Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

How do you feel about being canon now?

This is acceptable. Please post more if you have any.

She was originally mixed, so who cares. She didn't turn into a white read head until the 80's cartoon series.

what am I canon to, shitposter-kun?

Explain.

Who cares, post ALOPEX

The new TMNT cartoon will have a black April.

I remember an interview with either Eastman or Laird where they plainly state she was based on one of there black ex-girlfriends. So yeah OP, Its always been canon.

>TMNT
>Having canon

What issues is this from? A tales book that was came after return to NY no doubt.
She not black. Shes not mixed. She was always a white chick... and then she got the perm.
No. This is just false.
April was named after one of his GF's, but she was never mixed race in the comics, ever.

I'll give it a pass if she's sufficiently cute

>She didn't turn into a white read head until the 80's cartoon series.
>posts a panel from a book that was released in the 90's
>probably not even born until the 2000's

How big will her ass be? This is important.

Shes cute... but shes not April.
Why fucking change her race? Forced diversity much? Maybe black people should create some compelling characters of their own who are black.

Its from Tales #7.

Holy fuck this is cute and adorable. Source on the artist?

as seen above in the thread: she was black (technically mixed, but looked black) in the comics

I guess Kevin Eastman forgot what color she was when he colored this page then?

Perfectly fine with it, better a black woman be violated by mutant turtle semen than a titcow redhead. I'm fine with Lois Lane being black for the same reason, better a black woman be violated by alien Kryptonian semen than a woman with the rare genetic traits that Elizabeth Taylor had.

>Change it to be Accurate to Source
>Waah,It's not April
>Change it to a new character
>Waah, it's not April

>Black woman spending her free time covered in filth crawling around a maze of sewers with a bunch of sewer living degenerate mutants.

Well, at least the realism fad in children's media has finally gotten somewhere... because that's already the case in most places.

No, this is a cover of issue 2, 3rd print, and released in 1985.
Clearly she is a big titted redhead. Not mixed or black.

The "April was originally mixed" thing has been a revisionist lie that has been going on for like 3 years now but has only gained traction in the last year.

Its not so much "mixed" as "kept flip-flopping because the creators could never agree".

Well... as someone who has read Mirage TMNT since 1986, it's bullshit. I don't do anything Cowabunga Pizza Turtles related anyway, but give me a break. Call me when they give the turtles the Mirage treatment and we have revenge back on the menu.

Cite one source that has the creators saying she's mixed.... just one.
Eastman did a lot of the color work. He never made her black once.

It's apocryphal (i.e. a flat out revisionist lie), there's no published materials of original canon April being mixed in the comics that predate her being white.

I'm not saying she was ever drawn mixed. I'm saying one issue draws her straight black, another has her white. Because Eastman and Laird never once agreed, and to this day the story keeps flip-flopping (Kevin named her after his black girlfriend, Peter imagined her as Asian or Irish, Mark Bode made her black on his own, Peter always intended for her to be white, and so on). We'll probably never know for sure.

The being she has appeared black before, so why is it an issue for people now?

No, we do know. In the original publication, she is white. That's the genesis of canon. You can say whatever afterwards, much in the same way that you could argue the height of the TMNT, but it's a disingenuous approach to use later interpretations as a means to muddy such a clear cut black and white (pun very much intended) discussion.

Beats me. Who cares.

Now making Raph leader and turning Leo into Fonz, THAT is a reason to be mad.

>black girl wants to fuck animals

Believable

Agreed. Raph is not leadership material.
He is the hot head. Leo is the leader, its part of his personality. He demands perfection of himself. He is highly disciplined. He is always reaching for the pinnacle of his abilities.
He is not "the cool guy".

Huh, pretty cute. If they keep this level of cuteness then yeah, it'll work.

The 80s cartoon turned Baxter Stockman into a white guy. Turnabout is fair play.

Boco is right for once.

Everything associated with Cowabunga Pizza Turtles is offensive to me. So yeah, no surprise they fucked that up too.

Depends. When was it colored?

Prior to November of 86 when the collected colorized versions were released.

So that's before the cartoon debuted, for sure. But is before it went into production?
My question is "did the non-comics media impact anything and if so how much so".

not actually accurate. Yes April was based off of Eastmans gf who was asian and i believe black. BUT theres a lot of confusing stories. Many stating she was given the name o'neil specifically for whiteness sake. Also some differing drawings made people confused but it seems pretty true that there's ambiguity but ultimately she is considered white

Not sure about this being white

I assume they'll grow into their more familiar roles over the course of a season or two, it's just they don't want to do the classic Scott vs. Logan... I mean Leo vs. Raph dynamic right out of the gate.

