>Akira Yoshida — presented as a Japanese writer — wrote about Japan and created Japanese characters, locations, and themes that, if it had been Cebulski, would be problematic. That comes with allegations of appropriation, yellowface, and playing up an authenticity that wasn’t there.
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Guys, are we going to witness a shitstorm? Is great weeb hope of Marvel dead on arrival?
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sounds like allegations from bored people
nah it sounds like it all got dealt with internally when he got promoted.
not a good way to start you EIC tenure tho
"House of Cultural Appropriation"
>He was hired by some to provide an authentic Japanese voice. And as much of a massive fan of Japanese culture as Cebulski was, with family in Japan and living in Japan on and off since he was 20 years old, and who began his professional comics life editing manga — he just wasn’t that.
Who the fuck decides whether someone is "authentic" or not?
>presented as a Japanese writer
was it necessary?
Fake it till you make it huh? What a fucking shitstorm.
>bleeding cool
Fuck off Rich.
>white people cant create japanesse characters
Fuck america, i want out
>REEEEEEEE NOT ENOUGH ASIANS IN COMICS
>REEEEEEEE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WRITE ASIANS IN COMICS
Why do people take these fags seriously again?
>problematic
can we just gas everybody using this word. i'm liberal but i hate the fuck out of these morons.
GIVE BASED WEEB MAN YOUR ENERGY Sup Forums!!! THE BREVOORT CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO TAKE OFFICE!!!!!
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Who's going to be new EiC? My vote goes for the cutie progressfu.
>Who the fuck decides whether someone is "authentic" or not?
Sup Forums does. See: Every time they talk about how the writer of America isn't really latina because she speaks very little Spanish.
Liberals get the bullet too, hun.
Take it all based weeb man. Save Marvel.
>white people can't pretend to be japanese
You're defending the worst kind of weeb.
FUCK! MAKE IT STOP Sup Forums! HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE /OURGUY/ HE WAS SUPPOSED TO STOP THOSE BASTARDS! HOW DO WE STOP THIS?!?
kys weebs
EVEN THE COP GETS IN TROUBLE
DID YOU JUST MISUNDERESTIMATE MY ABILITY YOU SHITLORD KKK NAZI ALT-RIGHT!!!!!
Shut the fuck up Tom.
Now who was Writer X, who wrote The Brotherhood in 2001?
I think it's less "He was writing Asians" and more "He was pretending to be Asian."
Hahaha, that takes me back.
I would still fuck her she's cute
Dont care, freedom of speech means he should be able to write as he wants
Choosing to use that word is like failing a test to determine if everything you say should be ignored.
So he wrote a bunch of good stories that will piss off sjws now that they know a white man wrote them?
What's the downside here?
Puerto Ricas are excluded from being latinos, every latino knows that.
Now before this thread gets knee-deep in shitposting, I would like to ask:
What did this Akira Yoshida ever write ? Did he write for the same company as CB Cebulski or did was it jsut some shitty weeb fanfiction ?
I won.
You could read the article and find out.
Oh sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of Japan "appropriating" my culture right back.
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Still mad they have no fucking clue how big breadrolls are.
>Puerto Ricas are excluded from being latinos, every latino knows that.
Gaiman wrote American Gods but was not born American.
Shit, the film Metro Manila was not done by Filipinos but they captured the feel the city as though they were born here.
tl;dr: shut the fuck up and enjoy the show
That is what they get for creating regueton.
>Good stories
>good
Says who?
He wrote some stuff for Marvel (like Wolverine visits Japan) while also editing stuff under his real name like that almost softcore-porn Phoenix book
So he's Ken-Sama?
By "authentic" they literally mean "from Japan". That's a perfectly acceptable way to use that word.
I remember when I found out David Wong was a pseudonym for a white guy and it felt really wrong yet nobody ever gave him shit for it.
Yeah, this. All the SJW stuff is silly, but the new EIC has a proven and admitted track record of going around company guidelines for self-gain.
Anyone who actually thought Marvel's execs would hire someone who wasn't just a pawn to be the go-between from creators to businessmen was living in a fantasy world.
Are you even aware why Shooter and Defalco quit?
He has as much a place writing about Japan as Wilson has writing about Cairo.
>What's the downside here?
Downside is that it's shit optics and people already are campaigning for his head. This is PR disaster and he's as good as gone. There's no way Marvel will allow yellowfacing slip, given the direction they were going politically, and the fact that Cebulski was going to be a face of comic branch.
One good thing about this - at least we will witness some epic REEEEEs after his firing from D&C and his ilk, they were pretty stoked seeing cishet white male getting the spot.
I could handle Mark Waid having creative control over the direction of Marvel Comics. Not that he's professionally qualified, but I'd trust his vision would respect the brand instead of making the Avengers act like imbeciles every year to sell a crappy event.
