What exactly is this and why does everyone hate it so much?

What exactly is this and why does everyone hate it so much?

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Did you know that "cal" is Russian for "feces"?
Well, now you do know.

Literary destroyed the animation industry with its shitty art style

An excuse for mad nerds to poop their pants at everything

Favorite cartoons?

It acts as an industry gatekeeper, and has a reputation for loathing anime influenced artstyle yet giving a pass to everything else, and doing very little to teach it's alumni the fundamentals of dynamic animation and how to do visually interesting pieces on a tight deadline

Basically going there is like paying for a ticket into the animation industry. Some of their practices have become flawed, it's original intention was basically to train people to become Disney animators, but now it seems to be a school that you absolutely must go to in order to get anywhere in animation.

People who hate it generally don't know what it actually is

Its a breeding ground for liberal leftist retarded ideologues

that pushes and shoves anti white, interracial, faggotry and irrational feminism

See this post they're professional jimmy rustlers.

Where The Dead Go To Die

IDK, but John K hates it.

It's just a school that's close enough to Burbank that all the studios just go there to poach their future slaves.

I wanted to go to calart to become a animator just like the other animator that I admire.
Is there other great art school beside calart?

Holy shit, it's as if Dobson was a school.

Sheridan

It's a place that Sup Forums and the like claim is killing animation because supposedly every creator of every show they don't like went to it when none of them have.

Sup Forums is full of retards who don't know what they're talking about and decided to blame all of their issues with animation on some art school.

>california

that's it

They're responsible for that drawing style every cartoon has. You know what I'm talking about.

Do they had 2D and 3D courses?

Animation doesn't have the breadth of established educational institutions that things like law or medicine have. CalArts is sort of the "top school" for animation but the problem is that it's reputation precedes itself a thousands times more so than equivalent top schools in any field. The school itself does a poor job of teaching actual animation and is essentially a prep course for learning animation software and acts as a gatekeeper for anyone wanting to enter the animation industry. All it's competitors are also California based schools so there's no real incentive to go anywhere else because this is THE school for prospective Disney artists and others but it just does little to validate that title outside of it's reputation that's largely paid for by Disney's own legacy.

TL;DR: Pretty shitty school but you basically have to go there if you want to get into animation because there's no other real alternative.

Other animation school alumni: THEY TOOK OUR JOBS

/thread/

Hating Calarts and atributing an speciphic style to it is usualy evidence that you are retarded, and doesnt know what you are talking about.

Sup Forums knows nothing about the process of creating an animation, how the industry works, or what goes on the college.

Before anyone posts the gif I'm gonna say something. Yes, the head shape could be considered a problem, but in most shows it's only one character (sometimes a couple) with the head shape, especially Gumball.

Dobson is unironically better artist than most CalArts graduates. Dobson has SOME dint of knowledge of anatomy and shapes, in contrast to CalArtists' zilch.

Not really /thread/

Blaming the fall of the modern cartoon show on CalArts is shitty and inaccurate I agree, but the school has a shit ton of problems. They don't teach actual animation and essentially just teach software. Complaining about CalArts also leads to complaints about art education in general because there's no equivalent competition or alternative to CalArts if you want to get into animation. If you wanted to be a lawyer you could go to Stanford, Harvard, Yale,
Chicago, Duke, etc. and maybe some schools would be considered better than others but none of the top schools would be what keep you from having success as a lawyer. Not true in animation, if you didn't go to CalArts you're basically screwed and will need to have a substantial amount of luck to have the same amount of success as the average CalArts graduate.

Sup Forums says Calarts when they mean/should say Adventure Time. It was AT what popularized the depthless, super-stylized, noodle-armed artstyle that became the standard of the industry. Yes, Calarts, riding the coattails of AT, began prioritizing teaching that artstyle over teaching fundamentals of animation and allowing for experimentation, but at its core it was Adventure Time that turned the medium into what it's become now.

you mean flapjack and chowder

>Hating Calarts and atributing an speciphic style to it is usualy evidence that you are retarded, and doesnt know what you are talking about.

Please tell me you're parodying an average Sup Forums user. I refuse to believe that this sentence is intentional.

It's bullshit because CalArts is a short drive away from all the major studios in LA, so if you go there, you can get hired without even trying, while if you live in, say, Georgia and dream of being an animator, good luck.

