TLJ fixed so that Luke doesn't die

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There you go, the movie is officially fixed.

Also, why was Mark Hamill at the European premiere of Batman vs. Superman?

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He voiced The Joker for years

Um no sweetie. He is a white male. He died and it's good.

those are some really shitty cuts, really makes you appreciate professional work.

>why was Mark Hamill at the European premiere of Batman vs. Superman?

The man knows his kino.

that's great and all but can you fix the rest of the movie too? luke dying was the least of its problems.

Joker isn't in BvS though.

luke trying to kill his nephew in his sleep over a hunch is worse than his death

He literally helped keep Batman popular with an entire generation.

Watch the MRA edit, that fixes the rest of the problems.

He literally did that? As opposed to figuratively doing it?

now fix everything else

why was radiohead at the last jedi

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at the time of BvS he was still doing Arkham games and about to do the killing joke

Yes, I used the word literally didn't I?
You fuck faced mental midget. That's the reason he is at a DC premiere. Deal with it you overweight faggot.

>retires from playing Joker with Arkham City where Joker literally dies
>still comes back anyway

Dude is never gonna let go of Joker. Hell, he's probably gonna cling even harder now that Disney's fucked over Luke for him.

That said apparently he's still enjoying the money because he's STILL doing press tours for Star Wars.

There was absolutely no legitimate reason to kill Luke. I'm convinced it wasn't even Rien-the-schlock's idea but rather Kathleen Kennedy's non negotiable decision from the day she gave him the job. This bitch hates men, it's obvious.

He'll be in episode 9 so he'll at least make as much as he did for TFA

There's a part in the documentary where they talk about how Hamill "never really understood why Luke had to die" and they proceed to not even attempt to explain why Luke had to die. So yeah, I don't think they know either.

neither JJ or colin trevalow undertsood why Luke had to die either

Hamill postulated that perhaps Luke teleported to a nudist planet so I'm thinking they may go with that angle in IX.

Have you noticed how soft-spoken Rian Johnson is? The guy is a complete pushover who will do anything he's told. Not like Ron Howard.

>rian has underestimated the power of autism
>the inevitable re-edit of his film

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>That said apparently he's still enjoying the money because he's STILL doing press tours for Star Wars.

That shit is contractually obligated. Do you really believe people get paid per interview or something during a press tour?

Neon Noir shows that it actually is possible to edit a mediocre film into something great so I have a feeling we'll see a cool edit for TLJ too.

He didn't underestimate it. He just doesn't care what autists think. I didn't expect Star Wars to get ruined so fast but it was already advertised so fucking much that I was tired of it before TFA came out. It felt like it's been 80 years of pure Star Wars

Which is funny because we haven't even scratched the surface. We are at three out of a planned TWELVE movies, not counting all the spinoff TV series that they will be making.

God, Star Wars ruined all the movie podcasts I listened to also. I am not looking forward to the next 5-10 years of movies. It's like the second TFA was announced it was literally all people could talk about, seeing people analyse a 30 second teaser with a 30 minute video. Kill me now.

Exactly, Mark never understood but Rian the soy didn't bother provide his brilliant explanation as to why he would have to project and die like a fart in the wind instead of just collapsing of exhaustion and not die or better, take a ship and come there by himself.

This movie is so shit a reedit won't save it. Why would one do such a thing?

Yeah, like maybe the X-Wing that he had in the ocean??? Seriously what the fuck was the point of showing it if not to use it.

He didn't say that randomly but because you see his robe on the rock. That means Mark really considered how they could bring him back and these bastard did everything they could to make it impossible. He's dead for good and can only come back as a ghost but who actually cares now? And why kill him just to bring him back?

needs a redub

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He could have come with Rey on the Falcon, and it seems there was inhabitants on that island, I'm sure there are ships coming in.

>And why kill him just to bring him back?
They killed Colin Firth in Kingsman 1 only to bring him back in Kingsman 2 because he's such a popular actor. Similar premise.

I can't believe they got away with uploading an entire fucking Star Wars movie on YouTube.

Exactly what I was thinking. I think Rian was so deluded that he thought fans would like his decision.

He was high on his own supply.

it wasnt a hunch obviously, Kylo ends up leading the first order. He saw he would end up with more power than even Vader had. Vader never was more than Sheev's puppet, Kylo is sheev now.

hes not "dead" though.

the claims of retcon when 9 comes out will be hilarious.

>Vader never was more than Sheev's puppet
"No puppet. You're the puppet." - Vader

Have you heard of the retcons they're already doing in the TLJ novelization to clean up Rian's mess? For example, apparently Based Laura Dern's shotgun only worked because the Supremacy was parked in a hyperspace lane. I'll accept this because Hux has not shown us a single thing resembling competence.