Wasn't that an autobiographical thing about her time living in Egypt? I haven't read it, so I'm genuinely asking
>when writing under a pseudonym, it MUST be a pseudonym that matches your race
Makes me wonder if the outrage would be just as bad if he'd written under the guise of a distinctly female name.
A black comics "journalist" and rare "editor" named David Brothers. He wears glasses sometimes and is recognized as a smart person by various lefty 50yos with ties to comics and social media.
He is the black man you need to see in order to know whether something is offensive to Japanese people or not.
She lived there, but so did Cebulski in Japan.
And Wilson was complimented by some Egyptians on her getting the city well.
So, if nobody noticed that Akira Yoshida wasn't a Japanese, I guess that is a point in his favor.
Pseudonyms are far from rare.
It wasn't just a name that he was using:
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>To begin with, Yoshida grew up in Japan reading manga. Since his father was in international business, he spent parts of his childhood living in the U.S. where he learned English by reading superhero comics and watching TV and movies. As a child, the writer said he always wanted to work in either the Japanese manga or American comics industry. Fortunately, he’s had the privilege of doing both as an adult.
>Yoshida started his career in editorial at a small Japanese comic publisher named Fujimi Shobo. It was there that he got to meet writers and manga artists like Ryo Mizuno (“Record of Lodoss War”) and Kia Asamiya (“Silent Mobius”). The company was eventually bought out by a larger publisher, but the contacts Yoshida made proved helpful.
>In 2002, he joined Asamiya at a few U.S. conventions and Asamiya was nice enough to introduce Yoshida to some of the American editors he was working with at the time. About a year later, Pat Lee and the Dreamwave team asked him to write a “Darkstalkers” comic series for them. This was never published, but fortunately an opportunity to work on a Hellboy story with Asamiya followed that. Around this same time, Marvel contacted him to pitch for them too. This led to his first series at Marvel, “Thor: Son of Asgard.”
>crashes Marvel with no survivors
Akira has to be the most weeb name ever, the first name you think of when Japan is brought up, like "Juan" is to Mexico.
TAKE MY ENERGY BASED WEEB MAN
Chuck Austen?
The dude literally committed fraud. And it doesn't exactly look good if you're a white guy pretend to be Asian when are you're hired (and then sold to the readers) as someone who can provide an authentic Asian voice.
The maddest people.
It's not that he wrote about japanese culture and people but that he lied about being Japanese. Gaiman and Wilson weren't liars which is a crucial difference.
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>>What's the downside here?
>Downside is that it's shit optics and people already are campaigning for his head. This is PR disaster and he's as good as gone.
Why is that a downside?
Option 1:
SJW creators freak out so bad that they refuse to work for Marvel.
(This is the equivalent of CB hiring all SJW creators from Marvel.)
Option 2:
CB is replaced by someone terrible without any delicacy or business sense, like Amanat, and Marvel Comics completely collapses in 2018, perhaps taking the rest of this tired industry along with it.
I fail to see how either path is a bad one.
What? People out there actually expected a future where CB was able to reform Marvel? There can be no reformation. We need to burn all SJW from it, or else burn the entire house down. It's one or the other. This Japanese non-event is a blessing in disguise.
It's like when that one writer (I forget his name) wrote some military themed comics and claimed he was like an army special ops. guy and then it turned out he had never even been in ththe service. This was like ten, twelve years ago.
> Option A
That is literally best timeline.
This thing reads like a Boondocks episode.
What are you talking about?
Mark Waid is not a people person. Are you aware that he's banned from setting foot in the DC offices and has left a trail of bitter co-workers everywhere he's been?
>I'd trust his vision
Mark Waid doesn't have any vision. The best comics he's written in the last 20 years are bland neo-retro affairs with Chris Samnee on art.
>would respect the brand
Mark Waid doesn't respect the brand. He writes Champions.
>instead of making the Avengers act like imbeciles every year to sell a crappy event.
Mark Waid doesn't do events.
Mark Waid doesn't sell comics.
Mark Waid's flagship Avengers comic dipped under 20k in sales.
I think there was some dude who wrote under a female pseudonym. Could it have been Glen Cook?
I know King did write schlock under pseudonyms.
You have no fucking idea how any of this works, do you?
It's not news to anyone at Marvel that their Japanese author was a chubby white dude.
Nor was it to any of the Japanese working with him.
He lived there, has family there. He's not some weird impostor but just a weeb with a pen name that nobody was bothered by so far.
>appropriation, yellowface, and playing up an authenticity that wasn’t there
>He's not some weird impostor
He literally is though.
>What? People out there actually expected a future where CB was able to reform Marvel?
Yes.
Pretty sure they were taking the piss, lad.
