I've spent the last year pretty much exclusively watching Japanese, South Korean and Spanish / some South American movies.
Why are these 3 countries so much better than the US at making movies?
Anything made in the US is literally unwatchable for me now.
Recommend me some kinos
I think it's just because you're watching their most famous movies, which tend to be good and something that Westerners like (which is why they get famous here). And because they are in general something new and different from what you're used to. I used to watch hundreds of Japanese movies and a fair amount of Korean ones, and it's not all Memories of Murder and Tetsuo.
What was he looking at?
Did you watch any bad films from these countries? Maybe you going through only the best of what those countries have to offer has altered your view? Aside from this, I know for me in the UK we have seen a decline from smaller budgets that create lots of fantastic smaller films, to larger coproductions that mean those quality films are replaced by less risky bankable movies. What I'm trying to say is, less money in a countries film industry can bring out the best in that countries limited film output. Maybe try looking deeper into American film, or your tastes could genuinely fit those countries better.
Have any recomendations for films to watch from those countries, OP?
it's not that they make better movies, it's that the korean/japanese/spanish movies you hear HAVE to be good because the market is so small.
All countries make shit movies, in america it's just over-exposed.
i liked timecrimes [spanish]
In no particular order, some of my favorites are:
Oldboy (S. Korea)
Memories of a Murder (S. Korea)
Audition (Japan)
Thesis (Spain)
The Skin I Live In (Spain)
Cure (Japan)
Wild Tales (Argentina)
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (S. Korea)
The Wailing (S. Korea)
Sleep Tight (Spain)
Cell 211 (Spain)
I Saw The Devil (S. Korea)
Battle Royale (Japan)
Hana-bi (Japan)
Confessions (Japan)
These are just a few off the top of my head. I don't have any favorites, but if it wasn't obvious, I'm a fan of thrillers. There are so many more worth seeing also.
Yeah this is about what I expected. Well-known movies, mostly if not entirely thrillers. Not representative.
He's pretty surface tier but I loved Almodóvar's Talk to Her
Thanks for the recomendations
The movie is based on a real series of murders that took place in the era.
One of the messages of the movie is that the actual killer (who was never found) is still out there living a normal life among us. The girl tells him that there was another man there recently, which means the killer revisited the location, just like the retired detective is doing at that point. The final staring scene is supposedly implying that the killer could be any one of us (viewers), or that the real killer might be watching the movie and is being stared at. It is a very powerful scene. I hope I explained this correctly.
You spent a motherfucking year immersing yourself in their media and your recommendation list is just the most well known shit pulled off of Joe's imdb?
They really don't, a good example is this the film quality of these places in a general sense is lower and a lot of Japanese and South Korean movies simply look terrible. And in Japan specifically, a lot of their superiority at the top level comes from going to the bottom to the top economically over a few decades, meaning the disposable money for movies but a range of world experience. Plus Japanese artists often resented American control, that means a very close relationship to the top movie making country as well as trying to fight their domination. South Korea has a lot of similar benefits, as well as the dual influences of American and Japanese movies. Plus Korea's popularity started after Japan's and Hong Kong's waned significantly and played to the increasing taste for grit, crime and violence in modern movie watching (Old Boy, Memories of Murder, I Saw the Devil). Spain I don't have enough exposure to.
About how recent do you want?
Already seen the majority of those other than the spanish movies which I'm not very familiar with. I'll check them out. Some spanish kino wouldn't hurt.
Generally speaking I agree, in america it seems the shittier the movie the more popular it gets whereas in other countries popularity and quality seem to be separate things.
Honestly? Because they don't rely on a huge budget or are in it for making money. American Cinema is about dollars. It's not been infected with Chinese money, and they have very poor taste. Have you noticed as standard testing has become more and more common, we have lost our ability to create art. Americans are just as bad as the Chinese or Indians at this point.
A Brighter Summer Day is fucking glorious. One of the best films of all time. Long as fuck though, four hours. Youth and crime always gets me.