It kinda makes sense that they were in a hyperspace lane since the first order was waiting for them to run out of fuel or jump one last time. I also assume it has something to do with that tracking thing

>Hyperspace lane

That’s still fucking retarded. Hyperspace is extra-dimensional travel.

>Neon Noir
>"hurr I put drive music over scenes of the movie so it's kino now!"
That edit is a meme and you should be embarrassed for liking it

You should be embarrassed for not sucking my dick.

Hyperspace is whatever the fuck Disney wants it to be because they're the ones writing the new canon.

How dense can you be?

Rian is just a puppet, it's Kathleen who wanted Luke dead and castrated

The idea of hyperspace "lanes" is something thats existed from the original movie

But yeah the novelization includes a bunch of rationalizations for the Autists who overcomplicate space movies for children

>Fanboy Edit of Star Wars: The Last Jedi saves Luke. Here's why they're still pathetic losers living in a toxic past.

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Didn’t they also have it that Rey was stealing from Snoke and Kylo’s powers which is why she’s so retardedly powerful?

Disney brought this upon themselves when they made a trilogy that relies so heavily on the OT. It's not as if they're just rebooting it. They're intentionally leaving all that baggage there so of course people are going to be asking questions.

I think this is actually specifically why Rian Johnson wants his trilogy to be completely independent of Luke and co. So that he doesn't have to deal with people asking "But what about this thing?" He wants that freedom.

Huh, so she uses Vaapad like Mace Windu? That would explain a bit.

wasn't the reasoning behind killing luke the fact that his existence upstages any jedi that comes after him? i think i read somewhere that they had issues writing scenes with him and rey because they felt rey blended into the background each time luke came into the picture which is to say they are bad writers

>that spoiler
OUCH! They're gonna need some ice for that burn.

Hyperspace is a fucking concept that predated both Star Wars *and* Disney, fuckwit. It is and always has been extra-dimensional travel for the express purpose of not having to explain the sort of shit Disney is now stepping all over its own dick in a desperate and laughable attempt to explain.

If he’s not even a competent enough writer to draw a contrast between a defecting child soldier and a hotshot resistance fighter pilot, he’s already dead in the water. What’s more, he shouldn’t be allowed within 12 fucking parsecs of any story that relies on sci-fi conventions like a Hyperspace or time travel.

I’d have thought the retarded shit he wrote into Looper made that abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain. This dumb motherfucker can’t even spot his own mistakes when he’s the one pointing them out.

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They fucked up the Rashomon bit. Luke should have told Rey that he went in with every intention of killing Kylo. Kylo should have told Rey that he was fed up with Luke and attacked him by surprise. Then the reveal could be that Luke just poorly restrained an impulse, and Kylo misinterpreted it. Luke's been beating himself up for a decade over it, and Kylo just feels deeply betrayed.

Instead Luke looks like a sniveling old man trying to deflect blame for a mistake. It's not even consistent with the rest of his shit in the movie.

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I honestly find it a little offensive that people are suggesting that this movie was intentionally borrowing from Rashomon.

>"I occupy to walk first, is my wife."
>-"What?"
every fucking time

luke, I see a sliver of good in the father that murdered tons of people abandoned me and just met me 20 secs ago when he killed my pseudo father, was going to kill his nephew with a sliver of bad who he's known all his life

>“The three flashbacks were a late addition — one of the last things that went into the script before we started shooting,” Johnson said. “It’s similar to Rashomon, but the actual story motivation was that I wanted some harder kick to Rey’s turn: ‘You didn’t tell me this.’ I wanted some harder line that was crossed — a more defined thing that we could actually see — between Luke and Kylo.”

He wanted a Kurosawa bit so he could say he continued Lucas' shit.

I wonder if the novelization attempts to rationalize this.

If they had done it right, it could have been very effective. If Luke himself acknowledged that his greatest act was one of compassion for his father, and then he was manipulated by the dark side into contemplating a terrible act. That's the kind of shit that could drive a man into self-imposed exile for years.

But instead Luke isn't even a consistent washed-up bastard. In basically every scene he punks out in the most demeaning possible way, even when it conflicts with previous demeaning shit. Luke wouldn't deflect blame for igniting his lightsaber, if anything he would carry more responsibility than was actually his.

Also killing Snoke completely undercuts the significance of Luke's manipulation. A force user who could fuck with Luke Skywalker that hard has to be a serious villain, right? To turn the ultimate hero into a cowardly fuck? But then he dies and it means nothing.