Flapjack and Chowder were predecessors that didn't have any major industry impact, AT is what made people actually flip out and start to mimic the shit out of that style.

I REALLY want to get into animation. But I already went to college and recently quit grad school.

I'm more passionate about improving my art than anything I've ever done before in my life. I like working with my hands and making stuff I like more than writing memos. If I worked a day job and spent a year or two improving myself, while maybe attending some community college art courses, what are the odds of a 25 year old making into CalArts undergrad animation course? Is it THAT hard to get into? I know you need to make a sketchbook and a portfolio, and the sketchbook doesn't look to be all that complicated but I'm more worried about the portfolio. I'm also assuming the online examples I've found are from people who are really proud of their work, enough to show it off in video format. Would getting into CalArts be a pipe dream if I've really determined about it or is getting in actually that hard?

Chowder and Flapjack had some detail, if only in their background (the former) and the design of their monsters (the latter). And neither had half the success and influence AT did at its apex.

Basically, Adventure Time was/is the Halo to Chowder and Flapjack's Unreal and Quake.

Nigga, the "calarts" meme is compromised mostly by shows not made by people who studied there.

Pen Ward literally worked on Flapjack
Every problem with AT's artstyle can be traced back to an older show. Fact.

As you can see Sup Forums is retarded and don't get that the current animation look is product of ajust to budged and tools that producers requirer to cheaper production and safety. They think that the teachers of calarts literally teach people to drawn geometric shapes for body parts and beany mouths, when in fact this is required by the major channels to do most cartoon in the same style because it make easier to share assets, creators and designs between a show and another.

This is not the style of the artists, it's not the style of current CN, Disney or Nick. It's just the cause of animation being almost dead and making less and less money. It's a dead end! Normies and critics will never take it serious

I was gonna rebuttal saying
>Not algonquin
But both are on strike so fuck it all.

Do you know that Sugar tries to NOT hire people from Calarts right? Including people who barely ever worked in animation, so she isnt "gatekeeping" anyone.

The result is the shit in your screemshot.

You're never going to be an animator if you don't do your own research.

Seth MacFarlane went to some school in Massachusetts, he never attended CalArts.

>This is not the style of the artists, it's not the style of current CN, Disney or Nick. It's just the cause of animation being almost dead and making less and less money. It's a dead end! Normies and critics will never take it serious

Fucking this.

And you can see how stupid Sup Forums is because a quick click to ceck the actual art style of the people who work on these shows usualy has nothing to do with the show itself.

>Animation doesn't have the breadth of established educational institutions that things like law or medicine have.
I can tell right there that you're full of shit.

Yes, I was not denying that. Flapjack was an important predecessor but AT is what actually had the major industry impact. While Flapjack was undeniably the root cause, AT is what actually grabbed people's attention.

All the big name schools are in California, and most big name animators went to CalArts. Stanford is a good law school but not literally every single SCOTUS or federal judge went there and not ever single lead physician went to Harvard or John Hopkins. When one school has the name power that CalArts does it's shitty and as a result CalArts doesn't really have to push itself to produce quality alumni like the Ivy leagues do with each other.

Why don't you try hitting up some of those Calarts students and alumni from those online portfolios instead of asking a message board full of people that don't know anything?

I don't know any, and I like the honest answers Sup Forums gives. If it's literally so competitive that no one on Sup Forums have experience with it then that also answers my question.

But you said it yourself
>online examples I've found
It can't be that hard to find some contact info based on that. Don't expect Sup Forums to provide you any honesty or a non-cynical response.

Is two of the crewuniverse went to Calart

CN/[as]'s main offices are in Georgia dude.

But I'm interested because I'm not some artsy dude who has been doodling in his journal since grade school or who who ate lunch in the art room and did art stuff his whole life. If I ever got in it'd be by the skin of my teeth after a year or two of effort I imagine. The people who get in and then are so proud of their application that they make videos of it aren't the same people like me or will be inherently better by the time they graduate solely because they didn't know that art was their passion at age 14.

Online references are fine but I was kinda hoping someone on Sup Forums would at least have applied and failed to get in so I can get a grasp of how good you have to be.

I would honestly prefer calarts over fucks like zuke.

It's a toll road into the animation industry

I can see you tipping your fadora from here

>trying too hard

Fuck that hack

>It's just the cause of animation being almost dead and making less and less money. It's a dead end! Normies and critics will never take it serious

Ever consider the possibility that western animation has cornered itself such a rut because corporate studios don't have the balls to give creatives the right to make risks?

