Will western animation ever have a chance to move beyond being children entertainment only...

Will western animation ever have a chance to move beyond being children entertainment only? Or is the stigma too big at this point?

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Rock & Rule was pretty great.

We need to make Ralph Bakshi do one more movie before he kicks the bucket.

Have another Sausage Movie. You’re welcome!

Yes, if the enchanted version of this sells well enough at retail.

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You're an idiot, sausage party is exactly the problem. If an animated movie or cartoon isn't for children, it has to be as edgy as possible to tell the audience "NOT FOR CHILDREN XDDD". I just want animation to become a medium just as any other in the west. Japan could do it too.

He already did.

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Adults don't want that, they want intelligent and mature funny animal comedies like Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry.

Porky Pig 101 is starting to fix that however.

what a shame the full soundtrack will never be out other than a cassette rip
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Believe in Laika, OP! And support their films if you aren't already doing so.

I hope the writing improves for this next movie.

Do you not pay attention? Of course it has. Adult normies eat up almost any cartoons nowadays because A: Nostalgia, B: comic book movies and C: Kids love it

If anything it's edgy sausage movies and Seth Macfarlane that are the cancer killing cartoons. Everyone else on the internet is just an autist bitching about normies enjoying what they feel entitled to.

It already did once, in the mid-2000s when we got a bunch of top-tier animesque shows that everyone could enjoy. But the anime craze ended

As long as mature isn't used badly.

Boxtrolls and Kubo were trash

I don't see why they need to move beyond being family entertainment (enjoyable by both children and adults).

>Joke
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>Your fat retard head

That's because you're a manchild

Probably not, selling stuff to kids is pretty profitable and theres always going to be more of them.

if you want an animation you'll have to look toward the country of wine, frogs and smelly cheese

>No, if you want an animation made after 1969 you'll have to look toward the county of video games, automobiles and electronics.

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News flash, we don't want this; We want this.

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I feel like it might change if there was a "big hit" which set a precedent. I'm sure all the adult comedies are partly because of The Simpsons' popularity. Also, does anyone wish this would go the other way? We need more good Children's anime like Ghibli movies and Future Boy Conan. Are there any modern kid's anime worth watching?

wtf is this?

Triplettes of Bellesville
Same guy did The Illusionist

>Are there any modern kid's anime worth watching?
Just Hamtaro, Mirumo de Pon, Secret of Cerulean Sand, Princess Tutu, Twin Princesses of The Wonder Planet, Ojamajo Doremi, Onegai My Melody, Kirby Right Back at Ya, and Animal Detective Kiruminzoo, the rest are just ads for something.

Maybe LilPri, The Ichigo era of Aikatsu, and F-Zero: GP Legend.

There is no such need to West to make interesting cartoons, because it have big television companies and film studios that have enough money to make live action show from all pitched ideas.

Why make Flash cartoon if we could have Flash tv show?

No, not with Studio Mir around.

It is less of a stigma in places like France but don't think that will ever happen where you live until Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks, Illumination, Sony, etc. are not the only studios people are going to watch their movies from.

Someof these studios want to make more adult movies, (ike this one: youtube.com/watch?v=tmU1_Ou90Z8 ) however it's allways money in the way.

yes but the entire film industy needs to crash first, which thankfully should be pretty soon

Because we want diversity in the medium and more mature an headier themes being presented in films

>to move beyond being children entertainment only
It's never been that way. Not to mention "move beyond" implies and improvement, and being adult is not an improvement.

Spoken like a true manchild.

While our Disney was satisfied with family-friendly fare, Japan's Disney (Tezuka) was making some dark and complex stories for adults as well. That's why Sup Forums has something for all age groups, while the west is stuck mostly with kidshit.

It's less about stigma and more about appetite. You can make mature animation but unless it's comedy no one is going to watch it. No one wants it. You won't make any more.

>people who knows nothing about animation history

Walty always made sure to appeal to all ages, and said that the time when the company made a movie that can only be apreciated for children, would be the time that they are dead.

>someone spent time making a mashup gif less hot and smug than either character originally doing their fingerwave post

smdh

That's why there are so many sci-fi and fantasy anime. Japanese studios don't have the budget American ones have to pull most of that off.

Hannah Barbera killed any chance of that ever happening.

>Actually got around to watching Sinbad and Road to El Dorado finally tonight

>mfw what happened Dreamworks

Sinbad in a Greek myth setting was weird though

Spirit was their last good movie.

They tried with Anamolisa, yet that had to be crowdfunded, and Paramount released it in less than 500 theaters, not even turning a profit.

At least it became the first R-rated movie to be nominated for Best Animated Feature.

Taika Waititi is developing a stop-motion Michael Jackson biopic from his chimp Bubbles' POV.