They made Baxter white once so I don't see how this is a problem

Dude's been a lot of things. He's used to it.

The only color I have an issue with, is the color of the fucking headbands. Can we go back to all red now please?

>Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
More like Raphael and the TMNT.
But even that show got better as it went along.

He's been a fly,cyborg,brain in a jar, black, Tyler Perry and a robot with a hologram face.

My words exactly.

Ah so it’s a definite drop then.

This time around they have a legit reason tho

Which is?

But it's always white girls fucking animals in beast porn. Not that I would know of course.

She was black before I guess

Needs lewds.

Pretty much
She was originally drawn as black, so there is a legit precedense

it does not come out of nowhere

I'm just hoping to see one day a TMNT cartoon as edgy as the comics.
I'd love to see more western adult animated action shows.

a reboot can change whatever it wants as long as the most basic set up and names are the same

She was never originally drawn as black... holy fuck did you even read the Mirage run? Look at her and then look at Stockman. Which one is black?

She's a cutie.

>Raph leads
>Leo is the cool guy
But yeah... they are basically the same.
Other than the total deviation from their established personalities.

Yes, why nobody talks about that? Those are the main characters, yet people argue about April being black.

Because current year.

The question is... wht make her black? What does it bring to the character?

Nothing? Why should it?

>What does it bring to the character?

It makes her closer to the original comics

Well we got this picture out of it so I'm liking it so far

Fuck you and your bait

You guys are arguing about petty shit while forgetting the real question: how long until black April porn?

Look at that afro-ey hair and African lips—she's clearly drawn to be black, regardless of how it was colored later

>The being she has appeared black before, so why is it an issue for people now?

Because alt-right, basically.

Nice. Cute af. If she really existed I'd legit dump my gf for her.

>The being she has appeared black before, so why is it an issue for people now?
POCs appearing in media threaten me personally

This was a known and acknowledged artist error.

Nothing, really. But it doesn't take anything away, so, as far as changes go it's pretty irrelevant. Now, the change between Leo and Ralph is something we should be concerned about.

Cute. At least she's not fat and lesbian.

She's super cute and I can't wait for the porn. People against this are either homos or Sup Forums.

>All this damage control and attempts at saving face.

it's a contested clusterfuck that April was always intended to be black

give it a rest

Let's hope that they just switched Raph's and Leo's name by mistake, because it makes no sense at all

It wouldn't be the first time. Didn't that happen in the Turtles movies too with the theme song?

This.

Yeah, they did, but it doesn't change anything. From what we know their personalities are completely swapped (I'm suprised that they didn't switch their masks yet) and why was it needed?

Just because Morgan freeman has old man freckles and liver spots, doesn’t mean black people have freckles.

Why not just give her another name? Just remove April completely if you so desperately want a nigger to take her place?

Reminder that no matter how bad new TMNT is, it can't really get any worse than TMNT already has been in the past.
Or can it?

Unless they form another band.

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I guess they were trying to innovate. There are a lot of iterations of the TMNT that follow more or less the same formula; maybe they thought it needed a fresh outlook. While I find that questionable at best, I can't blame them for trying something new. Maybe it'll work, and if it doesn't, changing back the dynamic could done relatively swiftly.

>doesn’t mean black people have freckles

they do though

Trying something new is never bad as long as it logical, but it really isn't. The picture here is a great evidence that Raph is not suitable for the new role.
And of course it will work. I mean, they just swapped their names, but different personalities are still here.
You know, that already started with a bad note, so I have really low expectations.

Nah, it's just nice to actually have a delicious brown character a lot of us like, and that is arguably canon, without racist fucktards screaming about muh racelifting.

>doesn’t mean black people have freckles.
>Black people can't have freckles

>doesn’t mean black people have freckles.

The absolute state of Sup Forums

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>You know, that already started with a bad note, so I have really low expectations.
Well, that can only be benefitial. It won't hurt as much if it's bad and you'll feel better if it turns out to be good.

kek

he has nice eyelashes

god this
I'm just happy there will be at least a tiny bit of cute black cartoon girl lewds spike out there