Kurosawa films are probably better than 90% of american movies
>brings 1950s movies to bash current American flicks
>there were no american films in the 1950s
It’s really a question of race, do you prefer higher east asian spatial iq, and the resulting historical visual dialectic, or do you not because of japanese/korean psychological deficiencies.
>Japanese
Okay, strong industry for lots of years, multifaceted, greatly director oriented
>South-Korean
Late bloomers due to economic/political problems for the most part of their history, some good authors
>Spanish / South-American
What? Let's get one thing out of the way, South America and Spain are not the same thing today and they haven't been since the fucking 1898. So, Spain (since South American cinema is wildly varied): the industry is bloated with hacks whose only aspiration is to get to the US quick (like Bayona, Coixet, Amenabar...) or make regionalist bull forever. It's VERY harsh right now with actually talented people like, dunno, Victor Erice, since their focus is at the same time completely market/international oriented and wholly subsidized (the complete non-indie sphere is governed by a monopoly between two TV companies that at the same time depend on state funding); almost all films from before the Francoist dictatorship were burned and almost all good spanish directors from that time either did their work in the exile (Buñuel, Chomon) or did it in ostracism (Val del Omar), although people like Edgar Neville existed. There was a streak of great directors in the late 50s/60s period with Carlos Saura, Fernando Fernan Gomez, Manuel Mur Oti or Luis Garcia Berlanga; but this is not exceptional at all because as you should know the 50s and 60s marked the era of the Holywood studio system desestabilization and more focus went to other countries and all those directors are dead by now anyways. Why in the fuck do you think Spain is exceptional in any way when particularly strong filmographies are being made in, dunno, Portugal, the three Chinas, Thailand...?
Because its different and not forcing agendas and a multicultural cast down your throat
>modern jap
>good
>gook
>ever good
>post colonial hk
>good
The once great Japanese and the once fun HK are dead and gone. Gookshit is terrible melodrama, including even more dramatic efforts like memories of murder.
Of course non-American movies are trying to make money. A complaint made by Mark Schilling (a long time Japanese film critic) and Midnight Eeye (a long time review site) is that Japanese cinema has become too bland and safe and controlled by corporate interests. This was even the reason why Midnight Eye ceased activities some years ago.
I am almost the same way op but with French movies
Seriously cannot watch an American movie now after immersing myself in French cinema
Post War Japan was a cinematic golden age.
OMG OP is soooo cute :3
The little baby takes his first steps outside of Hollywood and he directly thinks he has conquered the world of Kino.
Keep going OP, you're a lovely, naive idiot :3
Spanish and South American movies are seriously underrated. Just look at similar recommendations if you enjoy any of those.
I only shared some basic movies that most people can get into and are great starters. Of course I've gone deeper than the most popular titles.
The point is, I've enjoyed movies from these countries a lot more than anything made in the US. A mediocre movie from the US is honestly trash compared to a mediocre movie from one of these countries. Spanish movies aren't as good as Asian ones in my experience, but they sure as hell make decent movies.
When was the last time the US produced something that wasn't extremely predictable and uninspired? They completely lack substance and only rely on big names, budget and sponsorship. If you consider that they're trying to appeal to the average American, then they're not really left with much to work with. The truth is, Americans have shit taste and are not ready for anything sightly different.
It might be a dumb example, but people in the US were literally raving about Get Out when it was released. Is this what the US has to offer nowadays? Throw in a thousand shitty uninspired and forgettable movies with the odd decent movie, and that's the US film industry in a nutshell, all quantity and barely any quality.
Sorry if this comes across as a rant. But even comparing well-known critically acclaimed US movies to critically acclaimed movies from any of these countries (or even other countries) really says a lot.
Post some good kinos from france from this century. And please dont post movies like Intouchables that everybody already knows and hates.
