The alt-right is no longer a politically viable platform. Its tenets have been polluted by trolls, shills, and unnecessary racism. From its ashes will rise the Upper right, an authoritarian offshoot of the alt-right. Here are its tenets: >Private property is a right protected by and granted by the state >Means of Production should be distributed as widely as possible among contributors and innovators >Citizenship is extended to all and only those who share cultural values of the state >The state is responsible for only and all citizens >Citizens should expect protection of body and rights from the state >The state should expect respect and devotion from its citizens >Every citizen has a right to basic living conditions >Every citizen has the right to education, skill training and entitlements to the point of optimized societal gain >The state is the primary arbitrator on societal and nationwide policy
Discussion, debate, and criticism is welcome.
Brody Davis
Why not just call it Fascism?
Chase Jackson
Branding
Austin Fisher
Time to break the stigma then.
Andrew Powell
>unnecessary racism
Sage goes in every field
Evan Taylor
Also fascism does not invoke social contract theory as the legitimacy of the government
Nicholas Cox
>private property >national socialism pick one Mussolini was a Communist.
Bentley Hill
Upper Right is not national socialism
Brayden Watson
>letting the state decide who it needs to serve This won't be abusable at all
Connor Gray
Alt right doesnt exist.
Luke Hernandez
Right wing is an invention of democracy. There was no right-wing before end of WW2.
Nicholas Jackson
The state has an obligation to its citizens USA has an obligation to American citizens through naturalization and lex sanguinis
Caleb Jenkins
Also include histroical ethnic solidarity and family national policy.
Rome for romans mexico mexicans etc..
Brody Jenkins
USA to the Anglos, Israel to the Jews, Palestine to palestinians et ..
Aaron Cooper
USA is for Americans, not Anglos. American citizenship is a cultural one and not racial/ethnic
Jose Williams
Those not of tge identity of the historical nations subsidized to be relocatted to tgeir proper nation.
Oliver Phillips
American is a historical ethnic identity of revolutionary anglo colonists.
French people were revolutionary yet not anglo thus not American.
Brandon Cooper
>unnecessary racism CIVIC NATIONALISTS OUT
Chase Williams
you don't need to be strictly racist to be an ethno nationalist
Colton Edwards
Ethnonationalism belongs in Europe and Middle East. America does not have an ethnicity and therefore is not prime for ethnonationalism
Austin Rogers
so basically what we were before fags like Milo hijacked it for their own success? sounds great
Charles Rivera
America was formed from Anglo laws traditions and such, an Anglo nation, not from African or indian laws and traditions, African laws are in Africa.
Jeremiah Ortiz
America means Anglo.
Anglo Saxons were the only ones of the nation.
Brandon Long
well, right now I guess, depends on how you see the US identity, I'd say many seem like they would like to go back to a mostly Anglo/European USA
David Morgan
I would Start an independent movement, a small (for now) society where people can just talk, then plan, later invest in projects, slowly creating our own society inside this one. We would help the community, Do projects that will help others outside of this group. >Basically the Freemasons done right He was a socialist like his parents, but then went right to the right. Oswald "Beady eyed Anglo" Mosley stared as a laborist and ended up "at the center of politics", he had never being in the right
Elijah Parker
>using "alt-right" unironically CTR leave
Brody Collins
They had no problem removong Europe from Africa bit removong Africa from Europe is another story.
Julian Martin
The language of America is English an English nation.
Michael Gonzalez
jebo te duče da te jebo u usta škrbava
Hunter Torres
American was basically an ethnicity. White Anglo-Germanic people who spoke English. Pretty clear identity for most of its history.
Bentley Anderson
I prefer Fascist Italy's aesthetic over the Third Reich's desu, it's just so proud while remaining traditional
It sucks Italy could never be up-to-par in WW2 though.
Carter Russell
>Means of Production should be distributed as widely as possible among contributors and innovators
So nationalist distributism?
Adrian Davis
Fuck you If you wanna have a little racial tribe circle jerk go join the Alt-right. Upper right is for Cultural/Civic nationalist. ie All Americans. You ethnonationalist have to butt in everything don't you? Just like SJW. Can't have a discussion without bringing up race.
