/urg/ Upper Right General

The alt-right is no longer a politically viable platform. Its tenets have been polluted by trolls, shills, and unnecessary racism. From its ashes will rise the Upper right, an authoritarian offshoot of the alt-right. Here are its tenets:
>Private property is a right protected by and granted by the state
>Means of Production should be distributed as widely as possible among contributors and innovators
>Citizenship is extended to all and only those who share cultural values of the state
>The state is responsible for only and all citizens
>Citizens should expect protection of body and rights from the state
>The state should expect respect and devotion from its citizens
>Every citizen has a right to basic living conditions
>Every citizen has the right to education, skill training and entitlements to the point of optimized societal gain
>The state is the primary arbitrator on societal and nationwide policy

Discussion, debate, and criticism is welcome.

Why not just call it Fascism?

Branding

Time to break the stigma then.

>unnecessary racism

Sage goes in every field

Also fascism does not invoke social contract theory as the legitimacy of the government

>private property
>national socialism
pick one
Mussolini was a Communist.

Upper Right is not national socialism

>letting the state decide who it needs to serve
This won't be abusable at all

Alt right doesnt exist.

Right wing is an invention of democracy. There was no right-wing before end of WW2.

The state has an obligation to its citizens
USA has an obligation to American citizens through naturalization and lex sanguinis

Also include histroical ethnic solidarity and family national policy.

Rome for romans mexico mexicans etc..

USA to the Anglos, Israel to the Jews, Palestine to palestinians et ..

USA is for Americans, not Anglos. American citizenship is a cultural one and not racial/ethnic

Those not of tge identity of the historical nations subsidized to be relocatted to tgeir proper nation.

American is a historical ethnic identity of revolutionary anglo colonists.

French people were revolutionary yet not anglo thus not American.

>unnecessary racism
CIVIC NATIONALISTS OUT

you don't need to be strictly racist to be an ethno nationalist

Ethnonationalism belongs in Europe and Middle East. America does not have an ethnicity and therefore is not prime for ethnonationalism

so basically what we were before fags like Milo hijacked it for their own success? sounds great

America was formed from Anglo laws traditions and such, an Anglo nation, not from African or indian laws and traditions, African laws are in Africa.

America means Anglo.

Anglo Saxons were the only ones of the nation.

well, right now I guess, depends on how you see the US identity, I'd say many seem like they would like to go back to a mostly Anglo/European USA

I would Start an independent movement, a small (for now) society where people can just talk, then plan, later invest in projects, slowly creating our own society inside this one.
We would help the community, Do projects that will help others outside of this group.
>Basically the Freemasons done right
He was a socialist like his parents, but then went right to the right.
Oswald "Beady eyed Anglo" Mosley stared as a laborist and ended up "at the center of politics", he had never being in the right

>using "alt-right" unironically
CTR leave

They had no problem removong Europe from Africa bit removong Africa from Europe is another story.

The language of America is English an English nation.

jebo te duče da te jebo u usta škrbava

American was basically an ethnicity. White Anglo-Germanic people who spoke English. Pretty clear identity for most of its history.

I prefer Fascist Italy's aesthetic over the Third Reich's desu, it's just so proud while remaining traditional

It sucks Italy could never be up-to-par in WW2 though.

>Means of Production should be distributed as widely as possible among contributors and innovators

So nationalist distributism?

Fuck you
If you wanna have a little racial tribe circle jerk go join the Alt-right.
Upper right is for Cultural/Civic nationalist. ie All Americans. You ethnonationalist have to butt in everything don't you? Just like SJW. Can't have a discussion without bringing up race.

Literally just grinding Jewish communism. Fuck off, kike

>unnecessary racism

lol, dropped

Ethnic or at least racial nationalism is fundamental.

Mussolini was a moron.

>It sucks Italy could never be up-to-par in WW2 though.
don't get me started on that

America should be a white country

Making it Anglo is too much at this point, mon autisto

So, Third Positionism basically.

We care about historical identity, without race there is nothing non arbituary to prevent printing out 7 billion citizenship papers, we do not go against anyones interest we will gladly pay for the achivement of thr unification of the nation.

Shut up, underling. This is a good thread.

>t. 1776fag

Many of the founding ideas were those of frenchies. Which later had their own revolution to diapose of the aristocracy in their own system. US democracy is arguably a mix of both. With a few common ideas shared by the iroqouis particularly how they separated their tribes, and gathered for meetings. If anything its an evolution of democracy in the new world expanding on old ideas. The colonists were everything from londoners, to scot irish, to getmans, to french. Every major european country had colonists in the americas.

Checked.

Incorrect, the laws and traditions come from England and are interpreted by English language and traditions.

Then go around and print 900 million citizenships for all whites around the world

Can't wait to get me some sweet American welfare. It's my racial right

What's the requirement to be a citizen?

not bad

All Englishmen had right to apply for American citizenship.

Just call it authoritarian autocracy. It even encompasses more stuff than just fascism.

Stocks didn't exist during Socialism, international stocks were invented first by British monarchy during slavery times, then re-invented in USA when monarchy fled to USA from Hitler and only after than internationalism/globalism/right-wing/private property was enabled. Before Socialism there was monarchy aka everything was owned by king, after monarchy it came Socialism aka everything owned by workers of a country, then with liberalism aka after WW2 we got private ownership, cars, international transportation, which enabled capitalism.
>picture related political parties during Hitler times
What you would call left wing nowadays.

>nowadays
The same as for Fascism for the left: "Everything I don't like"

>every citizen has a RIGHT to basic living conditions
>private property is a right protected by and GRANTED by the state
>means of productions should be distributed as widely as possible among contributors and innovators
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kys commie

MMany Americans in fact had English families in England if tgey subjected themselves to the American laws and traditions and showed loyalty to them then they were given citizenship.

