Criminalizing Puberty

True story.
I know a 14 year old boy. he was so proud to have his first real gf. She was a very young-minded 16 y.o. They, of course, didnt last long. Just puppy love.
Months after they were no longer "dating" the girls father found pictures on her cellphone. The boy and girl had been sending each other nudes. the father called the police.
Now, the boy is 15 and HE has to go to teen court but the 16 year old does not. The exchanges were mutual and he was under the age of consent.
The police said they believed the girl, who blamed the boy for "coercing her", even though the first pic sent was from the girl.

As someone invested in the well being of this boy I am FURIOUS that he has to have his puberty years traumatized by the police and courts. It is, imo, absolute bullshit and extremely unfair. How is it possible for a boy under the age of consent to be charged while the girl of consent age is not????????

I understand the importance of teaching kids to avoide transmitting risque images due to adults and the internet. It is bullshit however to punish kids going through puberty WITH EACH OTHER because of what perverted adults do!

My rage against the father of the father of the girl and the police know no bounds. This is utter bullshit that could label the boy, traumatize his normal sexuality, and paint a target on his back in the coming years where any accusation against him from a female will be believed and the punishment will be severe.

We as a society really need to take a hard look at how we are treating our children in the name of protecting them.

Your responses would be appreciated.

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Our child pornography laws were written in the 70's and 80's. They only ever assumed that someone taking the pictures would be a pervert with a Polaroid. They never realized there would come a day with virtually everyone has a camera, is willing to use it all the time, and is willing to use it to send nude pictures of themselves willingly back and forth.

The laws absolutely need to be updated to account for underage willing parties sending nudes to one another.

Its important to note that in some cases, there is no discretion for the judge/prosecutor. This sucks as well.

Thanks for the response. I am totally flabbergasted as to why the boy faces court but the older female does not. that simply does not make sense to me.

Court system has been shown time and again to discriminate against males. They're more likely to be convicted and more likely to have a harsher punishment for the same crime. In crimes involving a man and a woman, the man is most often picked out as the perpetrator, and woman simply as being pressured into it.

So his boy sent nude pics of his own sick accord, and the girl was simply pressured to respond back with nudes in kind. Its not her fault, if only the boy had not sent nudes in the first place this wouldn't be happening.

Copfag here. If you don't like the law, petition to have it changed.

I've recently been struggling with the morality of my job because of situations like this. I could spend all day on the phone with my supervisors explaining how I don't think such a thing meets the spirit of the law and would get shut down.

I almost faced cp charges when I was 15, she was 16. I got called into the office at school, had to talk to the principal, the police, it was some shit. Nothing came of it after they found out the chick sent nudes to like 10 guys and she was just a hoe. I probably shouldn't have shown so many people her titty pics though, it was pretty scary

>USA: land of the free edition
>no consentual sex allowed between teenagers
>no consentual sex allowed between adults in exchange for money(prostitution)


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Right, the law is the law. If you think it is unfair you have two options:
1) tough shit
2) try to get it changed

In the spirit of continuing conversation, how does one go about changing the law.

Puritans and their legacy have fucked everything up, as usual. Is this news to anyone?

>elect hillary.....

>be 15 / dating 15 year old chick
>alike in every way; fall in teenage love
>sext
>great shit
>her grades slip and her shit gets taken away i.e. phone
>parents find nudes on phone
>tell my parents
>mom flips out; calls police
>"just sort it amongst yourselves" etc etc
>mom livid
>mom threatens me with physical violence if I still hung out with girl

mfw I just lost a great girlfriend with dick pics.

More like 2003. Ohio v Osborne didn't even happen until 1990. Child porn laws are a new thing.

I sent my own Nude photo in high school knowing it would leak and it got me mclaid

>elect

Join MRA/MGTOW.

As a burger in Japan I always get the impression that one of the biggest differences in law enforcement is that in the USA there is pressure for LEO's to arrest and charge whereas in Japan there is pressure to settle issues without arresting and charging. Like for example if the cops get called for a fistfight they might take the participants to the station and interview them and the witnesses to find out what was happening, and then they will try to get the less-culpable party to agree to drop charges in exchange for payment of medical bills. And so then if they cooperated neither party would have an official arrest record.

by "drop charges" I meant to say "agree not to press charges"

>I know a 14 year old boy.
Sure you do, underage

The law will never change for the better. If you tell anyone that you want to make any sort of change to child pornography laws to make them less strict the logic part of their brain shuts down.

