a challenge, more than anything. Here is a woman who, in every single aspect, is absolutely revolting - yet I can't help but wonder what would be like, to plunge balls-deep into her repeatedly.

That's right. Balls-deep. With no protection.

I won't lie, I'm extraordinarily-hard while typing this. I want to grab this... thing... and that's what Rebeca is, let's not delude ourselves, a "thing"... by the hips and ram mercilessly in and out of her quivering, malformed cunt with the force of a gladiatorial chariot, while she makes stupid faces and contorts orgasmically, unable to control her bodily reactions even if she wanted to.

I would erupt violently inside that corrupt and corrupting womb as though the entire fate of humanity depended on my seed penetrating the foul walls of one of her ovaries, the electrical fusion from this coupling creating the Antichrist, as our combined, guttural, Chewbacca-like roars shattered glass and walls alike around us, the house toppling down while we lay there in a filthy, disgusting mess.

Yeah. I reckon Rebecca Sugar does it for me.

SU fanbase is worse, it's like a mixture of R&M tier stuff of self masturbation mixed with the need to shoehorn their franchise that could only be compared to Undertale and MLP. Add a sprinkle of holier than you progressive bullshit with Tumblr hivemind and you end up with a fandom that is easy to hate.

They aren't as "in your face" as the miniature horse fuckers, nothing will ever get close, but they still find a way to turn unrelated discussions into a platform to talk about it.

Well at least they just wank over how progressive and artistic they are(autistic would be closer given Tumblr art standards but let them have this) instead of Hotgluing miniature horses plastic figurines in broad daylight and fucking with tulpamancy.

goalposts

Garnet was fucking hilarious in the first season. Pic related is the only time in recent seasons a Garnet joke has landed.

>in 10+ years we will have anons asking "what happened to all the good cartoons like Steven Universe?"

I can't find the tweet or the article relating to it on EqD since it's been so long, but back in the "dark age" when Twilicorn/EqG tore apart the fandom, a few months before the first EqG movie was released in theaters, Meghan McCarthy tweeted that she recieved death threats from the fandom for this "Heresy" (which, looking at it nowadays, is pretty hilarious considering they've become rather found of it.) while referencing the "Han Solo shoots the control panel" scene from Star Wars: Episode IV. So yeah, they actually have.

(if an user can find the tweet that I mentioned, that'd be great)

She's probably mediocre in bed

>SU is supposedly a very popular show
>CN literally never airs it

That makes the age old question.

Is the worse fandom one that has a few that commit felonies because of their fandom? Or one that has many obnoxious members that don't do anything nearly as awful?

The entire fanbase started because people hated mlp.

CN is using the lack of SU airings to starve the fandom, so they'll eat up whatever little they give them.

"Here's your bomb, see you in 6 months."

App viewership, cartoon network is seriously pushing the multi platform shtick have been for a while, hell there's even a boomerang app now.

The first season fooled people into thinking it was going somewhere. We're on season 4 and not much has happened since jailbreak.

This, it was good bait though.

It looks like season 5 might actually go somewhere once CN airs it in 2525. If man is still alive.
For real though season 4 was such shit.

A good and shy traditional Jewish girl? Nah, Sugar is prolly a feral untamed beast in bed.

Sorry. It's just kinda hard to tell what's snarky or legit on this site anymore.

The first one no, but the latter is very likely. There are plenty of shows that don't have as big a fanbase that have had fans send death threats.

Ahhh ok, I guess that keeps it fresh. I’m on mobile so I don’t know if I can access /trash/... ;-;

That’s super cool! I’m on mobile so I don’t know if I can access trash unless I’m just being fuckin’ stupid.

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You can just google 4 chan /trash/,or sug rocks.

even Japan makes better gems. SU was a mistake.

Is /sug/ still in denial of the fact SU is poorly written and people hate it regardless of it's politics?

>It has great art, great writing, great characters, and a complex sense of morality never before seen in a cartoon
SO , you never got past S2 got it

Yes