Dont spook 'im user
I have not spent any amount of time watching any specific kino and I've seen half of these. Mada Mada dane
I've seen a few French movies and it's definitely something I want to look into more. Post some recommendations.
I worked way too hard to find those kinos what makes you think I would just hand them over?
SK films are always bloated, obnoxious, blatantly and alienatingly political and it’s always the guy in the OP making a stupid face
These are basic mainstream movies OP. I'm dissapointed in you.
Well because SNEED
>all those pics
As the poster I should've read that before writing all that shit. Jesus christ, are Americans just unable of watching shit that is more than 20 years old. Maybe OP should watch actually good, important US movies instead of trying to find exotic values in films that clearly copy standard american fare (Amenabar, Monzón, are you fucking kidding me?)
I love S.Korean movies, but you're exaggerating, the US has plenty masterpieces.
Before anyone asks, that's from A Bittersweet Life (I'm 99% sure).
>le older is better meme
>watch asian movie
>something terrible happens
>asian men starts whimpering
jesus christ that shit always goes into the feels
Why post when you clearly have no fucking clue of what you're talking about?
US is going thru a bad phase for the past what? 10-20 years? Their movies are unimaginative and dependable on celebrities' names to attract audience
I think that makes other countries' movies to appear better than they are
>i-its not that other countries are good
>we're bad
The key is that western media has become pro degeneracy and anti family
Try China next, they have some absolute kinos. Especially the work of Wong Kar Wai.
South Korean cinema is so kino. They're morals and values are different so their characters can be a breath of fresh air and the production value/artistry is still top tier. The wailing, train to Busan, all the romances, the weird ones like Old Boy and The Chaser and I Saw the Devil are good. New World was good, they have personal touching stories like Peppermint Candy too.
The political correctness is just one aspect of many others
It's unimaginative and trying to milk franchises or old blockbusters movies
>Why are these 3 countries so much better than the US at making movies?
I exclusively watch South Korean movies. I'm digging it because they can get female and male characters right. The women are feminine without losing importance, the men are still men. Of course there are those emasculated drama actors but those don't usually appear in movies. What I especially like is that they are actually trying to tell a story instead of preaching. Hollywood was very effective in forcing priests and the church into oblivion. Now that actors think they are the new priests and started preaching they can go to the same place they previously sent the priests to. Into oblivion.
>The once great Japanese and the once fun HK are dead and gone.
>Yakuza/Samurai and Kung Fu flicks are gone
Oh noes. The one-trick ponies died
This
lack of cuckoldry agenda
This, but also he basically died in that scene. Internally I mean. He spended the whole movie boasting about being capable of knowing a criminal just by the looks, and then discovers that anyone can be the killer. The fact that the line is delivered from a child weights even more, since the child is innocent and see the world without prejudices. Then you think about his family in the previous scene and weights even more, since now he has so much to loss and perceive that anyone can take from him. Seriously the guy probably go back to the house after the final scene, kill his family and then kill himself, because now he is unable to live in this world.
>new world
A Prophet
France makes good kino too
name one in recent years
District 13
>Of course I've gone deeper than the most popular titles.
Go on then. Show us you're not a fraud.
I don't mean in recent years.
Persepolis was good though
Honestly I only really liked Queen Margot
>Only now I realise I must live with the burden of these memories.......... Memories of Murder
Thanks Bong Joon-hack
Does anyone have that image with the list of recommended Korean films?
>I've just watched Oldboy and now I know that US films suck!!
Watch these directors, just a taste of the brilliance US has offered the film industry for years:
D.W. Griffith
Frank Capra
Howard Hawks
John Ford
Nicholas Ray
Douglas Sirk
King Vidor
Robert Flaherty
Billy Wilder
Alfred Hitchcock (not just his most common films)
Sam Peckinpah
Robert Beavers
Peter Hutton
Stan Brakhage
James Benning
Elia Kazan
David Lean
Charlie Chaplin
Buster Keaton
Otto Preminger
Robert Altman
Orson Welles
John Cassavetes
Sidney Lumet
Jim Jarmusch
William Wyler
I doubt you've seen the entire filmographies of these directors, or even their most famous films.
