Now that the dust has settled

Was he, ultimately, right?

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He was absolutely right.

>Civil War Era Tony = Best Tony
People will try to refute this, but it was the only logical explaination. There's areason Armor Wars is a classic, and that's because that's who Stark is. A control freak with good intentions, but one who's against everything the average comic book reader supports. It's funny how the more "evil" Marvel made him, and the more the """fans""" hated him, the more sound and logical he was.

Yeah, what people want is to be addicted to an app that makes you perfect and youthful and creates inevitable artificial class divide for profit.
What bull fucking shit,

>confusing Civil War with Superior
The absolute state of Sup Forums...

If we're being honest, yeah, people probably do want that. People want lootboxes too.

He didn't say they gave people what was good for them, and he didn't say they gave people things in a positive way. That's business.

He sounds like a pompous narcissistic authoritarian.

Oh, so you have read that story

Is there any other Iron Man story?

The ones where he's drunk too.

I'm not confusing it you idiot, I'm saying that his entire shtick, even in the panel posted, hinges on him being a good smart person who's right because he's so smart.
Except both in Civil War and in Superior he's just a giant-ass fucking grade-A asshole.
It's just in Superior he's MINIMALLY more unhinged.
But still, this whole "I'm right because I'm smart" is bullshit, and always has been.

Keep trying, guys, keep trying. Iron Cuck ain't gonna be anywhere close to Rightclopse.

People *with money* want that. I don't think people who couldn't afford Extremis app liked it's existence very much.
People only wanted it because he CREATED demand for it. Fuck, Superior compares Tony to a drug dealer several times. For a reason.

No. Tony Stark is too much of an emotional reactionary idiot to be trusted with the future.

In Superior he'd been inverted by the shit in AXIS. It wasn't something regular Tony would've done. That was kind of the whole point of the event.

Civil War was actually Tony being Tony because he wasn't magically flipped around into being Mirrorverse Tony and shit.

>IM being wrong
>implying
Why? What washe wrong about? Putting robots on the premises of the walking WMDs? Putting the walking WMD outlaws and fugitives in a special prison far away from innocents? Selling a drug that could make you perfect for the low price of 40k/year? For making the walking WMDs register with a global, peace-keeping task-force? For being protective of his own IP? Stark did nothing objectively wrong, and only butthurt "muh freedomz" people like you see it that way.

Yeah, he'll never be a meme, truly sad... I guess he'll have to be content with saving Marvel, having a solo book since the 60s and being an interesting character. Oh, not to mention Emma is Tony's sloppy seconds.

Yeah, in Civil War he was instead doing regular heroic Tony shit, like trying to arrest people he didn't agree with politically, creating personal assassin clones who fucking murdered people, and putting superheroes into Space Guantanamo. Classic hero stuff.

You're saying that as if there's anything wrong with that. Those fuckers should've realized that the law was sound, and obeyed it.

Superheroes break the law all the fucking time. If Batman was real he'd have a rap sheet for breaking&entering and assault as long as my arm.

Well yeah, hence the need for Registration. It allowed them to still do what they do, but without being literal outlaws.

Not even Tony can remember.

This.

For all his shady deeds in the background, there was always a cold logic to it that was hard to argue against.

Stark may not be the most upstanding person, but he's the one you can count on to make tough decisions without hesitation, and sometimes the world needs that in a hero.

Unless we're talking about Superior Stark. He was just a cunt. A fun cunt, but you don't want that man calling the shots in any scenario.

>For all his shady deeds in the background, there was always a cold logic to it that was hard to argue against.
Yeah, Hitler gets a bad rep for what he did but his speeches were on point.

My point is that Iron Man tried to arrest them for breaking the law, when before superheroes, including himself, broke the law all the time (and he later broke the law too). It's pretty fucking hypocritical, and it's not in service of anything.

Hitler operated and capitalized on emotion and propaganda science, not logic.

Superior had some good ideas as well, but yeah, i wouldn't trust him. At all.

I don't remember Tony exterminating Jews user. Just because he's a Right-Leaning Centrist Capitalist doesn't mean he's the Devil. Unlike those good Socialists and Communists, those good, good boys...

Sure, and he realized it was time for a change. He stopped breaking the Law, helped pass a good one that helped everybody, and tried to stay in control and not let the purely political vultures get their hands on it.

Tony isn't and will never be wrong. Not in Civil War and not in the movies. Accountability should always be top priority in anything the government ever does. You can't just have people running around using their powers whenever they wanted.