Sorry I was just passing around and I thought I should roman-salute il Duce.
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Same political parties and same banks during Socialism behaved differently since there were different laws. Democratic laws we have today are different, so banks and political parties with same names behave differently as in past. Socialism comes after revolution, after people protest in such numbers than they overthrow the government, only then laws change. You can't expect anything to change during democracy by simply voting. This voting we have nowadays is a joke, you decide nothing. During Socialism we voted for every boss, since it was public ownership. When you have private ownership you don't vote for bosses, since boss is put into position by private owner(s) of a company. During monarchy you vote for nothing, not even political parties. Hardcore capitalism is same as monarchy, because you vote for nothing, since capitalists seized all means of production like monarchy did.

>Private property i a right protected and granted by the state.
I like the protection part, but property is a natural right, not one bestowed by the state.
>Means of production should be distributed...
No.
>Citizenship is extended to all and only those who share cultural values of the state.
Pretty good. Though those values need to be defined in case the state decides to make multicultural democracy a cultural value.
>The state is responsible for only and all citizens.
No problem here.
>Citizens should expect protection of body and rights.
Agreed.
>The state should expect respect and devotion from its citizens.
No. Respect for the state is what gave us multiculturalism and globalism.
>Every citizen has a right to basic living conditions.
No. That was tried. It was a disaster.
>Every citizen has the right to education, skilled training, and entitlements to the point of societal gain.
No. The only time there is societal gain is when there is no government education, skilled training, or entitlements.
>The state is the primary arbitrator of societal and nationwide policy.
Ok. Would prefer a more decentralized model, but whatever.

Exactly

>private property is a right protected and granted by the state
private property is whatever you can protect and defend from outside influence; even if you "buy" land, you still don't "own" it. If somebody wants to take it from you, they'll try.

>Means of production distributed
there needs to be some sort of protection to prevent people from getting fucked; Anarcho Capitalism isn't even remotely considered.

>Citizenship is extended to all and only those who share cultural values of the state
okay, but remember if cultural values aren't enforced at the family level, they deteriorate

>the state is responsible for only and all citizens
in what capacity, "responsible"? Welfare net?

>Citizens should expect protection of body and rights from the state
Why is the state required to protect you? we've already outsourced violence, we see how that worked out. Would wild-west self defense not be preferable?
I'll spare the arguments regarding police response time.

>the state should expect respect and devotion from it's citizens
and what If I don't like what they do? what are the consequences for dissent?

>every citizen has a right to basic living conditions
"basic" is water, food and shelter. Even a shitty log cabin with enough game and clean water is "basic". As the world changes and we grow further from the harsh reality of nature, our definition of basic necessities changes. "Need" depends on how much you can get

>Every citizen has the right to education, skill training, and entitlements to the point of optimized societal gain
education subsidized by the state inevitably turns to brainwashing in favor of the state. Look at what we have happening in our public schools today.

>the state is the primary arbitrator on societal and nationwide policy
which inevitably turns in to the state ruling social policy with an iron fist.


The outsourcing of Individual power to the state always turns in to a boot stamping on your face. Forever.

Fascism interests me. Is there any good books on fascism someone can recommend? Not really looking for National Socialist shit.

How can those of you who say you adore fascism actually support it though? It seems like the ultimate selfish form of government in that the only people who can support it are those who envision it through the idea that their leader will fulfill your own individual wants and desires.

It doesn't seem like etho-nationalism is ever going to be a viable thing again (at least for whites).What if fascism was instated in your country but it was done by some radical black supremacist or Islamic person? It just seems like a bad deal.

The republic, mosley, mussolini, de rivera

We are neither socialist or capitalist. We take fundamentals from distributism (Catholic economic teachings) and state capitalism

I believe means of survival and independence should be distributed to everyone such as land, pay is a % of profit produced rather than the amount of power employer has over employee, arms is mandatory as well as military training for men, the state is a socialist power of tge people which works in the progresa of all its people such as building houses, providing healthcare for the people, building schools to give to the people, building factories, and in general giving more power to the people.

If fascism and Socialism was leader's selfish desires then why could they walk among people and not get killed, while American presidents/popes need armored cars, close down streets and bodyguards? Makes you think. So if they killed those Jews and Stalin killed 1/3 of population, how come nobody noticed it? How come no personal/police records exist of names? Funny, isn't it? Socialism is suppose to be big government, with everything under control, but they missing papers with names of their victims they going to visit.

If tge state takes away power from the peopke it ceases to be socialist.

Sign me the fuck up.

Well, any Somali, German or Brazilian also has that right

If they start hearing rock, grill burguers on the 4th and serve that turkey on thanksgiving, what makes them different from the Englishman?

USA is liberalism, which is perfectly demonstrated with Hillary, she is small government, who abolished governing to the point not even border guarding is necessary. All the American banking, even federal reserve and all the schools are owned by mysterious private owners. American government behaves like a private company, writes laws nobody ask them to write, changes and demolishes things nobody ask them to do. During Socialism we decided even how parks would get re-arranged, since that's public ownership aka public park. In USA you call a park public park, but it's actually owned by some guy and you don't decide anything being done in that park, at best mayor decides, not public. Mayor in socialism does what people tell him to do, else he gets fired or shot.

Different histories and different race.

if same race and is of good character showing loyalty to the laws and traditions then they can apply for citizenship.

The point is to be non-racial and use cultural mores over race

No, culture is a means to serve the race and family not to serve the culture.