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One thing's for sure. If I ever look at a film critic's review again, I will always go back and check what they said about The Last Jedi. This movie has really served to put their words into perspective.

true, but snoke is the type of serious villain who can manipulate people across whole galaxies and read their true intentions until they are literally six inches in front of him and everybody and their mother can read kylo ren's change of heart with their eyes.

Nani?The name and usage pre TLJ make it clear it's just an air lane in space.i.e.a good safe route.You could use hyperspace outside them,but it was dangerous on long distances.

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That mess just can't be cleaned without rewriting the current canon.They should have fired those women and hired Mike Wong,at least we wouldn't have bullshit like this.

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this is actually pretty dope

Respect to you for being technologically competent enough to find it yourself where most people would have asked for a link. And yeah it is cool.

Guys, I think we're missing the point. When they decided to do a new trilogy that still had to incorporate the old characters, they had a problem embedded within the series. How can anyone top the popularity of Luke, Han, and Leia? How in the world do you find a way to introduce new characters who should be lovable like the old ones, powerful and important like the old ones, whilst having the old ones still present?

The only way you can do this is the destroy the old characters. Normally in stories you can do this by making them grow old; that their usefulness is now gone because they physically or mentally can't handle it. But with a Jedi, they're basically strong until they die, so that's strike 1 against Luke. With Leia, her strength is not from the physical, but the combo of being a leader and having some force power. So, strike 2 against Leia. That's why Han was so easy to kill...he's just a mortal man, getting old.

I hate Rey, but I understand their problem with her. She's supposed to be the new Luke. But she can't be if Luke still exists. Since you can't really make him 'grow old', you have to destroy his character so that he becomes inferior to Rey. He has to make worse choices than Rey, he has to have less knowledge than her or be less open to new ideas than her. That's the only way that the audience is going to be wishing for Rey to beat the bad guy instead of Luke, which it seems a majority of fans where wishing for (i.e. Luke having a big showdown with Kylo Ren and beating him or something). When Luke's projection appears late in the movie, you're thinking, 'yup...he's going to kick major ass'. And....nope. Because if he did, then it would make Rey powerless and useless.

It's all planned.

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Consider what makes Han Solo popular. He rides with Chewy on the Millenium Falcon. Now, how do you destroy this? You make Rey pilot it and fix it better than Han can. What makes Luke popular? He's the eternal good, who learned his lessons well and is the most powerful Jedi left. How do you ruin him? You show him making decisions that show a dark side to him, you show him being afraid and cowardly, and finally you kill him off at the end.
If Carrrie Fisher had lived, I think they would have kept her to the very end, perhaps dying peacefully with Rey by her side, saying something like, 'you're the future of the resistance' or some bullshit like that. Passing the baton. Rey gets the Millenium Falcon, Chewey is still there, and everyone lives happily ever after.

The problem is that the fans don't want this because of how poorly written Rey was, how badly handled the older characters were, and how transparently obvious it is that this whole thing is a money grab. The best thing anyone could do is ignore it all. Don't go see Solo, don't go see Ep.9, and pretend like it all doesn't exist.

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Then why is Luke the one who saves the day in the climax? Why does the final scene emphasize Luke's heroism rather than Rey's?

mark hamill is absolutely based

he, shatner, and frakes should do a new sci-fi franchise. all three are sci fi legends

Mark Hamill said in the documentary that Rian Johnson didn't want to please the fans. He did everything he could to provoke the fans.

He doesn’t. He’s a horribly contrived distraction

which is to say 40 years later they still haven't solved the problem of how their protagonist is going to be a protagonist? Why not have luke simply die for no fucking reason like obi-wan, people seemed to accept that 40 years ago

Because they didn't have a choice. Even they are not stupid enough to completely destroy his character. They have to make him less useful than Rey, but still some recognizable version of Luke.

If you remove his 'heroism' at the end, if you completely ignore it or pretend like it doesn't happen, what would be your impression of Luke from the film? He's a powerless coward who fucked off to an island. A guy who tried to start a new school and failed spectacularly, turning students to the dark side.

The writers had NO choice, because if they went that route and didn't have Luke save the day, the fans would go apeshit more than they already did.

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Yeah god forbid he try to make a movie with a point instead of just making three hours of brainless fanservice

To save billions...

I thought it was stated in the film that she was only so powerful because she was connected to Kylo via the force, and HE was getting powerful

So you're just a baby crying he didn't get the Gary Stu post-rotj Luke you imagined. Got it.

>replying to reddit
user just stop

This would have been perfect, but here's the problem. When you do this, you get the usual critique of them copying the original trilogy. There are so many problems that compound in the way they wrote it, that it's hard to parcel out.

