Why are the Amazons such evil bloodthirsty monsters...

Why are the Amazons such evil bloodthirsty monsters? How are these people supposed to be noble and an example for men when they're just as bad as Ares?

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Don't amazons know morals?

One of the events that was immediately ignored and is most definitely retconned. Thank you based Manhattan.

Remember when people claimed the Amazons weren't mass murders/rapists prior to New53?

What event is this?

Amazons Attack.

Bees. My god.

honestly it´s a shame that there never has been a wonder woman comic were a clam, caring, friendly wonder woman goes form one dimension to another to whip out all amazons for constantly starting wars.

Isn't this the "Bee Weapons"-event?

They're feminist icons so bloodthirsty monsters suits just fine.

Not canon

injustice kinda had that

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Because comicbook writers are hacks?

Especially when they are writing comicbook "Events"?

Wasn't there two similar events based on this general premise at different times by DC? Of the Amazons being cunts and going to war with mankind for one reason or another.

Amazons Attack was in regular continuity and was incredibly dumb, so it was ignored by most other books. It was also a tie-in to Countdown to Final Crisis!
When Flashpoint happened the alternate-amazons were also evil

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They even did a "what would a film crew make the amazons look like in a WW movie" story before

Flashpoint's premise was that the whe world was wrong with Amazons and Atlantians fighting a world war.

Don't let Sup Forums see this

>The world already fears my people.
Which is a bit silly since the Post-Crisis Amazons do not have the hilarious super tech their Pre-Crisis counterparts did. Kinda makes the whole invasion itself a fat load of bullshit to begin with.

Pre-Crisis Amazons even had a space fleet, with which they fought wars against the mechanical warriors of Pluto. Because comic books used to be fucking awesome.

Can you give me a run down of Amazons Attack? I've always heard of it but never bothered to read it.

Because they are often written by loosers, who are afraid of women?

Don't bother. The less you know the better.

It's a dumb conflict based on misunderstandings and illusions that could have been avoided if a few people just sat down and talked to each other about the truth.
Now, if only there was a character who had the ability to force the truth out of people.....

Someone could give you a much better rundown, but damn was it a stupid event

*Improved

>Amazons Attack was in regular continuity and was incredibly dumb, so it was ignored by most other books.

It was impossible to ignore it since it was tied with so many other books at the time including a Wonder Girl mini. But most importantly it was hyped by DC as the first salvo in Countdown and you had Granny posing as Athena imprisoning the greek gods, the resurrection of Hippolyta (after she died in OWAW) and the scattering of the Amazons.

Is it that bad? Worse that Cry for Justice/ Identity Crisis?

a note often left out is that it ran the same time as the green lantern sinestro corp war which the majority of fans treated as the real summer event.

SCW was the tits.

Even worse.
It was supposed to be a WW-lead event.
It ends with Super-wankery (sorta, not really) & Bat-wankery of the worst caliber.
Not only that, somehow Granny Goodness is responsible for all the dumb shit?

It is THAT bad.

It's better to understand the reasons for it than the actual plot which is paper thin. But coming from the success of Infinite Crisis (and its various tie-in minis) as well as 52. DC sought to replicate the success on both fronts. Amazon Attacks was originally an idea Rucka had of the United States and Thermyscira going to war with each other during the lead-in to Infinite Crisis. Of course the idea never happened (since he was busy and couldn't actually get the idea to work to his satisfaction) so after 52 editorial sought to reinvigorate WW after both Rucka's run and the slog of Allen Heinberg's delayed WW run reused the idea, but a) lacking a lot of the original context snce Amazons had left Earth before Infinite Crisis and b) employing b/c-list writers unfamiliar with the WW property or comics in general. This along with the desire to tie everything into Countdown (the pet project of Didio's) basically created a clusterfuck.

>somehow Granny Goodness is responsible for all the dumb shit
Is this when Granny was disguised as Hippolyta? That leaked out in a lot of books like Green Arrow.

Seriously, it's like the writer was deliberately ignoring the Lasso or straight up forgot it existed. The fucking thing can dispel brainwashing for fucks sake.

To go on a tangent, Diana has always seemed like the in between when it comes to Trinity powers. Clark has the god powers, Bruce has gadgets and training. Diana has both god powers as well as gadgets and training. The issue is that in the many misguided attempts to force her into this "like Superman, but with tits" role, the latter is neglected over the former. Like, if you need her to tank a hit from super strength, just have her block it. Y'know, with magic bracers bracers. Hell, the movie even gave them that weird shockwave thing, there's less than no excuse.

