JSA Storytime: Man-Thing

Good evening owls,

oh why not

so what was good today

other than getting /fit/ and finding out that Osama played Naruto vidya

...

Deathstroke is like the only thing I read these days, fun again though

(I opened my downloads folder and this jumped out at me, so this is what we're getting tonight)

Wait, that was real?

And Stray Bullets was fantastic.
In that Lapham has been experimenting with readers perceptions the past two issues and it's executed brilliantly.

Deathstroke was great as usual

The Batman book by the euro guy was surpisingly good too

Yeah the CIA has it up on their site. Probably a not insignificant amount of that is from the kids that were living there though.

The Cap thread is a great example of alt-righters being the most fragile snowflakes of them all.

it was totally real, although to be fair we don't know if he was into it or if it was for the children in the compound

>yfw this is how many a Chick Tract starts

>so what was good today
Batman: White Knight was pretty. Unfortunately Murphy already announced that he'll stop working with writers soon and will write his own stuff exclusively, which is worrisome.

I read two pages of Neal Adams Deadman and my head exploded so tell me *why* Jim Gordon was inspecting a nuclear plant?

Ah that makes sense.

And now I want a Man-Thing chick tract.

Ah so he's one of those creators who are up their own butts.

At least Tim Sale pairs off with Loeb when he wants his art to accompany shit writing.

Also I got into the argument which is this: if a writer pitches/a book is published as "one of X"/"trilogy"/etc., is this an implicit agreement with/promise to readers that means anger is justified at failure to produce?

I learned that people apparently don't what what an elseworld is, and that Lois Lane should only sit in an office and wait for news to come to her.

Imagine if Sale had been the artist on Ultimatum.

They aren't alt-righters, those are people who consume videos about SJWs ruining comics en masse, and they got so paranoid that they see propaganda everywhere.

>it was a substitution jutsu all along

Yikes, that doesn't sound pleasant.

No?

Nightwing was OK as usual

Cap was a pretty decent start but the best part was people desperately trying to find something, ANYTHING to get upset about


Also
Good: Zircher on Trinity, might start picking that up!
Bad: Booth now on Action, so I'm dropping that!

I mean, sure, there's a brick fantasy series I've been waiting for the last book of for 20 years now, but it's an interesting question. I tend to view it as "shit happens, but it's a great way to lose your fanbase". And I won't even touch unfinished comics by a number of people because shitty endings/waits/etc.

Aye.
Sadness/disappointment, sure.
But shit doesn't materialize sometimes.

I‘d say it’s reasonable to be disappointed if the trilogy ends up not happening but unless you funded it on kickstarter or something there is little reason to get too worked up about it.

All too true.

I remember the day Disney let their rights to John Carter lapse. Goddang.

The availability of e-copies and self-publishing and back catalogs make it less pressing than the "you mean the library has only which books out of which?" of my youth

I guess the modern parallel is, though, who's that chick who's started like three different webcomics, got some funding/following, and then will never finish them ever?

I like Zircher‘s art but it’s gotten really stiff in the last couple of years.

>making it this far on Action

There was one more phase of Zenith we didn't read but Zenith is a non-character and it ends with Peter St. John tricking the villains.

To add to comments about Ruby last night user who talked about it being unrealistic that normies in that universe wouldn't believe in flying women is totally on the money. The series really suffers by cut-and-pasting celebrity musicians and never addressing Zenith/the originals being famous for being superheroes once it gets into actual superheroics.

Swung round on St. John though. Making the most dangerous superhuman the old conservative who subjugates or destroys any new trend is pretty legit IMO.

>Adventure into Fear with the Man-Thing

Not sure if Porno, or book advising teen boys on how to be less nervous with girls....


Hey OP.

It's fair to be disappointed, but shit happens. You shouldn't expect anything not officially released.

I don’t know her name but you mean the Hanna is not a boy‘s name chick.

You're looking for "Giant-Size Man-Thing".

And yes, Marvel editors were aware of what that sounds like.

Tess Stone? Kickstarter or equivalent kinda changes the equation IMO.

Ah, that's it: Tess Stone, "Hanna is not a boy's name"

Lemme tell you there's a hatedom out for that woman

I have read nothing today. Got home late, McLunched, and had supper straight after getting home.

Going to simulread this and Dugguardians.

I've never been that into series which HAVE to be read a whole rather than in their single installments, so maybe I'd feel different about it in those circumstances.

But I mean, you can get pissy or give up on an author but it's massive entitlement to think you're due the book. What if they'd died?