That and the gaming industry is pretty much replacing animation at this rate, since you know, it had the balls to expand and evolve outside of its initial kid and nerdy teen target demographic.

It's a dead end because the people at the top are cutting off all of the other optional roads. Now it's reaching a status where things may be too late, so the only option left is to take a Japanese otaku-esque approach when it comes to attracting other target demographics.

>Ever consider the possibility that western animation has cornered itself such a rut because corporate studios don't have the balls to give creatives the right to make risks?
Oh boo hoo, why won't Disney or Nickelodeon run explicit lolicon/hentai shows? So unfair.

Nice strawman argument.

They had the option to take the video game route (securing a teen & young adult target audience at least,) but they didn't. So now the situation's kind of fucked.

>mfw meredith gran teaches at SVA
>meredith "I ripped off Scott pilgrim's artstyle for 10 years and can't draw anything besides amorphous cutesy blob people" grab

No wonder all the shorts from there lately all look like octopus pie.

What do you think happened with Chris Savino? They knew where he was taking the direction of animation and that he had to be stopped at all costs, even if it took a setup sexual harassment claim. :^)

Or take 70s Hollywood when directors had near-total freedom and produced masterpieces.

>Ever consider the possibility that western animation has cornered itself such a rut because corporate studios don't have the balls to give creatives the right to make risks?
This is exactly the case. The truth is that animation is a not the kind of medium to get into for people who want to get rich quick. Walt Disney pushed his studio into serious debt just to get Snow White made. Would any media executive dare to do that nowadays?

Cal arts is a school in California where it was once used to actually teach animators to get into animation industry. But however, the practices are flawed, people start coming in from art classes and vocational school that no one knows how to draw actually decently. So sooner or later Cal Arts became more or less everyone's own little pretentious school on how to be a world class animator.

It's the reason why Max G is a shit tier person when it comes to business transactions.

It's the reason why shit art is on the internet and tumblr users thinking that putting a skin condition = a better character all of a sudden or somewhat relatable.

Sleeping Beauty almost drove Disney bankrupt.

...

Its essentially like buying nepotism

calarts grads dont get jobs and their own shows based on talent, but based on the contacts they bought by going to cal

Can you name all the shows currently airing on cn that were created by calarts graduates?

To everyone saying it is THE animation school you have to go to, isn't SAE pretty decent too? I'm an Ausfag and they have campuses here and pretty much everywhere else in the world compared to CalArts which is only in Burgerstan, given, the SAE here is supposedly really shitty, hardly no one graduates and it costs an arm and a leg to go to...plus the results I saw at one of the open days were literal 5th grader on Newgrounds tier, but I heard that the burger and euro campuses, are pretty well renowned?

Also Studio Mir's staff, Mir at least as SOME dirt of knowledge about anatomy and shapes, in contrast to Cal-Art's' zilch.

Also to quote John K.

>In a post Studio Mir world it's sicking that nobody is catching up to them, seeing that Voltron:LD is only $90,000 per episode and Lego Elves:SOED being less then that. You think that studios would be catching up to them as was the case with Disney in the late 20s (this is what killed off Felix the Cat in 1930), Warner Bros in the mid 30s and TMS in the 80s but instead of doing the right thing (catching up with Studio Mir) they shit all over the industry by making the 70s look like the 50s.

All they doing is making Tex Avery & Bob Clamppet turn in their graves and the only way to stop it is not only to catch up with Mir but put them to shame as well as stop ditching the animation over seas because at 12,000 won/$12 a hour at least there is no reason to outsource.

In general, any for-profit school, especially one that franchises itself like that or The Art Institutes, is going to have a mediocre to poor reputation.

>being this pleb

Stop being retarded, user. No one wants to make a cartoon that isn't for kids or isn't some poorly animated adult humor cartoon like Family Guy and that's the problem. No one is willing to try and tap into other demographics like said. No one is willing to make a serious cartoon for adults. No one is willing to make an edgy and violent cartoon with a rating any higher than PG for teens. No one is willing to do anything because of this archaic "muh cartoons are for kids and adult cartoons can only be comedy and have to appeal to the lowest common denominator of normies" shit. It's why anime is beating us in terms of popularity by a country mile these days, we could have people actively producing and TV stations airing shit like HBO Spawn as we speak but we don't because this industry is too afraid to take a chance like the gaming industry and like most other industries. It's not about wanting to see hentai tits, it's about wanting to see good high quality art made.