Even if you register a gun and use it, you still have to go to the police, show that you were using a registered gun, and file a report. Do people do that in the Marvel Universe? No, they just run the fuck away because their powers are crazy. Now imagine being a civilian with crazy shit happening all around you every other day and having NO ONE to take the blame for it. What happens when someone innocent dies? Who is held accountable?

But why? What does it improve? Superheroes are supposed to make the world a better place. How is enforcing an unjust law for no reason that only creates divide within superhero community and a TON of collateral damage as heroes fight each other good?
Just because something is lawful doesn't make it good or just.

>and propaganda science
i.e. "futurism", which in Tony's case of practice has never actually been accurately predictive or useful for his all frequent use of it to sway arguments in fact in two instances a time traveler from the future and inhuman with the ability to accurately do what he memes about showed up and disagreed with his erroneous projections to justify his subsequently senseless, emotionally driven actions.
So really it's more "futilism".

>not let the purely political vultures get their hands on it.
This is an important part of his role in the whole thing. Don't forget that "What-if" story that shows what would have happened if he wasn't there to handle everything.

Tony's (and Steve's) biggest problem during Civil War is that they handled their differences like children instead of working for the greater good of the people they fought alongside against. Even when they tried to come to an agreement, they let their personal baggage and flaws get in the way of progress. There was never any real recognition of the either side's valid points, and no effort to find a way to make everything work for the better.

Hitler's actions were often illogical.

People are usually killed by supervillains who simply wouldn't need to register their powers. And unlike in gun control, powers occur naturally so you can't try to make access to powers harder or something.

All it does is make the life for people who are society's pretty much only line of defense against supervillains much harder for no reason.
I mean, what does it improve? The inciting incident of Civil War was Nitro blowing up a bunch of people - how the fuck would that be prevented if heroes involved were registered?

All you do in the bottom line is make harder for people to become a superhero, and in the end you reduce number of superheroes around.

More like iron smug

Remember when Marvel's 'science' predicted that humanity will go extinct in couple generations and mutants will take over very soon?
Remember that?

user is trying to use a comparison to point out that just because there's one good facet of person's actions ("cold logic" or "speeches on point") doesn't make said actions right.

It SHOULD be harder for people to become a superhero. You're right, unlike gun control, powers occur naturally. Which means people have a much greater capacity to fuck things up if they don't know how to use them. If they are mentally ill or a whole load of other problems.

Except Tony was right about pretty much everything important; Registration came to pass and had to be handled, the Phoenix brought new mutants into the world (for better or for worse), The incursions would continue until their universe was destroyed and that there was nothing they could do to stop it, Ulysses's predictions were flawed and at times, inaccurate (and two of his closest friends were dead because Carol handled everything like a bullheaded retard at first, and really didn't get THAT much better later) and thus could not be relied on at an institutional level, and although this never came to pass after Ulysses disappeared, he was worried about what precedent predictive justice would set for future people in power and what they could to do with it.

>how the fuck would that be prevented if heroes involved were registered?
Mostly because the New Warriors handled the situation like retards. A big part of registration was ensuring superpowered individuals knew how to handle their powers in a way that didn't put those around them in danger, and to train them to better function in their intended role, should they decide to be part of the Fifty State Initiative.

It improves the fact that when a mutant is born, it is written in its birth certificate. The kid is monitored, and when the powers emerge, it is put in check, before it accidentally fries the whole district.

With the SHRA, someone like Spider-Man wouldn't have to waste his academic career and risk his life. As soon as his powers emerged, he'd Register with SHIELD, he'd get a good pay, his identity would've been secret and he would've gotten something like a scholarship. he'd have been trained, he'd have better equipment, and so someone like Gwen wouldn't die.

Super-Powers are dangerous user, especially ones that spin out of luck.

If the SHRA existed back then, stupid kids with mediocre powers and no training wouldn't have gone villain-hunting with a TV Crew in tow. SHIELD would've used professionals and they would've gotten caught without casualties.

The SHRA didn't stop Super-Heroes from acting. It merely needed them to register with a global peace-keeping force. I mean, what if some costumed American wacko decides that in the name of justice he's gonna go start some shit in... Sweden? What do they do then?

Exactly.

>yes daddy SHIELD pls pound my boipussy

Some futurist. He didn't predict the WWH, Skrulls or Dark Reign. He couldn't even predict the ass whomping he got when Thor came back.

