Is this what was wrong with the Punisher?

Is this what was wrong with the Punisher?

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So they want him to be a black guy with a gun?

You MCUcks did the same thing with Iron Fist, both clearly shitty SJW series yet you blame tumblr itself for the low score.

What about a white guy AND a black guy, both with guns?

No, the problem is he's a vigilante. It doesn't matter what flavor he comes in, he's based partially and Deathwish and the vigilante fantasy that was going around in the 70's. In a super hero context that's interesting, but on his own it's pointless.

Nah, it's not. I really like the Punisher's actor, even if he is a manlet. He was just so, so much better in D2.

I am on fucking episode 4 and I can barely grind through this shit. This plot is horrendously paced, the action strikes impactless and the story forces you to care for the characters without giving you proper reasons to.

>CARE ABOUT THIS GUY BECAUSE HE HAD A FAMILY ONCE

that's just NOT storytelling.

>They killed the white guy's wife
>They killed the black guy's kids
Speaking of which, when's that Deathwish reboot coming?

What if we give him a knife?
>They killed his kids and wife. So now he'll kill them, with a knife!
>Rated PG13

Only if he's British.

Never forget the greatest live action Punisher creation ever youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc

The Punisher is an outdated character given the changes to New York. Even the Executioner had to change things up as well.

what about a racially ambiguous guy with vitrillgo?

There's no way Punisher will work these days.
White Pun killing white guys?
>why so many whites?
White Pun killing not-white bad guys
>problematic
Black Pun killing white criminals
>Not the image we should be perpetuating
Black Pun killing not white criminals
>Black on black crime is the biggest problem on earth and it needs to not be glorified

He should be relocated to Miami.

As long as Netflix is making Marvel shows, they'll only ever be in New York. Not only for the sake of crossover potential, but due to a tax break they received for shooting in NY.

Does he have a gun? This is important.

>Make a thirteen episode-long season of Punisher
>It takes twelve episodes for Frank to start franking franks.
Found your problem

Early next year. Can't wait for it to be the most controversial movie of the year despite being crap even for its intended audience.

What about a weapon of ambiguous nature?

Headlines from literally who blogs do not deserve their own threads.

I wonder how much child porn Dan Brooks has on his computer.

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Stop stealing my spec script.

He's a first generation Sicilian.

He doesn't look Arab.

You can apply that to literally anything though.

>White vigilantes with guns are problematic.
>Masked white vigilantes who throw locks at cops and tear down statues are heroes who should be freed.

This is why you don't really follow reviews. Punisher's race is irrelevant to his character's journey.

He's not just a "white dude"
He's a combat vet with severe PTSD, a man whose lost everything important to him and aims that anger at people who deserve it.

If you want to strip every character down to base traits, then none except the aliens are interesting.

Identity Politics needs to die a horrible death. I suggest raking its face across broken glass.

Well yeah, guns are inherently evil. Which is why the coming anarchocommunist revolution lead by based ANTIFA will defeat all the military structures of the world without using guns.

Frank, please. One Jigsaw is enough.

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Hes not fucking white.

When did Italians stop being white?
Are you going to argue that Italians are mixed with Moorish blood?

I thought Italians only started being white in like 30's or 40's? Because then the 60's rolled around every racist got focused on the blacks wanting to be equal.

Literally?

The Italians and Irish weren't considered "white" for a long time, primarily due to Catholicism.

Fun fact: the Klan loved killed Catholics.

That's Dexter

>Batman music
but hey Ron Perlman

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Does the Punisher TV series exist in a setting with superheroes?

Like the 04 film?

Or was that California, I forget.

I see a way out of this. The Punisher is out of place in new york. Him being a white dude makes SJW's antsy.

You know where Punisher could fit right in? Where his story could actually be happening, right now? Where gangs rule the streets, the police are powerless, and violent vigilantism seems like a legitimate response?

South America. Make The Punisher fucking Mexican or Columbian. And then have him fucking shoot Narcos. It's a triple win - the character makes more sense, you satisfy SJW's with 'Diversity', and you portray the violent and ignoble death of Latin American Narcos, who ALWAYS deserve to die and literally worship death.

I thought they were just gutter whites but not literally not white.
It's a spin off of the Daredevil series

Than it's just Lethal Weapon.

>insert "Vice" pun here.

I thought they already did that.

Well they kind of are.

Frank should be relocated to some city near it, like one of the multitude of decaying crime hubs in New England. Boston, Springfield, Bridgeport, New Haven, ect. It would be better because he wouldn't necessarily be running into the millions of heroes in New York, and there is still huge swaths of crime in these areas.
They can still keep his Catholic/Italian thing going, considering these locations have large Italian-american populations.

It's not even the moors. It's the thousands upon thousands of traders and immigrants that have passed through Sicily in the hundreds of years it's been passed around.

Why do you think Sicilians look the way they do?

So how many of you actually read this article? The guy actually knows his comic book shit, unlike most of you.

>South America

> Jungles just like 'nam
DUUUDE

>One of the things I like about the X-Men is they're not killing people. I miss the idea of... heroes who stop that kind of thing from happening. Here's why I'm not running Marvel: If I was, I would kill the Punisher. I don't believe in what he does. The Punisher just shoots up places. And if you're telling me he's never hit an innocent, then I'm telling you, that's fascist crap.
And people said he was good for capeshit

I know right? There were even vigilante militia's fighting escobar back in the day, the longest running Militia JUST stood down

Other than wolverine and the X-force.