Both of them would be sent to prison, as they are not 18 yet.

>how does one go about changing the law

Lobby Congress. Problem is, nobody wants to take a stand that could be perceived as pro child porn.

Best thing to do is educate your kids on the dangers of sending/receiving nudes.

I was born in Romania and back then if two drunks were fighting in the streets the cops would come and give both of them an asswhooping so that they would think twice before acting like wickweeds in public.

Kinda miss those days. The police here just lock you up for any arbitrary reason they can find.

Women also get a fraction of the time in prison for the same offense as a man, when they do go to prison for the charge which is rare in comparison to a man.

Patriarchy!

That's easy, don't give teenagers cell phones. Otherwise you're asking for it.

Because men use work to gain power and women use manipulation, including the justice system.

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Depends on the state. You can bang 16-year-olds in my state and prostitution is legal in certain places.

if have a bit of cash, help the parents find a good (((lawyer))). Don't just promise to defend the boy against any criminal suit, ask the lawyer to do everything they can within the law to make that father suffer, make the police and prosecutors who decided to take the case suffer, generally make yourself too much of a pain in the ass to deal with, and especially make that father regret fucking with the boy. It might not make you feel good, and it might not mean anything to the father, but that boy will become a man knowing what it is to fight for what is right, and knowing that someone cared enough to fight for his future.

A few hundred dollars is enough to get the ball rolling here. %100 worth it unless you're a poorfag.

I had to go talk to the police when I was 17 because me and my friend talked a girl into showing us her boobs. They tried saying it was sexual assault when she was in the back seat and both my friend and I were in the front seat and never touched her

Yes, pressure from both the way the law is written "shall arrest" aka WILL and or MUST. And department policy.
If I don't make an arrest for certain crimes I will get in trouble myself.

In the US the criminal justice system is an industry from top to bottom, lot of people make money if there's more "crime"

I mean, to solve to problem all you would need to do is make it less illegal for children to possess it, right? I think people would support that if issues like OP described persists.

It's a lot more productive for society for that drunk to get his shit pushed in, giving him physical pain that he will heal from, than to arrest him and destroy his livelihood and future job prospects, or charge him a fine that may financially impact his family worse than his drinking problem.
The modern law enforcement paradigm is fucking stupid and things should be reverted back to 100 years ago

Because being male is a complete shit sandwich, and women have no problem being completely insane liars divorced from reality.

How do you fight something that is completely remorseless and has no sense of justice? The only check on females is their pettiness.

the obvious solution is to stop giving kids internet

what a tard father to ruin some other childs life because he couldn't first keep his own child under control

Its not about changing the law its about the law being applied unfairly and based on gender discrimination.

There's no reason for possession to be illegal in the first place.

The father of the girl is a faggot. It is his life that should be destroyed.

We can fuck 16-year-olds but we can't take pictures of them

The 99% conviction rate thing here gets a lot of shit, but another way of looking at it is that they are settling many marginal offenses without bringing them to criminal trial and it is only particularly egregious ones that end up in the courtroom.

this is absolutely true, Japanese civil trials also see more efforts at reaching a resolution outside the courtroom. A lot of it goes back to bakufu days and village/han ties, internal settlement of dispute etc., system continued through Meiji and imperial era, up through the present day. Eastern culture in general take the 以和為貴 approach; it's better to try to sort out issues between parties privately and quietly than drag them into open court.

Interestingly, western legal systems are moving more and more towards this approach as well.

It's an imaginary "problem". Nude photos hurt teenagers less than doing a marijuana. Obviously you can't change the society that perceives a naked image as life-ruining overnight, but changing child porn laws to focus on the production, the coercion, abuse, child rape etc. rather than the possession, transmission, receipt etc. would be a big first step.

Yes, that and Japanese prosecutors DO NOT bring cases they think have a chance of failure. An American prosecutor will bring a case they think needs to be prosecuted, even if they think the jury might wrong let the accused go. A Japanese prosecutor WILL NOT risk it. In a country where most prosecutors have never lost a case, and most defense attorneys have no wins, and face is king, having that defeat on your record is like tattooing "FAILURE" on your forehead.

This can mean that police and prosecutors simply let guilty men walk because they won't confess and there's a chance the judge will find them not guilty.

The only recourse i see that would possibly work would be for the family of the boy to sue the girl for sexual molestation and sight her father,lawyers and social services as accessories to the crime.
Play them at their own game,fight fire with fire,etc.
Good luck OP.