>A good law that helped everybody
>The same law that forces you to give up your personal information to an inept organization constantly infiltrated by nazis and supervillains.
>Good
Even ignoring the fact that pro reg was throwing people who had saved the planet into a concentration camp, they were objectively wrong.

>the ass whomping he got when Thor came back.

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>hurdddurr
>ur ghei
Really, user?

It's a Big 2 comic user, of course that's how things turned out. But on a basic level, the SHRA was sound.

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>>ur ghei

If that's what you got out of that then you're retarded

>of course that's how things turned out. But on a basic level, the SHRA was sound.

>being genre blind is a good thing

JMS is a faggot who wrote Tony like a evil villain instead of a complicated man like all the other writers

also, Reed never got punished by thor, same for skrull pym

So it's OK for him and Reed to use their super brains to predict the future and do morally dubious stuff because of things that MIGHT happen, but when some Inhuman kid does it it's bad?

>his only response is an insult
>gets insulted back
>hur durr blind fanboi fggt
Oh, piss off user.

Illuminati keep it all in the family.

Isn't the entire point of the first Hickman Fantastic
Four with the Council of Reeds suppose to show t hat for all Reed's good intentions, his implementation of things only lead to short term solving of the problem that spiral out of control into major ones down the road?

Which is also kind of the lesson of his whole regathering of the Illuminati now that I think about it. Even though Tony knew from the start this was all futile, albeit he was wrong, but no one saw God Emperor Doom coming.

Well, except Doom.

Jesus, you've assumed yourself insulted. That user's original greentext was illustrating that most of the suppositions were blind faith in organizations like SHIELD which will inevitably and have invariably always resulted in the individual being thoroughly fucked over with no compromise.
Peter's trust in Tony was rewarded with tragedy, neglect and betrayal all the while Norman Osborn rose to power.

The very idea the established power in 616, who have been painstakingly illustrated to be either corrupt or compromised or both, would or will assist anyone is just sheer insanity. Things like Weapon X and Sentinel programs and the like precisely exist unchecked and able to subject groups like mutants to their whim because someone up top is turning a blind eye to the matter regardless of how cooperative the community under their responsibility behave.

>That's why we're such succesful inventors. We know what people will need before people even know they're gonna need it.
When has this EVER happened? And it doesn't even make much sense.

>piss off

No wonder you enjoy being bent over by authority, you're European

So it's Burgers like you that give America a bad name...

Which time?

Does it matter?
Does anyone have a secret identity anymore?

Jokes on you, I'm a Leaf

And I'm a Med, so... hail Doom, I guess?

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He was right until they started locking people up left and right without due process

Based Tony. Commies BTFO. Carol BTFO. Everybody BTFO. Oh, and fuck magic.

does stretch ever get punished
that's his real superpower

delet this.

The kid was fine. Carol's just a uppity retard that wants to be remembered as DA BEST, and in her efforts to make a bigger name for herself, she ended up getting one of the oldest Avengers killed when he was in his yard minding his own business.

I mean, Tony's/Reed's/Skrull Pym's fuck up got Goliath accidentally killed, but at least Goliath was fucking fighting...

I like the part in hickman's avengers when they let superior tony go wild for 6 months and he builds multiple weapons capable of destroying planets.
What a guy

FUCKING BASED. YASSSS STARK SLAAAAAY. ALIENS BTFOOOOOOOOO!

He had two choices, arresting his friends that were breaking the law and try to work with the system to ensure the safety of everyone or fight with them and lead everyone to the slaughter.

First family can't get touched, not for long anyway.
When the arc on how they might be held accountable for recklessly endangering NY through their experiments, and more importantly endangering their children and how they might lose custody everyone here was up in arms about it not being fair and a disservice to the family orientated theme and that Reed and Sue should face absolutely no consequences at all for getting married but deciding they wouldn't let actual married left get in the way of their science adventuring regardless of the implications that holds for the upbringing of Franklin and Valeria.

If you're referring to Civil War in particular Sue pouted for a bit and I think Reed forgot to shave.

He may be a bit of a dickhead but let it never be said that Stark is incompetent...

true. He might not be an omni-scientist like Reed, but when he needs to get a job done, he gets it done. He's equal parts engineer/scientist, businessman and politician.

You forgot about the planet-killer that he rigged to be control with a joystick.

What Civil War did to Iron Man was like having a comic where Spider-Man gives up crimefighting and goes back to show business.