Disney definitely tried to branch out in its early days with more experimental stuff like Fantasia, but nobody cared at the time because all the adults were taking their kids to see Dumbo instead.

>Kubo
Kubo while lacking in story had some amazing kickass fight scence, visually it was incredible.
Banaya, Chi's Sweet Home, Sun and Moon, Nyanbo! and Yu-gi-oh! (all except 5DS)
>We will never get a Disney version of Ode to Kirihito

Like what? A lot of animated movies already explores dark topics. You're an idiot with no knowledge of what you're even talking about, yet expects an entire medium to change on your whims anyway.

Am I the only one here pretty content with exclusively watching kids shows? I have little interest in 'mature' animation or media in general, which is why I'm on Sup Forums and not Sup Forums or Sup Forums.

It's weird, but I do kinda agree with you. I think people assume too readily that "more mature" equals "better" but I don't think that's so necessarily true.

Japan is slowly educating westerners to appreciate animation, and the process will speed up with the increased exposure on Netflix. Western animation can't ever recover on its own, but when young westerners have been fed adult animation for years by the Japanese, the acceptance of animation as a whole will grow, and eventually there will be a market for western animation too to make mature stories.

Why animate a mature movie when you have e the budget and acting talent for live action? There's no reason to make more "mature" animation when the story can be done with n live action with real people. Normieshit aren't going to gaggle at how nice a drawing is, they want to be immersed and true immersion happens when the events look as realistic as possible (live action). Japan has an animation industry that's diverse because their acting talent is shit and they don't have the budget to make the elaborate live action movies America can. Animation thrived out of necessity and costs

>normieshit aren't going to gaggle at how nice a drawing is

meanwhile cuphead went platinum within days of release

Say what you will about shows like Bojack Horseman and R&M, but at least they're warming up normies to adult cartoons.

I definitely think there's a problem when shows have to substitute "kill" for "destroy." It's ridiculous.

>cuphead
>Nobody gives a fuck about vidya, especially a shit Contra clone that's only famous because it apes the "golden age of animation" style.

someone's upset

Nope. Just stating some undeniable truths:
- Cuphead is garbage in a pretty shell.
- The U.S. animation industry will NEVER escape its "kiddy garbage" reputation. EVER.

Pretty much this, I don't know what's with the attitude in this thread that 'kids/family stuff == garbage'

I'll never understand why anons always think crashes are like magic cure alls.

On topic though, mainstream audiences think Family Guy when they think of adult animation, not something like Lastman. And as much as people bitch about wanting something orginal they never support anything that goes outside the norm unless it becomes trendy to do so.

Plus they can't dump their shitty kids at theater at adult movies like they can for something like Trollz.

Because it's true. "Kid's stuff" is synonymous with unintelligent, schlocky, base writing.

>I'll never understand why anons always think crashes are like magic cure alls.
Because they are. You have to raze and demolish it before you can build something new in its place. Otherwise, you're just adding unnecessary garbage on the surface.

Cuphead's animation is a novelty, it's popular because it's hard in an era where every retard equates a hard game with good

Sure, but who is going to be the one building something new? There's no guarantee that the new guys in charge aren't going to be worse than the last. Look at Marvel for example, the bankruptcy did lead to some good things but now they're falling into the same mistakes they did before.

That just proves that Marvel should have never recovered from bankruptcy. If what you build isn't better than the previous version, just raze the new one and leave it dead.

Then you understand why crashes aren't as foolproof as argued.

It's not about them being "foolproof." It's about utterly destroying something that needs to seriously die, like the entire entertainment industry (Marlel included).

Cartoon in the West is only in two categories. Children, or "adult comedy". That's it.

Where's the West's Inuyashiki, Cowboy Beebop, Psycho Pass, or even Ore Monogatari?

Nah, there's easier ways to fix Marvel than an industry crash, Disney is already cleaning house and some of the biggest cancer is already jumping ship.

No that was Filmation, please understand.
Chi's Sweet Home is not a kids show and Yu-Gi-Oh! is a ad for cards.

You may have a point Banaya & Nyanbo! but you can do much better then Sun and Moon as OLM should be doing something like Akira or Ghost in The Shell with the talent they have rather then wasting it it worthless kiddy fuller.
The Simpsons & Futurama will like to have a word with you.
No, normies want construction in their cartoons.
Whats Opera Doc will like to have a word with you.
1.That has been debunked, just because it's not Super Mario Odyssey does not mean it's garbage.
2.Yes, it will, it just needs Bugs and Daffy in order to do it (I appreciate Wabbit/New Looney Tunes for trying, well I might add but adults want construction).
Also said kids/family stuff is much more mature then most adult cartoons.
No, Adults think of Looney Tunes, pre-code Fleischer (alongside Popeye, Superman and the 2 movies they did), and MGM when they think of cartoons.