No, I think she was Athena or another greek goddess.

Still, it was a shitshow.
It actually makes me weep for the WW fans, and for anyone who had to read such stupidity.

Her being disguised as Athena was literally the last page twist.
I completely forgot that Batman was able to neutralise Circe by reading a note that Zatanna left him

Amazons Attack was an idea that Dan Didio just wouldn't let go of. The story goes that some version of it was supposed to happen before/during Infinite Crisis but was cut because there was already enough shit going on with that event. Then after Crisis they wanted a big event for the next summer and somebody said "hey, let's recycle that 'war between the US and Themyscira' idea we rejected" even though the setup was gone, and Amazons Attack was the result.

At the time, DC thought they could replicate Johns success with anyone so they gave him the brush off with SCW and for most of the summer he was thinking of going over to Marvel (and even hosting an event with Bendis). Then all the shit with Countdown hit the fan and the rest is history.


They are basically along the same lines. Editorially mandated crap. Cry For Justice was just as bad (it was going to destroy all the fiction cities including Opal/Central/Keystone leaving only Metropolis/Gotham) and Robinson supposedly took the job so they wouldn't rape his precious Opal City.

>Circe in disguise frames Diana of some crime
>she voluntarily gives herself up to the gubmint and is put in a special jail
>suddenly Hippolyta inexplicably comes back to life back in Themyscira
>starts acting completely insane and violent and working with Circe, the Amazons most hated enemy who has butt fucked them countless times before
>none of the normally peaceful Amazons have any problem with this
>declares that America imprisoning Diana is an act of war
>immediately sends the entire army to Washington DC and starts slaughtering people for no reason
>Diana confronts Hippolyta but even though she could detain her in one nanosecond, Superman "rescues" Diana by taking her away for no reason
>Diana discovers that, surprisingly, Circe has made this whole scheme to destroy the Amazons
>Amazons continue to commit atrocities and war crimes for absolutely no reason
>BEES
>Batman and Diana use deus ex machina to stop Circe from mind controlling Hippolyta and save the day
>turns out Circe was following Athena's orders all along
>but Athena also declares that the Amazons have displeased her by being violent assholes and banishes all of them
>ends with the twist that Athena was actually Granny Goodness in disguise and this was all some sort of pointless scheme to get the Amazons to become Female Furies or some shit, be sure to read DC's Countdown on sale now!!!

Huh, so it's just the setup for Final Crisis?

>Pre-Crisis Amazons even had a space fleet, with which they fought wars against the mechanical warriors of Pluto.
Pluto as in the planet or Pluto as in the Roman god of the Underworld?

The giant bee weapon of the Amazons is hilarious, because its less dangerous than a swarm of regular bees.

You can't fucking dodge a swarm of bees, or shoot them with your gun.
And their giant bee venom takes HOURS to kill someone, when there's natural wild animals who's toxic juices can kill you in minutes no problem.

Shit-tier weapon.

How can you be a God when you aren't even a planet?

No. It's part of Countdown to Final Crisis along with Salvation Run and Death of the New Gods. But Final Crisis doesn't deal with any of it other than the New Gods died.

Should have just used the purple death ray.

Never read Countdown besides a few parts (like where Ray goes to the "utopian" earth and gets Barry, Jean and Ralph killed) and where Mary turns insane. Salvation run was pretty bad but it was worth it to see Vandal try to rape some villainesses.

As in the planet Pluto. Pre-Crisis Wondy was kind of gloriously insane. Again, Amazon space fleet.

Man, I'd love to see that stuff reincorporated into Wondie's mythos the way Superman and Batman got a bunch of pre-Crisis stuff reincorporated into continuity after Infinite Crisis.

She really got the short end of the stick there, and after Jimenez put so much work into bringing that stuff back.

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Seriously, the Purple Ray, Invisible Jets, Science Island, Kangas, all sorely missed. One of the reasons I liked WWEO is because all of that was present and without shame. Clamshell hoverbikes. Because this is superhero comics, where wackiness should be embraced, dammit.

Men conceptualized morals, without men women would act the exact same as chimps their "morality" would depend on their feelings at the moment.

except Earth One was a pile of shit

It was a nice island

Does Wonder Woman like to chuckle, or would she rather flex her muscles?