Luke Thompson
Literally just grinding Jewish communism. Fuck off, kike
Noah Watson
>unnecessary racism
lol, dropped
Ethnic or at least racial nationalism is fundamental.
Mussolini was a moron.
Jace Torres
>It sucks Italy could never be up-to-par in WW2 though. don't get me started on that
Daniel Howard
America should be a white country
Making it Anglo is too much at this point, mon autisto
Wyatt Russell
So, Third Positionism basically.
Eli Campbell
We care about historical identity, without race there is nothing non arbituary to prevent printing out 7 billion citizenship papers, we do not go against anyones interest we will gladly pay for the achivement of thr unification of the nation.
Josiah Lewis
Shut up, underling. This is a good thread.
>t. 1776fag
James Young
Many of the founding ideas were those of frenchies. Which later had their own revolution to diapose of the aristocracy in their own system. US democracy is arguably a mix of both. With a few common ideas shared by the iroqouis particularly how they separated their tribes, and gathered for meetings. If anything its an evolution of democracy in the new world expanding on old ideas. The colonists were everything from londoners, to scot irish, to getmans, to french. Every major european country had colonists in the americas.
Juan Lee
Checked.
Juan Lee
Incorrect, the laws and traditions come from England and are interpreted by English language and traditions.
Hunter Foster
Then go around and print 900 million citizenships for all whites around the world
Can't wait to get me some sweet American welfare. It's my racial right
Hunter Moore
What's the requirement to be a citizen?
Sebastian Anderson
not bad
Parker Garcia
All Englishmen had right to apply for American citizenship.
Jose Lee
Just call it authoritarian autocracy. It even encompasses more stuff than just fascism.
Landon White
Stocks didn't exist during Socialism, international stocks were invented first by British monarchy during slavery times, then re-invented in USA when monarchy fled to USA from Hitler and only after than internationalism/globalism/right-wing/private property was enabled. Before Socialism there was monarchy aka everything was owned by king, after monarchy it came Socialism aka everything owned by workers of a country, then with liberalism aka after WW2 we got private ownership, cars, international transportation, which enabled capitalism. >picture related political parties during Hitler times What you would call left wing nowadays.
Ryan Allen
>nowadays The same as for Fascism for the left: "Everything I don't like"
Tyler Bailey
>every citizen has a RIGHT to basic living conditions >private property is a right protected by and GRANTED by the state >means of productions should be distributed as widely as possible among contributors and innovators (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
kys commie
Daniel Jones
MMany Americans in fact had English families in England if tgey subjected themselves to the American laws and traditions and showed loyalty to them then they were given citizenship.
Christopher Edwards
Sorry I was just passing around and I thought I should roman-salute il Duce. \o
Jason Brown
Same political parties and same banks during Socialism behaved differently since there were different laws. Democratic laws we have today are different, so banks and political parties with same names behave differently as in past. Socialism comes after revolution, after people protest in such numbers than they overthrow the government, only then laws change. You can't expect anything to change during democracy by simply voting. This voting we have nowadays is a joke, you decide nothing. During Socialism we voted for every boss, since it was public ownership. When you have private ownership you don't vote for bosses, since boss is put into position by private owner(s) of a company. During monarchy you vote for nothing, not even political parties. Hardcore capitalism is same as monarchy, because you vote for nothing, since capitalists seized all means of production like monarchy did.
Jaxon Walker
>Private property i a right protected and granted by the state. I like the protection part, but property is a natural right, not one bestowed by the state. >Means of production should be distributed... No. >Citizenship is extended to all and only those who share cultural values of the state. Pretty good. Though those values need to be defined in case the state decides to make multicultural democracy a cultural value. >The state is responsible for only and all citizens. No problem here. >Citizens should expect protection of body and rights. Agreed. >The state should expect respect and devotion from its citizens. No. Respect for the state is what gave us multiculturalism and globalism. >Every citizen has a right to basic living conditions. No. That was tried. It was a disaster. >Every citizen has the right to education, skilled training, and entitlements to the point of societal gain. No. The only time there is societal gain is when there is no government education, skilled training, or entitlements. >The state is the primary arbitrator of societal and nationwide policy. Ok. Would prefer a more decentralized model, but whatever.