Real Disney (1923/1928 to 1966/1967) in some extent but not so much post-code Fleischer (except for the above), Famous (except for Popeye & leftover Superman), Lantz (unless Tex Avery, Shamus Culhane and/or Dick Lundy are involved), Columbia/UPA (except for Gay Purr-ee due to Chuck Jones' involvement and the 2 shorts directed by Frank Tashlin) and Terry (regardless that Paul Terry was one of the founding fathers of animation.
Adults don't want that, they want Buckaroo Bugs, Duck Rabbit Duck and Dumb Hounded.

Animation outside of the US is widely regarded as being for all kinds of subjects, kids and adults alike.

It's the US that has that issue. And when they make adult stuff, it's most likely "durr stupid sitcomy setting and jokes".

There are exceptions of course, and I'm actually a fan of older animated shorts and movies for adults from the US, but we're not getting much of those now unless you really dig for it from indie guys on the internet.

Canada have their same issues especially cartoons funded by the government.

Ironically uncle Walt never believed animation should belong on the children ghetto and constantly pushed his artsy fartsy projects. The problem is that kids got bored or scared with that shit and animation wasn't cheap. Allegedly Roy, Walt's brother, was seriously piss off with Fantasia and that's what the first time he didn't support him. They say Walt said on 1966 that if he has 15 years more, his work would overshadow everything he did before. I wonder if he was boasting or he was foreshadowing the rise of the fanboy market.

>It's the US that has that issue. And when they make adult stuff, it's most likely "durr stupid sitcomy setting and jokes".
Porky Pig 101 will fix that.

This is rare. And a minor nitpick that changes nothing.
Only in your head
But that's wrong.

Don't worry. Movies will be all CGI one day whether we want it or not.

Your Name will like to have a word with you.

>like what

Not even a weeb, but something like Eva. genuinely mature content with interesting themes. When was the last time a show like that aired on television or a film similar in American theatres?

Kids cartoons aren't inherently bad but their themes have to be simplistic to be fully grasped by the target audience, meaning that it won't produce any intellectually challenging contents for adults.

>Evangelion
>Genuinely mature

>Chi's Sweet Home is not a kids show
It's a inncoent show about a cute cat, I've seen every episode it's a fucking kids show.
>But the manga is seinen!
Doesn't matter manga genre's are assigned based on the magazine it was published in Chi just happened to be published in a seinen magazine. Same reason fujobait shit like Black Butler is shonen, or cute romances like Horimiya is shonen

Adults would probably enjoy Chi as much as young children. I mean, think about all the cute cat videos on the internet, Chi being for adults makes enough sense.

Adults want Sylvester not Chi.

Sylvester shorts are great but those with the kangaroo being mistaken for a giant mouse, really ruined his character.

they were all trash

>diversity

back to Tumblr with you!

>Adults don't want that, they want Buckaroo Bugs, Duck Rabbit Duck and Dumb Hounded.
Healthy adults don't watch such cartoons. Autist virgins are the only ones who think these stuff are made for adults.

Right. Because Europe is producing cartoons that can actually compete with anime. Or American cartoons, actually.

What a shitpost.

A lot of younger people are eating up anime and shit like Bojack, so you'd just have to get into that market.
And it's not like you need to cause some big cultural shift in the way people in America view animation. It's not like if you go to Japan and start talking to a random person on the street about the best written anime that season theyre going to have any idea what the hell you're talking about.

>Adults don't want that, they want Buckaroo Bugs, Duck Rabbit Duck and Dumb Hounded.

Adults want heroin and Mexican hookers

Adults want to have a stable job and not dying of preventable or treatable illness just because they can't afford the prices.

Proper adults want family, job, existence. Sup Forums virgins watch cartoons and anime or play video games.

You are projecting hardcore here.

All it takes is one. Look what happened after The Simpsons.

I'm a huge Looney Tunes fan, to a point where I know that the name "Quentin Quail" is a reference to jailbait, and that the missing line in Baby Bottleneck is "don't touch that dial," and that the original title of Mouse Menace looks like pic related (sorry about the black and white print).

But I can still like anime too, and other things beyond just my obsession. Watching you turn something I like into an anvil to drop on people's heads... really? really?

Western animation has only been really childish in recent times.
During and before the 90s, loads of cartoons were pretty mature and serious.

*cof*cof* Waltz with Bashir *cof*cof*

>adults don't have hobbies and interest
underaged

We;'ve all seen Chi user, what makes it a kids show
Something appropriate for kids is not the same as being a kid's show.
Is anything without blood gore and sex a kid show to you?

They were still made for kids, user, just because they were mature and serious doesn't mean their primary target demographic wasn't kids.