>control freak who beat up random people because he thought they might have been using his tech
>becomes an even bigger control freak
>now wants to control everyone
>somehow OOC
Nigga what?

Of course he is user, what kind of question is that? Do you have, like, a low IQ or something?

Did you miss how basically every other Iron Man story is him telling the government that they can't have his stuff? He would never have gone back to making weapons for them.

...You really miss the point of CW. Tony didn’t become a government lapdog. He supported the law so that HE could be IN CHARGE of it. Had the Law passed and he had been in the opposition, his tech would’ve been taken by the Governemt and the Hammers of the world. By supporting the Act, he stays on top of things and keeps controlling humanity’s future, which is what he always wanted. The core concept of CW was perfectly in-character for Tony.

That's mostly the movies, and recent comics. In the comics, Stark briefly considered handing the Iron Man over to the government, but decided against it. After that, there were a few encounters with the gubmint in regards to getting the suit for themselves, but Stark still built weapons after he donned the for quite some time, up until Heroic Age.

Hell, Stark was building legit weapons until the 70s, then started making weapons for Shield, then became Director of SHIELD in 2005. This “smol, uwu” Tony has been a thing since 2012 or so. Even Fraction didn’t change him that much.

>He supported the law so that HE could be IN CHARGE of it. Had the Law passed and he had been in the opposition, his tech would’ve been taken by the Governemt and the Hammers of the world

He also says had he not been in charge/control of it what the government would've done for Registration and to heroes would've been worse.

>lol dummy actually thinks i go with my gut when predicting the future little he knows i'm actually doing super mathematical equations to narrow down the possible outcomes and anticipate future trends and events, hell i already know this shit will blow on his face which will force him to do something retarded like bringing his past teen self to the future in order to clean his name what a dumbass

The fact he got the future wrong pretty much says no he wasn't right.

Tony put too much faith in the government's ability to manage and regualte the lives of superheroes who register, and everyone paid for it badly.

What is this from?

The good point of the security vs. freedom debate is how static it is from person to person.

In the case of future profiling there is no debate, the precog's abilities were flawed and Carol was being a shitass.
Could have had a nice debate about just conventional profiling but Marvel doesn't really have the balls to voice a pro-profiling viewpoint with perhaps Kamala caught in the middle and not Miles playing the role Spider-man had in the first Civil War.

Putting fucking NORMAN OSBORN in charge of anything was retarded, especially for Tony Stark. Even now I can't get how he justified doing that.

>Hell, Stark was building legit weapons until the 70s
The character was created in the mid sixties. It's a couple of years of Stark making weapons for the government vs 30+ years of him refusing to do it.

>right

>Sure, and he realized it was time for a change.
If you're gonna be contrarian at least do it right, you pompous ass.

He didn't realize shit. The SHRA was just damage control for muh Stamford children.

Carol was a fucking idiot in that event.
>lol arresting people before they do anything ilegal!
>not just following suspects and catch them with palpable evidence of their wrongdoings

Carol's War.
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>Tony makes everybody pass a bad few months
>it butterflies into curing cancer and aids forever
DYKE BTFO HOW WILL SHE EVER RECOVER?!

>not just following suspects and catch them with palpable evidence of their wrongdoings

The issue being in some cases the evidence would have been the fact the crime was committed

Not trying to make excuses for Captain Dykecut but it's a difficult issue.

Superior Tony = Best Tony

Then just don't arrest anybody? Maybe don't assume Homer's predictions are 100% accurate? If nothing illegal was committed then crisis averted, just accept it and move onto the next case.
>b-but waste of resources
As if costly investigations based on loose leads weren't happening already.

The problem is she wanted to base everything around Homey boy instead of using him as a handy tool to prevent *possible* disasters, not to mention the uber retarded decisions they were taking during that event
>what's that? the hulks gonna snap and kill errybody?
>i know! let's gather everyone we know and go confront him and put him in a highly awkward and stressful situation, what could go wrong?
Though to be fair >benis was the writer so characters being retarded was a given.

>Superior

>lol let's just let thanos kill everybody on earth because nobody can be right all the time

>disregarding the "keep an eye on suspects until you find them doing something incriminating" line i posted earlier
Of course this also effects locations where an alien invasion is supposedly taking part. I need to clarify this first because I'm sure you're a complete imbecile and will reply something dumb like
>h-how do you keep an eye on t-thanos?!!!

Literally kill yourself, brainlet.