Noah Green
Exactly
Justin James
>private property is a right protected and granted by the state private property is whatever you can protect and defend from outside influence; even if you "buy" land, you still don't "own" it. If somebody wants to take it from you, they'll try.
>Means of production distributed there needs to be some sort of protection to prevent people from getting fucked; Anarcho Capitalism isn't even remotely considered.
>Citizenship is extended to all and only those who share cultural values of the state okay, but remember if cultural values aren't enforced at the family level, they deteriorate
>the state is responsible for only and all citizens in what capacity, "responsible"? Welfare net?
>Citizens should expect protection of body and rights from the state Why is the state required to protect you? we've already outsourced violence, we see how that worked out. Would wild-west self defense not be preferable? I'll spare the arguments regarding police response time.
>the state should expect respect and devotion from it's citizens and what If I don't like what they do? what are the consequences for dissent?
>every citizen has a right to basic living conditions "basic" is water, food and shelter. Even a shitty log cabin with enough game and clean water is "basic". As the world changes and we grow further from the harsh reality of nature, our definition of basic necessities changes. "Need" depends on how much you can get
>Every citizen has the right to education, skill training, and entitlements to the point of optimized societal gain education subsidized by the state inevitably turns to brainwashing in favor of the state. Look at what we have happening in our public schools today.
>the state is the primary arbitrator on societal and nationwide policy which inevitably turns in to the state ruling social policy with an iron fist.
The outsourcing of Individual power to the state always turns in to a boot stamping on your face. Forever.
Christopher Davis
Fascism interests me. Is there any good books on fascism someone can recommend? Not really looking for National Socialist shit.
How can those of you who say you adore fascism actually support it though? It seems like the ultimate selfish form of government in that the only people who can support it are those who envision it through the idea that their leader will fulfill your own individual wants and desires.
It doesn't seem like etho-nationalism is ever going to be a viable thing again (at least for whites).What if fascism was instated in your country but it was done by some radical black supremacist or Islamic person? It just seems like a bad deal.
Samuel Nelson
The republic, mosley, mussolini, de rivera
Christopher Bennett
We are neither socialist or capitalist. We take fundamentals from distributism (Catholic economic teachings) and state capitalism
Jackson Flores
I believe means of survival and independence should be distributed to everyone such as land, pay is a % of profit produced rather than the amount of power employer has over employee, arms is mandatory as well as military training for men, the state is a socialist power of tge people which works in the progresa of all its people such as building houses, providing healthcare for the people, building schools to give to the people, building factories, and in general giving more power to the people.
Anthony Turner
If fascism and Socialism was leader's selfish desires then why could they walk among people and not get killed, while American presidents/popes need armored cars, close down streets and bodyguards? Makes you think. So if they killed those Jews and Stalin killed 1/3 of population, how come nobody noticed it? How come no personal/police records exist of names? Funny, isn't it? Socialism is suppose to be big government, with everything under control, but they missing papers with names of their victims they going to visit.
Grayson Thompson
If tge state takes away power from the peopke it ceases to be socialist.
Camden Howard
Sign me the fuck up.
Ethan Adams
Well, any Somali, German or Brazilian also has that right
If they start hearing rock, grill burguers on the 4th and serve that turkey on thanksgiving, what makes them different from the Englishman?
Ayden Peterson
USA is liberalism, which is perfectly demonstrated with Hillary, she is small government, who abolished governing to the point not even border guarding is necessary. All the American banking, even federal reserve and all the schools are owned by mysterious private owners. American government behaves like a private company, writes laws nobody ask them to write, changes and demolishes things nobody ask them to do. During Socialism we decided even how parks would get re-arranged, since that's public ownership aka public park. In USA you call a park public park, but it's actually owned by some guy and you don't decide anything being done in that park, at best mayor decides, not public. Mayor in socialism does what people tell him to do, else he gets fired or shot.
Dylan Jones
Different histories and different race.
Carson Allen
if same race and is of good character showing loyalty to the laws and traditions then they can apply for citizenship.
Samuel Martin
The point is to be non-racial and use cultural mores over race
Alexander Johnson
No, culture is a means to serve the race and family not to serve the culture.