They could move him to Chicago, and not much would change

Is he talking about the public perception of the Punisher?

Because the Punisher is explicitly a Sicilian Italian. And not a white Sicilian but a mongrel mixed blood Sicilian. He's as white as a Mexican is.

And they mention it in the show.

>And they mention it in the show.
You think the people who write articles like this actually watch the show.

What about a pair of conjoined twins, one of whom is black and the other white?

There was that pair of girls who are twins that had that happen after all.

Read the fucking article.

Give us a link.

> throw locks at cops

You mean like Judge Fear?

You say that like it's a bad thing

>Hydrogen Intensifies

they want vengeance because...
> white guy has to take care of his kids now
> black guy lost the welfare cash from his unclaimed kids

theoutline.com/post/2516/punisher-netflix-gun-violence-review

>The Punisher is just pitiable enough for readers to enjoy his bloody exploits, even if they remain uncomfortable with what he does. He has a code — he doesn’t kill cops or civilians — that represents what remains of his humanity, but he is profoundly isolated and seems like he could cross over into psychosis at any time. The Punisher is a compelling character because his soul is in danger. His stories are interesting because they take two values we care about — justice and compassion — and pit them against each other.


>At least that’s why the subtext of The Punisher is interesting. The text is interesting because it is a series of ambushes and military-style assaults. The Punisher is doing war at home, in an urban environment, and the appeal of his early comics was the appeal of violence itself. I started reading the long-running Punisher: War Journal comic when I was ten. At that time, I was less concerned with the delicate interplay between justice and revenge than with how The Punisher could trick a drug dealer into looking through a telescope so he could shoot him in the eye. It was a comic about meticulously planned murders, but it was okay because the people getting murdered were criminals.

>Even if they remain uncomfortable with what he does
Is that seriously an issue for people?

The Punisher is good escapism but yeah we should probably be uncomfortable with gunslinger justice

>Good escapism
Seriously?

Why would you be comfortable with what The Punisher does?

Because it's fiction? And not even the sort of fiction that is uncomfortable to read.

You can't exactly go around just fucking gunning down people in the streets, user. It may FEEL good to have swift and immediate revenge, but courts and systems of law exist for a reason, even if they aren't perfect.

Even this was better than watching "ShaneISHER"

Okay this is where I am going to be fundamentally unable to argue against the points being made because I am wholly not in those categories.

This guy got into the Punisher through the earlier War Journals but I got into the Punisher through Punisher MAX. And the violence never was really what appealed to me about Frank but the fact that he was or at least Ennis's take on him an interesting character.

This oddly old fashion and grumpy figure who was also incredibly deranged and borderline evil levels of psychotic.Him going around killing people never made me uncomfortable but that subsequent runs never tried to characterize him as hard as MAX did made me stop reading most of the arcs.

It's why I liked the show. Sure we could have done without the orgin story retread but Berthanal's Punisher is a wild animal who is interesting to watch break down inside.

Fiction can't be uncomfortable?

Chicongo

>I got into the Punisher through Punisher MAX

Fucking casual.

I don't really find that a tempting fantasy.

Born in Asia and named yin and yang

It can. But Punisher isn't.

I also got into Punisher through MAX but I thought the show was pretty crap. The side characters and especially the villains weren't nearly as engaging as Ennis's, and it didn't really confront the fact that Frank is a monster too.

>you satisfy SJW's with 'Diversity'

user, you and I both know they'll never be satisfied.
In this case they'll bitch about a non-white being portrayed as a gun-toting murderer

Oh, I misunderstood you. I thought you were asking why we should find the punisher uncomfortable.

The Punisher represents the fantasy of the short route to justice. Cut through the bullshit and kill the bad people who just need killing. At his most complex, The Punisher is an examination of how things aren't that simple, even if confronted with true evil. At his least complex, The Punisher is poetic irony theatre, where you watch to see how Frank will Frank the badguys in ironic and fitting ways. As user points out the distinctions here

>intentionally tone down gunplay save for s few key set pieces
>still get called out for gun violence

Some people.

God, can you imagine trying to write fiction that's uncomfortable today? I mean REALLY uncomfortable? Fiction that tried to force people to confront idea's they don't like?

Everyone would hate it. SJW's would hate it for not conforming to their views. Conservacucks would hate it for being yet another attack on then. It doesn't matter what or how you covered, people would hate it. Like they always have, come to think of it. Long history of that in literature - controversial works are rarely appreciated in their authors lifetimes

A guy going around shooting whoever he wants can be too real for some people.

>uses SAW to kill ONE GUY
>drops it immediately

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>implying Frank doesn't have Future Club playing on a constant loop in his head

>things are so inconvenient these days, why if someone were to write a controversial work people would start a controversy over it!
Do you read what you write and ever notice how stupid it is?

>Alan Moore

Not even gonna bother, just link me the sex scenes.

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Why can't I get payed for making every work of fiction into an agenda filled propaganda from some evil organization?

Like get payed to Shitpost....

People who basically live on Sup Forums never do this.

Is it so hard to not buy and read what you don't like

Reminds me of an idea I saw on here once for middle eastern female punisher.

Nah it's Turbo Killer
It's a capeshit action show.
And it's not as though he hasn't been portrayed as a very unhappy and unstable person since his inception so you don't even have to worry about "sending a bad message" since Frank has never been a role model even if he's fun to watch.

it's a bait title, the writer actually seems to like the series