Relevant similar case, but there are some spooked fans that Lapham will go on another hiatus and we'll never reach the 90's in Stray Bullets.

Agree there.

I did have the very nice experience that someone who was 2/3 into a trilogy and the publisher went tits up ended up crowdfund producing the last book because dammit, it was an unfinished story.

in the infamous 20-year case it's hard because it was depression/etc., but then it was also "Hi fandom, I'm never going to tell you what happens after this brutal cliffhanger, but come buy my new book, okay?"

Jennifer Kale, did you escape from a Chick Tract? Is Man-Thing about to lecture you about how Catholicism is basically devil-worship?

Deathstroke was good as usual, Priest's take on the Secret Society was great

Justice League was better than I expected

I want to fight you irl

this passes the "would look cool airbrushed on the side of a van" test

I couldn't empathise with people feeling entitled over this kinda stuff, until I was looking for "Winds of Winter" updates on Gurm's livejournal for half an hour and instead got blogposts about how lavish his last 10 convention tours were. Now I can. A bit.
Never felt this over a comic though. It's pretty sad, most of those authors are shooting themselves in the foot with their laziness. Especially people that can do really well for themselves based on their more talented partner, like the case of Cameron Stewart sitting on Morrison's Seaguy script for some reason.

Speaking of Priest and JL, I am really curious how his will go.

Hoping editorial doesn't destroy it lol.

But Matt Wagner is finally finishing Mage, OP.

Gotta say I do always appreciate, if the ending isn't going to be written, the author at least summarising the points & where they were going. Gives some closure.

The December arcs all sound like filler until DClock does the status quo shit, so I hope that means he can tell his story without too much interference.

yeah, his JL sounds interesting and I like Woods' art

the pre-salt from people who hate Priest because of Lazarus Contract is just a bonus

It sounds like he has some interesting ideas.

I remember when I first read Loeb's Challengers mini and he said "we're already planning a sequel and should get it out by next year!"

And I was like...well, that must have sucked half a century ago for fans of this.

>when the "It's not a blog, honest" blog goes from 4 to 200+ updates in a year and most of them are about football, conventions and pizza
GRRM is a master troll.

I have a lot of sympathy for "better late than shitty" but there does come a point in time where it's like shitting knives but you have to do it. Was just reading the Rothfuss thing--realizing your drafts are not what you thought they were is painful.

it's so beautiful

I'd also settle for, in the 20-year case, her just saying "Okay it's never going to be done" and dumping what exists of her (apparently) scanty notes instead of oh every five years insisting it's being worked on.

Still waiting on The Widening Gyre: Part 2!!!

I already gave up on A Dream of Spring and have lost almost all hope for Winds of Winter ever coming out.

Repeatedly leaving projects unfinished causes me to avoid writers wholesale.

to be fair lazarus contract was not good and having worse writers than priest and 20 artists didn't help

well, he wrote them before and it was pretty boring

Or like Quantum Leap where they took the last episode and cut it enough to get the gist in.

I gave up on GRRM quite a while ago and now look very carefully at promised things to see if they're likely to happen. Willing to throw some extra money at people who prove dependable.

If we actually get A FAR CRY I might die happy, even though the previous book ending was a bit cliffhanger-y, it also could work as an ending

GoT is a special case for me because the individual books are increasingly not good and the plot and cast are plainly too big for the author but it's the character loyalties and intricacies that make it stay compelling. One of the reasons the show is less interesting is because it simplified that.

Zenith was a useless tit even when he was a character, so I'm fine with leaving it where we did.

That one's 100% Porno. Adventure into Fear with the Man Thing could easily be a health class film short with a terrifying animated penis explaining puberty.

The way he talked about his pitch and the way he wrote the Society in today’s Mr. Stroke is making me hopeful for his run.

it wasn't good but it also wasn't bad enough to declare Priest untrustworthy and bad forever

Is Columbia House still a thing in any capacity?
Is there anyone who didn't buy into it, at least once?

>GRRM is a master troll.
I honestly want him to post something like
>My doctor said that I have to watch what I eat or I'm gonna have a heart attack. Shame that I love pizza too much, lol.
People would freak.

It doesn’t help that the characters with the obvious plot armor are by far the least interesting.

IMO Zenith was also a case of how far you can go on style and then how the lack of solid think-through shows when you expand outwards

Where does the sliding timescale of Warren Ellis' computer failure come in on all this unfinished stuff?

One of the biggest problems with GoT, IMO, is that the longer the series went on, the more characters Martin killed that actually made the plot move forward.