Anime would've fucking died decades ago if it had stuck to just being for kids. We're just lucky that cartoons became mostly a burger-produced thing and had companies like Disney. Consider that.

>It's why anime is beating us in terms of popularity by a country mile these days

It's really not. I know you spend your time around weebs so you think that means that anime is more popular, but it's not the case. Your average normie is more likely to watch rick and morty than my hero academia.

Because nobody wants to risk going bankrupt for animation. Animation is expensive, japland gets away with it by cutting a lot of corners and barely paying their animators. There is not enough of a market for serious adult cartoons, maybe that'll change soon, but right now normies will not go to see a serious animated film.

Hi john k
johnkstuff.blogspot.ro/2010/01/cal-arts-style.html?m=1

I actually went to that school a couple weeks ago. It's a very chill environment but not to sound like some right wing asshole, it was REALLY liberal and left leaning to the point of which that if you even say one wrong thing, you'll get kicked ASAP.
But like everyone else is saying here, it's pretty much mandatory to go there if you wanna enter the animation industry.
I might get shot for saying this, but I'm think of applying there and if I do get in, I'll keep you guys updated on what it's like in there

> if you even say one wrong thing, you'll get kicked ASAP.
it sounds more like you're paranoid
>it's pretty much mandatory to go there if you wanna enter the animation industry.
not even true, you're just a retard who parrots what you read on Sup Forums

>if you even say one wrong thing, you'll get kicked ASAP.
What the fuck? Exactly how serious is it? Like if you called your friend a retard passingly as a joke would they boot you?

there's no proof that that user is actually right, can you find ANY case of something like that actually happening?

>not even true, you're just a retard who parrots what you read on Sup Forums

Does anyone know any other decent animation schools then? Have any of you been to animation schools or at least applied or been to open days? I'm and I only have experience with SAE and TAFE. If any other ausfags are reading this; do not go to SAE. TAFE is less than a tenth of a price for a better education and without the stupid trimester bullshit.

But are there any other good schools that anyone knows of in burgerstan?

>No one wants to make a cartoon that isn't for kids or isn't some poorly animated adult humor cartoon like Family Guy and that's the problem
Yes they do, otherwise Studio Mir would of never been founded.

>No one is willing to try and tap into other demographics like said.
Already done, it's called Voltron:LD and it's market is nothing but teenage girls & young adult women because "Girls watch anime, Boys watch old theatrical shorts from the 40s & 50s as the 30s are far more selective.".

The fact that Mir has not done a adult comedy for men (ie. emulating Tex Avery & Bob Clampett with no anime in site) is sickening as it will be Mighty Mouse all over again if Mir were to ever do that.

>No one is willing to make a serious cartoon for adults.
Only for TV, look at features and you will find a treasure trove of gold by ex-Ghibli staff and Chizu.

And Ghibli itself as well once Miyazaki comes out with his next feature.

In short, avoid TV and everything that has a TV show tied to it and only do features, you will be much happier this way.

>No one is willing to make an edgy and violent cartoon with a rating any higher than PG for teens.
DC made but loads of PG-13 DTVs but just being edgy and violent is immature and thats bad, you can be extremely mature and only top out at PG at max (see Tiny Toon Adventures How I Spent My Vacation for proof of this).

>No one is willing to do anything because of this archaic "muh cartoons are for kids and adult cartoons can only be comedy and have to appeal to the lowest common denominator of normies" shit.

If this was true then John K would of never bother entering the industry and we would of never got Mighty Mouse back in 1987.

>It's why anime is beating us in terms of popularity by a country mile these days.

No, people are jumping ship because anime still uses construction, Porky Pig 101 is fixing that however.

I don't know. I'm not from America and your socio-political situation is seemingly extremely hostile. I can't tell if that is a thing that could genuinely happen or not.

You know, you can always try Canada.

CalArts is a massive punching bag for Sup Forums to let their anger out for it "killing" western animation.

Similar to how people thought Flash or Toonboom killed traditional frame by frame animation. (it didn't)

Simply going there guarantees a successful career in animation. Every other art school is a total waste of time but people never really learn this until after they graduate.

just googling the wikipedia pages of the creators for the shows airing on CN proves that "you need to go to calarts or else you can't work in animation" is pure garbage. this is 5 fucking seconds of research that you're too lazy to do.