>It's not news to anyone at Marvel that their Japanese author was a chubby white dude.
Yeah, now. Nobody knew that until he confessed for having committed fraud. This isn't like he said "I wanna use a jap pseudonym and write comics, boss man" he literally lied to his bosses so that he could write comics for Marvel, which wasn't allowed due to him being an editor there.
Not anymore.
Are they getting Latino and Hispanic confused again?
Slott also committed fraud when he lied about attending college so he could intern there, and they let him write Ren and Stimpy anyway.
>Who the fuck decides whether someone is "authentic" or not?
White middle-class tumblrinas, probably.
It's funny because 'progressives' always act as though you have to be of the same ethnicity as characters you write, or it's not PC and that any minority characters have to reflect minority experiences and culture that only immigrant families can understand. Putting them into stereotype boxes.
Like, there's no way an Indian character could be written like a white character with brown skin. That would be culturally insensitive and bleaching. No, they'd have to Bollywood dance every 20s, speak with a heavy accent, shit in the streets and drink from the Ganjes and it has to be written by an Indian. Even if their family has been around for decades, they have to be wrtte fresh off the boat to be truly pogressive.
I thought SJWs didn't give a shit about the Japanese? War crimes and all.
Come on!
How the fuck can you not notice you are talking to your own fucking editor?!
Who is decidedly not Japanese.
Are you trying to tell me they hired a guy without ever talking to him or seeing his face?
Nobody complains about Kamala Khan.
>USA is full of people who never went to war but glorify war
>somehow this is worse
So why aren't people spitroasting gaiman for his lies?
>here
Such power
I am blessed from today onwards
You see, biology only matter when they say it does.
Doesn't matter if you want to be literally a real woman no doubt. But it does if you want to be a PoC. Because then you are infringing on their oppression points by saying skin color doesn't matter.
>Are you trying to tell me they hired a guy without ever talking to him or seeing his face?
If he was pretending to be Japanese he could have literally claimed he was still living in Japan ans everything was done via e-mail.
He hired himself.
>David Brothers brough all of this back up
Fuck that fag and, naturally, fuck BC too. They really are going to try and get him fired in favor of Amanat or something. They're fucking pissed a white guy was promoted ot EiC.
Gaiman is too cute; and he writes graphic novels, not weeb shit.
You mean when he said Sandman Dream Hunters was based on actual folk lore? That wasn't really the selling point of the comic, just something neat you read in the book's author notes.
Brothers is a black guy who's a pseudo-weeb and has, for years (going back to his old 4th Letter blog and his days at ComicsAlliance), been one of the ones banging the drum on race bullshit before it started becoming a more mainstream thing.
I remember he used to mod the comic book subforum at Something Awful years ago too and that place is full of nothing but pretentious twats like him.
Neil gaiman never created a fake american identity to claim an authentic american voice.
>no one giving a shit about an editor trying to both write and edit because they want to stick it to the SJWs
I hate this place.
I wouldn't have ever read Solanin if not for Brother talking about it on his old blog years ago but he's one of those "I only like artsy stuff (and Bleach; niggas gonna be niggas and rep the battle shonen)" fags.
>Writing an elaborate past full of meeting with actual people just for pseudonym
For what reason
Then go back to Tumblr.
BC is really desperate for material if this is their opening story on this guy.
So you are telling me Marvel is so shit at oversight, nobody ever noticed nobody but him had seen that Japanese author they hired?
Just the logistics of him having them wire money to his relatives in Japan, lying his ass off so nobody would ask why they have never seen or heard anything of that man...
He made a Canadian Girlfriend work for years, while working as an editor on top!
I tip my hat to such brazen balls and dedication.
If that isn't the most anime thing to pull off I don't know.
First check. Has any actual Japanese person complained about this?
Second check. Ask any actual complainer to specify exactly what their issue are, in Japanese.
Third check. Ask Cebulski to respond to the complaints, in Japanese.
I'm betting we don't even get to step 2 here, barring some tamaki type 2世 のもの。
And I'm absolutely convinced that Cebulski is fluent enough in Japanese that this is acceptable to the community.
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This one is for you Based Weeb Man
>Every time they talk about how the writer of America isn't really latina because she speaks very little Spanish
And because a bunch of latinos (myself included) have pointed out over and over again how full of bullshit is that Bobby Hill wannabe.
Japanese have incredibly low standards for foreigners.
Which is frankly as insulting as it is comforting.
A very Japanese feel, I guess.
>almost softcore-porn Phoenix book
s-storytime, please?
That explains why they like the MCU.
Rich has been hammering about this for years, so he's probably feeling very justified right now
Google "Phoenix: Legacy of Fire"
Regarding Japanese skills, I mean.
They have low expectations in movies because theirs are certified shite.