Well if you cant prove it in court beyojd reasonable doubt then it makes sense not to go to court.
Dont forget thay in asian countries judges tend to rule more conservatively as well, you rarely ever get sjw interpretations if ever

Could I go to a nudist beach in the USA with my children, or is this illegal?

>Its important to note that in some cases, there is no discretion for the judge/prosecutor.

BULLSHIT. There are plenty of cases where judges did whatever the hell they wanted despite minimum sentencing laws and laws with 'no discretion.'

Nothing happens to them.

And a legislature can write SHALL PROSECUTE over and over again in a law. A DA might get in trouble for openly saying 'not gonna do it.' But when he says 'we're overloaded' or 'there's a problem with the case' all that goes out the window and he can do what he wants.

Cops are the ones who actually have to play games because open defiance of a law that requires an arrest and investigation can lead to a career change.

If you're really a copfag then you and I both know when you're interviewing that 16yo girl you can get her to say anything. "It's OK...you're not going to be in trouble...just tell the truth...did you start the photo exchange?"

Oops...looks like there's nothing to turn over to the DA because we all know that no DA on Earth is going to go after a crying 16yo girl saying she's sorry unless she murdered someone. Go home kids, have a talk with your parents about being stupid teenagers.

Of course you'll get that 1% that sticks to a story the DA can act on, and you go home wondering if you should smash the badge with a hammer.

The third option is to get your kid out of Dodge. "He ran away! I just don't know what to do!" I really hate to say that, but there are cases where that would be the smartest thing for a parent to do. Especially where there are relatives outside of the US.

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Welcome to the world the globalfags want you to live in.

While they do the most horrendous acts imaginable we can't have our sons ask a girl of his same race out without feeling that he's some kind of creep or criminal.

Alpha white male genocide is real and the sooner people get that into their gay heads the better.

If anyone ever wanted to see mass extinction event occur in front of their eyes, look no further than the hunt of the alpha white male.

Zootopia despite being produced by Hollywood filth is one of the most red pilled movies out there. Alpha's are being hunted.

Fact.

Our society has completely, utterly forgot how to treat teenage boys humanely.

Teenage boys are very interested in the following:

1. Sex. Sort of like teenage girls. But whereas teenage girls are told by the culture at large that it's okay to explore their sexuality, we have some very odd, dark elements in our educational system that see male sexuality as a sort of loaded gun, only meant for hurting others. You should look at what they teach boys in sexual education nowadays. It is basically Rape Hysteria 101.

Did she drink? Then it was rape. Did she take cough medicine? Rape. (Yes, this actually happens.) Did she tell you yes, but then seem nervous at the time, and you didn't bother to ask her again? Rape. Did you not know she had been drinking? It's still rape. Did she say yes after some persuading on your part? Didn't you know seduction is rape?

There's definitely an element in our culture that just assumes male sexuality is inherently harmful and dangerous, and it's a strong enough element that it comes through in our policies and scars a lot of young teenage boys.

2. Fighting. Of course, boys should be disciplined out of this, and should face punishment if they engage in fighting. But nowadays the way they treat fights, boys are likely to end up in prison or with a record for engaging in some very natural urges.

that is one neat bed

Meanwhile any kid can go on the internet and look at porn 24/7 if they want to.

A much easier solution than trying to write out a specific law with loophole this and loophole that to try to punish adults harshly but children less so is for law enforcement to use simple discretion

40 year old with nudes of 12 year olds? Bring the hammer down

16 year old with nudes of 15 year old? Settle it privately

Another big problem of course is the parents, who don't want to believe their precious little girl angel would ever willingly send nudes and must have been manipulated by the nasty awful pervert boy

>Well if you cant prove it in court beyojd reasonable doubt then it makes sense not to go to court.

That's not the problem; it's not that it can't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, it's that the prosecutor THINKS there is a RISK that it MIGHT not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to the satisfaction of the judge and lay judges (sort of a pseudo jury system)

>Dont forget thay in asian countries judges tend to rule more conservatively as well, you rarely ever get sjw interpretations if ever

haha, oh man, do I fucking wish

It's legal as long as no one enjoys it

>mfw I just lost a great girlfriend with dick pics.
>Just
underage? GTFO

Also, you didn't lose gf because of dick picks, you lost it because she has shitty grades. You should tell her you would still be with her if she wheren't such a dumbass, wreck her self worth.

>mfw people don't know about describing things in past tense