You just have to enter the building and walk around for a couple of minutes and I assure you, you'll get that vibe.

Games are just as (if not, sometimes) more expensive to make than most animated productions now (excluding some of the bigger 3d animated movies.) And yet, the gaming industry has become such a giant phenomenon that's it's overthrown the movie industry in terms of global success and power.

The anime industry made the fatal mistake of refusing to globally expand their target audiences to international levels and tastes in the 90's and 2000's. Instead, they only retreated inward, eventually leading to the disgusting otaku & fujo pandering bubble that encompasses most of their industry today. Not that otaku pandering issues weren't always there, but they blew their chance to grab new international markets by over-saturating in pandering markets that specifically appealed to their own culture and their culture only (IE, a giant rise in SoL anime in the late 2000's for example.) TL;DR - Japan can't into international marketing or appeal to save their fucking lives; it's also what lead to their gaming industry's gradual decline after 6th console generation era, leaving the western gaming industry to completely overtake it.

>i'm a paranoid maniac and it's the school's fault

>Games are just as (if not, sometimes) more expensive to make than most animated productions now (excluding some of the bigger 3d animated movies.) And yet, the gaming industry has become such a giant phenomenon that's it's overthrown the movie industry in terms of global success and power.

you're talking about a different medium. what works for one medium is not going to work for the other.

No they are not, Williams Street is in Georgia and Adult Swim is there but even those guys fucking hate SCAD which is slightly over a mile away

Not him and not that I don't disagree but he does have a point. You gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette. If you look at the cartoons from way back in the day, from the early 00's to now, you will notice a significant difference and there is a reason for that.

With the shit I've been hearing there by Hasbro employees I wouldn't recommend that at all.

(You)
Continuing from >We could have people actively producing and TV stations airing shit like HBO Spawn as we speak but we don't because this industry is too afraid to take a chance like the gaming industry and like most other industries.

But heres the thing, we don't want HBO Spawn, we want Tex Avery & Bob Clampett; Do you even know what people will do to get Friz Freleng-tier quality back again?

youtube.com/watch?v=M-KoCuLVtJU

>It's not about wanting to see tits, it's about wanting to see good high quality art made.
Also anvils, mallets and wild takes as well.

AND THE RETURN OF FUNNY ANIMALS (ie not furries) BEING THE MAIN FOCUS! NOT HUMANS (unless they're Popeye, and Betty Boop of course)!

Oh god, it's you.

>Already done, it's called Voltron:LD

Nah, not really.
The show is clearly written with children in mind; with teenage girls and adult women being a sizable marketing surplus - but not exactly the "main course," if you catch my drift. And it shows in its light-hearted, breezy writing where even the 'serious' events and plot scenarios are sort of brushed off and forgotten. If anything, Avatar: TLAB did a much better job in this regard, because its serious scenes and scenarios were actually, well taken seriously. Even then, a lot of its older female fan base is really only in it for the fujo-baiting/gay baiting material and some of the main cast, or so it seems. I don't really see most of them care about the actual plot, like fans did for Avatar:TLAB.

Not to mention, a lot of modern animated shows are aiming for this sort of consumer appeal tactic where they're trying to appeal to both casual kids and a older, niche "core" online target demographic (other examples being Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Regular Show and etc.) And this new tactic is slowly growing.

But yes, I'll agree that Studio Mir (in general) is a step in the right direction. A small step, but it's something.

>If you look at the cartoons from way back in the day, from the early 00's to now, you will notice a significant difference and there is a reason for that.

Because they were animated shorts sold to theaters as part of a package. These packages were the only way to actually get movies, so theaters had to buy packages which included things that they didn't want to pay for (like animated shorts) but had to buy to get the things they actually wanted. Once the whole package thing stopped, theaters had no reason to buy cartoons anymore, so they stopped getting made.

Millions of people think like this, relax.

Also Famicom hates Mir, this is saying nothing but good things about them.

And yet nothing about stuff like this in this day of age.

They get to have the time of their lives when we suffer from it, thank god for Porky Pig 101.

Man, I really hate threads like this because I am always reminded that Sup Forums knows NOTHING about the industry or how it is working in animation.

Honestly, Sup Forums is only good for some few storytimes and to talk about fetishes