Here's what I think could have been successful.
1) Luke, Leia, and Han have to die in the first film. Maybe Leia and Han are assassinated, and their children survive somehow. They're still happily married. Luke gets there too late, and they all have one last scene together as the couple dies. Leia implores Luke to protect the children.

2) By the end of the first film, Luke has to save the day one last time, but dies in the process.

Then just write in shit in between to introduce Rey and shit, and you've got a moneymaker. Everyone the original fanbase cared about is dead, and now you can move on. Simple.

No, I'm just recognizing the reasons why parts of the fanbase hated this version of Luke and company. It's so absurdly simple.

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They should host a reboot of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction. I think Hamill and Shatner would be great at the art of asking a question, making a pun, and smirking.

um ok, but why was she connected to kylo to begin with? if she has no power of her own then what makes her important/interesting enough to have snoke connect her to kylo

Maybe she just happened to be in the right place at the right time? Snoke noticed that Kylo was attracted to this girl and decided to take advantage of it. I guess you could also make the case that they both feel abandoned by their families.

makes as much sense as anything they presented so far. btw do you think rey is eia's child?

You're mad Luke isnt the perfect Gary Stu you pretended he was and then deliberately ignore the entire movie is about proving how awesome Luke Skywalker is despite his failings

You wanted Luke to he boring and pure and serve no role in the story but to be super duper powerful and make no mistakes and be right all the time

>god forbid he try to make a movie with a point instead of just making three hours of brainless fanservice

That would be great,but what Rian did was making 3 hours of brainless fan disservice.

At this point is actually doesn't matter if she's Leia's child or not. Disney has been desperately trying to move away from the idea that the users of the force are genetically linked into a dynasty. They're trying to show that 'anyone' can be strong in the force, which was true from before but not as explicitly told. But they do this for a simple, real-world reason. Diversity means that everyone is equal, that no one is special. They're still pushing the idea that 'you too' could be a Jedi. But by pushing the idea, it makes being a Jedi less special, and that without effort or serious failure one can be just like Rey.

So, really, it doesn't matter if Rey is a Skywalker or not. They're trying to destroy the idea that being a Skywalker is important or relevant.

First, I'm not particularly angry...I've already been through that (when I first saw this wretched 'film'). What concerns me is that Luke had the journey towards perfection in the first trilogy; he should be a kind of 'obi-wan' version of Luke by now, good, not corruptible, and yet a little more mysterious than we left him. He doesn't have to be super-duper powerful, or be right all the time, but he has to line up with the development that we saw earlier. This one doesn't...he kinda falls off a cliff. While that's a nice 'real-world' touch to things, as it can happen to people, this Star Wars isn't about real problems...it's about fantasy, legend, myth. You have to understand that fundamental principle in order to understand why the characters in the new Star Wars are shit by comparison. NuWars isn't about archetype, it's about diversity. NuWars isn't about 'good vs. evil', it's about 'how do you define good and evil?'. While these are appropriate subjects for an indie movie, deconstructing a general type of film, it's utterly destructive to a simple story that is supposed to be aimed at children, as they keep on saying.

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They could have made a new trilogy without any of the old characters. They insisted on using them, as bait basically.

>a bloo bloo bloo disney feminists ruining muh star wars

fuck off

I'm not sure. There would still be enough of a fanbase wondering what happened to Luke, Leia, and Han. You can't really have a story about the force that takes place after the destruction of the Death Star without Luke.

I agree with you though about using them as bait, but in a sense that would have been a given. Star Wars fans really wanted to see their favorite characters on screen once again, one more time for old time's sake. If it works for Indiana Jones (apparently they're making a 5th one) then it can work for Star Wars.

You still haven't countered my argument. Are you postulating that Disney-run Star Wars has been a success, that is outstrips the original trilogy and prequels in its artistic integrity, it's visual spectacle, or the popularity of the new characters?

C'mon. Say something useful, contribute to the conversation with thoughtful analysis, and stop sounding like Pic related.

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>shows Chekov's gun
>don't use it

Expectations subverted.

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>Seriously what the fuck was the point of showing it if not to use it.
To show that it was well and truly fucked.

You know the worst part about it? The writers think they're being clever, genuinely clever subverting expectations. It's the cinematic equivalent of a quip. It has no value in itself, and has no existential meaning of any kind.

These are disposable movies, which is perhaps why it's so easy to churn them out 1 a year. That's another reason people hate them...and the subversion in the last one exposed how valueless these films really are.

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He's old

No, they had to kill him. If Luke is alive, there is no reason for Rey to exist. It's actually that simple. It would be like having Star Trek TNG as we've seen it, except Captain Kirk is now an Admiral, thrown forward in time, and he lives on the Enterprise and occasionally takes command from Picard when things get rough. You can't do it.

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