>Hitchcock
???
>Recommending James Benning
>His post-50s filmmakers are all awful
Embarrassing desu ne sama ware ware
Le Fils de Joseph
Frantz
L'Amant Double
Lover for a Day
Jeune et Jolie
Un beau soleil intérieur
Bastards
Visages Villages
Camille Claudel 1915
Laissez bronzer les cadavres
Malgre la nuit
Barbara
All very good films, some masterpieces.
Hitchcock and Benning are both great, and Cassavetes is amongst the greatest directors of all time.
>Confessions (Japan)
man this one and that one where the girl was klled by the teacher because she was batshit insane are really something. what's up with Japanese schools and psychopaths?
>responding that hard to a meme
China, Thailand, Indonesia > Japan
A majority of the time, at least.
>New World
No one would dare attempt something like Oldboy in the west anymore.
Good bait.
Kurosawa is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. His movies are better than 99.9% of movies, period.
Of course they're better than 90% of American movies, but I can say the same thing about the top 10% of American movies.
You could not be a more pretentious entry level pleb.
I fucking love South Korean movies. Japanese too, but I haven't really found as much good stuff there post-2000 as I do from SK.
Never found/gotten into Spanish/South American stuff though. What's the best stuff from those regions?
Still only seen Ikiru (one of my favorite movies), Ran, and High and Low. I didn't really "get" that last one, or why it was thought of at least as highly as those other two. Still got like 5 other movies of his DLed that I need to see
us has been making too many shit movies though.
This is obscenly underrated.
This
>Kurosawa is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. His movies are better than 99.9% of movies, period.
LMAO
Kurosawa isn't even top 15 best japanese filmmakers of all time. Ozu, Naruse, Kobayashi, Oshima, Teshigahara, Ito, Imamura, Mizoguchi, Terayama, Yamanaka, Seijun Suzuki, Koreeda, Fukasaku, Ichikawa, Kinoshita and Itami are all better.
There are plenty of movies that aren't mentioned as much though. They make their fair share if crap, especially Japan but more often than in the US you'll find more worthwhile stuff. Something like Air Doll certainly stumbles along the way a bit with a few scenes that could've(and should've) simply been cut, but even do these hiccups don't pre end the movie from being really good. And there are plenty of non thrillers like Oasis, Tokyo Trash Baby, The Foreign Duck(etc), Secret Sunshine, The Spirit of Jeet Kun Do, All About Lilly Choo Choo, 3-iron and stuff that are either really good or incredible.
>Koreeda
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Yeah, Kurosawa is just too mainstream. He can't be that good. Unlike Ozu who is really unknown in Japan.
Bait?
I kinda agree that the rest are superior directors to Kurosawa (except Kinoshita, but I think it's respectable). From what I've seen from Koreeda, he doesn't hold a candle to Kurosawa.
My favourite spanish film is the day of the beast. I also enjoyed "la comunidad" and early Almodovar kinos
Any jp movies suggestions for what I can watch with my Japanese girlfriend? We've basically watched all Netflix has to offer at this point. I want something in the middle that we'll both enjoy.
Him, I can't agree with this statement. Kobayashi and Kurosawa is of similar level but Koreeda edges them out.
Crying Out Love In The Middle of The Earth.
>Be like op
>Watch a movie called Dad for Rent
>Really enjoyed it
>Realize it is pretty much the same as a ABC family film.
>Realize If it had been american I would of never given it the time of day.
Dumb weaboo.
Atame! Atame!
The truth is, once you've fully immersed yourself in international movies, it's impossible to enjoy or even consider watching a US-produced movie ever again.
No it's not you fucking pleb
Why I dont remember this scene
Bullshit.
nigga, did you just mentioned 15 japanese filmmakers and left the goat kihachi okamoto?
Fuckin perfect movie