Shit, I'd completely forgotten THAT one

> computer failure
ahhh, what the kids call alcoholism these days?

Tbh I have been avoiding Ellis due to his tendency to be late as fuck with his stories. It’s a miracle Wildstorm has stayed on schedule...so far.

Martin's reputation as ruthless is really overstated thanks to the big first book tweest, which was much more radical when the book first came out than now

That said, I've read at least two books in the past year or so where I was genuinely "buh?" at a major character death, because they got all this page space and plot and then lol see how cruel the world is

They link up a few loose ends in the final bit but yeah, it really starts to space apart from itself.

6 Month lead time.

Don't worry. His deadlines will start slipping, true to form, any day now.

I really hate it when writers off characters for the sake of being shocking.

WHICH is why I could never get into those Malazan books, the near-complete (albeit gutsy) disregard for shit like "this plot is going to do something remotely satisfying and you can follow the structure of the book"

Apparently he has had to postpone the last book of a trilogy because the previous two sold like shit because it was 800 pages of philosophy wank, who knew?

Gerber's narrations here are a bit like a more rough and succinct Omega. Sort of works, since Man-Thing itself can't precisely think only feel.

In one case it felt like deliberate shock from a very edgy standpoint, in the other it's just bewildering to me because why would you spend all this time on a thread you cut off, although who knows, the metaphysics of the world may allow reincarnation or some shit. But published books typically aren't fanfiction where you can be as self-indulgent as you want.

Stewart is by far the biggest faggot in comics.

Fucking ridiculous that Man-Thing gets an isolated existence in the swamp all to himself and yet I, equally as debased, have to go to work and pay bills and shit.

>Martin's reputation as ruthless is really overstated thanks to the big first book tweest, which was much more radical when the book first came out than now

I wasn't really calling him ruthless, it's more that as things stretched on, characters either died or settled into a rut that didn't really move the plot at all. Dany spent how many books in Meereen? Arya got how many pages of training, an ocean away from the plot?

That's totally fair. It's more that people often pitch the books as "zomg so shocking compared to epic fantasy" which isn't true any more/was questionable in the past

Invent a broken Super Soldier Serum, die injecting yourself with it, and become a braindead muckmonster then, user.

>WHICH is why I could never get into those Malazan books
Please never do it. I bought all 10 Malazan Book of Fallen books at once, off someone who read it and wanted to sold the lot. First few were fine but I couldn't got past book 7 and dropped it in the middle. Series got so dense and poorly written that I never plan to finish it. I'm not even interested in reading the summaries to see what happened later.

if you can't finish a series i think you should be like "hey won't finish this but a b and c happen" but understand that can't/won't always happen. Generally I side with the author's bullshit though. And if they're good the books that come out are good enough stand alone even if the final goal isn't hit

but I read The Dark Tower as a finished series and The show has messed my perceptions of ASOIAF so much. Like knowing there will be the cliffnotes version helps me out and smooths any irritation

hype for Fire and Blood tho

o hi thread

I hate talking about the fantasy genre on Sup Forums or desu anywhere. Too many niggas think it started and stopped in 1954.

He's not that isolated, about ever other issue is some about rube fiddlefaddling around in his swamp.

I honestly got in on the books because of the show, but speeding through the between the first two seasons left me feeling so unsatisfied that I also dropped the show.

he fucked himself with writing out the time skip instead of ya know skipping it

Haha, Wheel of Time tho.

Yeah, he really ought to have gone with the time skip instead of writing so much 'time skip' material that he lost interest in the series.

IIRC He didn't want to write the hassle of backtracking to readers what had happened in the time skip

I got through book one and then just couldn't get into book two in part because the "fuck incluing" strategy was just too much. Yes, I know you're an anthropologist by trade, yes I know how history is more complex than simple narratives, but you're writing a fucking book with wizards in it

I'm trying and failing to think of something, in literature and comics, that has had a nice and well-written wrap up for most of the characters in recent memory.

As someone who started WoT when there were 3 books out, at least that reached a reasonably satisfying ending and I can set it aside and say "is done"

The Power Pack oneshot is actually a clever way to test the waters for a mini or ongoing, someone at Marvel actually used their brain for once, I am impressed.

People in real life live isolated in the swamp, user

I heard he was doing so many flashbacks and eventually was like "Fuck it might as well just do it"

it's weird because some stuff you need the time and space (Brienne's arc) and some that's obvious time skip stuff (Stark Training) and some that's a mix (Dany and Jon)