>those buildings

The story wasn't that great but the concepts and the intention behind them were good. I'm more confident about vol. 2 which looks like it'll be less up its own ass and more about telling a good story with strong and memorable moments.

They're made out of the invisible jet/Wonderdome. The idea was to at least have SOMETHING come out of the shitty Eric Luke run.

I was talking about the shape of those buildings, actually.

I think it's pretty cool. After 3000 years of isolation you'd think their culture might evolve a little past basic Greek architecture.

They are power thirsty whores

They didn't have an enlightenment or scientific revolution, why would they have any advanced technology or architecture?

Because they're a culture based on intellectualism, the arts, and self-improvement, living immortal lives with no war or strife for thousands of years?

Of course you could also explain that this could lead to cultural stagnation with no need for technological advancement and no contributions from other cultures, which was what they said post-Crisis. But both explanations make sense to me, so I can buy it whether they have Greek architecture or unique architecture.

>enlightenment
>evolving past greek&roman architecture

Look at this idiot and smirk.

So's your mom.

Calm down Diana

The Amazons aren't Greek/Roman. They were a completely separate culture that happened to arise at the height of ancient Greece. The only had Greek architecture/weapons because that was what existed when they were created and built their city. If they had lived another hundred years before being exiled they probably would have developed their own stuff.

You can see this with the Amazons of Bana-Mighdall who, after branching off from the Amazons, became nomadic and adopted elements of Greek, Egyptian, Persian and Arabic culture before settling in one spot, and they never advanced scientifically or culturally because they embraced warrior culture over intellectualism.

Bana-Mighdall even looked like Azz/Chiang's Themyscira, being a dirty shithole with the technological level of Dark Age Europe

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The Amazons were a culture based on war. That is pretty well attested to in the ancient sources/mythology (since they are a reflection of the Greek Warrior Culture of the Greek Dark Age after the fall of the Mycenean Palace Culture) .

>That is pretty well attested to in the ancient sources/mythology
These aren't the historical Amazons. They were specifically made by WMM to be a SUBVERSION of them-- worshiping Aphrodite instead of Ares.

Are the Amazons still a bunch of barely magical savages like they were after FP?

Every Amazon should be fucking gassed.

There are no "historical amazons". The Amazons were a Greek construct and a reflection of their own warrior dominated society that was celebrated in their oral traditions that survived in their mythology and the Iliad. WMM's ideas are ahistorical and a reflection of his own sexual perversions.

No. They're back to more or less the Perez version.

Don't be a faggot, you know what I mean. They aren't the mythological versions any more than Kirby Thor is the Norse myth version.

>WMM's ideas are ahistorical and a reflection of his own sexual perversions.
Yeah a society based on peace and intellectualism is totally a sexual perversion.

I'm kinda surprised that some of the original characters that were thought up for Flashpoint never made the transition to the main continuity

>No. It's part of Countdown to Final Crisis along with Salvation Run and Death of the New Gods. But Final Crisis doesn't deal with any of it other than the New Gods died.
yeah it's kinda hilarious that pretty much the only thing that happened during Countdown that mattered was the New Gods dying, and even then Final Crisis ignores the actual specifics regarding that

The only thing I remover from countdown was how god awful it was with superbly Prime going full rage and vaporizing a pregnant women before destroying the earth

He was actually right, like 100% right in that they needed to be wiped out for the sake of humanity.

Final Crisis might be the only event that is harder to understand if you read all off the tie-ins and lead up

>I'm kinda surprised that some of the original characters that were thought up for Flashpoint never made the transition to the main continuity
It was a hastily thrown together event made to justify the nu52 reboot.

>Why are the Amazons such evil bloodthirsty monsters?
They're females. Females have no moral compass.

>It was a hastily thrown together event made to justify the nu52 reboot.

It wasn't.

bleedingcool.com/2015/02/14/original-plans-flashpoint-convergence/

>Originally, Flashpoint was supposed to do what Convergence is doing now, becoming a holding place, a band aid, for books during the originally planned move of DC Comics from New York to Burbank, which was then delayed until 2015. At the end of Flashpoint, the books were originally going to continue as normal without the reboot, and Multiversity was intended to be born from Final Crisis.

He's not entirely wrong. It wasn't conceived as a New 52 launch, but it was made into it at the last minute.

Amazons are inconsistently written.In some runs they are a wacky magic female utopia, other runs they are bloodthirsty monsters and in sometimes they are somewhere between utopia and dystopia.