Let's make a movie about Goofy

>Let's make a movie about Goofy...
>Where the joke is that he is a bad father and his son hates him and is genuinely afraid to his very soul that he is going to turn out like his incompetent, hideously unattractive father
>Also Pete is in it and he is a millionaire with a hot wife

Hit too close home, OP?

>he is a bad father
nigga what?

My father was absent my entire life.

Goofy nearly gets Max killed on multiple occasions.

>incompetent, hideously unattractive father

Goofy in this movie actually comes off as a pretty accomplished homeowner and father with a stable job that he enjoys and is good at, with time and money to take vacations even. His only real faults are being a little sappy, clumsy, and sometimes unlucky for the sake of slapstick. Also, nearly everyone in this universe loves the fuck out of Goofy, except for jerks like Pete, and Max, who only dislikes Goofy because he’s a moody adolescent who is almost obligated to be embarrassed by his lame dad. Everyone else recognizes Goofy as a nice guy and a regular joe, and more often than not women in particular find him excessively charming and fawn over him.

From Max’s perspective Goofy is incompetent and unattractive, but that’s only because he’s the exact opposite of what a too cool for school teen like Max finds appealing. Canonically Goofy is the total package in his own world.

>>Also Pete is in it and he is a millionaire with a hot wife

I don't remember his wife showing up in the movie

Goofy did nothing wrong

Max is a lil bitch tho

>I'm going on a vacation with my best buddy
>Donald Duck?

I would have enjoyed it more if it was Goofy and Donald going on vacation to be honest.

I would watch the fuck out of Goofy and Donald Do America.

You know, when I saw this movie as a kid and noticed that literally every character was a dog person, I thought this was just a slightly 4th wall breaking joke and Max meant that Donald is a fictional cartoon character in their world. It’s only now after seeing a lot more of the older disney cartoons and comics that I can see a possibility where he was serious and Donald exists in their world and is good friends with Goofy, which is weird to think about since in the whole Goofy franchise they apparently only hang out in dog people ghettos and never see a duck person.

Donald and Goofy plan a vacation for so long.

Donald just wants to relax, but Goofy sets up a whole trip to visit a bunch of places because he is afraid he is losing a best friend he doesn't see often.

Add a song here and there and slapstick.

It will get a 30% rotten rating on RT....so it will be perfect.

Donald and Mickey had a cameo during one of the songs though.

man, I fucking hate teen-Max.

You literally see Donald in the movie.

Mickey and Donald were hitchhiking in the movie

>>Also Pete is in it and he is a millionaire with a hot wife
Peg isn't in the movies, probably just to trim the cast down although its led to the popular headcanon that they divorced.

Also they weren't THAT rich; Pete just had a taste for expensive tacky shit.

>nearly everyone in this universe loves the fuck out of Goofy, except for jerks like Pete
Pete likes Goofy in the movies. He has no ulterior motives when he tells Goofy Max has been lying to him.

he's just a teen too hung up on himself like literally everyone else was at that age man

Yeah, but I was a dumb kid and figured that sometimes over the top ridiculous stuff that happened in songs wasn’t ‘canon.’

>literally every character was a dog.

Nigger what? Pete and his kid are cats. That's why he antagonizes Mickey MOUSE

Your braincells aren't canon.

>He has no ulterior motives when he tells Goofy Max has been lying to him.

I’m not so sure. I think he did that as a way of feeling superior to Goofy, sort of one upping him as a father for once. I don’t think he did it purely to be a good friend to Goofy, more like just because he loves being the bearer of bad news.

Pete seems to me to like Goofy’s company in the sense that he loves looking better than Goofy by comparison, usually because he has nicer stuff, like that cool tricked out camper. As a person I’d say he doesn’t particularly like Goofy, though arguably maybe Pete doesn’t really like anybody besides himself.

They still all had the flesh colored faces and black fur all over and the round little button nose. Cat or dog, Pete fits in with looking like a pointy eared varient of the same weird ass humanoid species as Goofy. Donald on the other hand looks completely out of place with them, being a bird.

It's great how this movie still overall holds up

I was just a little younger than Max when I first saw this movie. I sided with him. Now as an adult, re-watching it a few years ago, I actually feel a little bit more for Goofy, and see Max as a bit of a "me me me" teen. Of course, Max would never see that, not until he is grown up.

Yeah, a lot of the more dated aspects with the 90s culture that Max was trying to hip to feel like they may work even better now for communicating the idea of weird fleeting young person trends.

They should remake a Goofy Movie but instead of being a road trip it should be about Max getting the shit beaten out of him for doing a gay dance in front of the school and eventually hanging himself from his bunk bed.

>Le'ts make a thread...
>where OP tries to analyze something
>completely misses the point
>is clearly bait

Hit too close to home, user?

I'm sorry to hear about that, user. I hope time heals your wounds and emotional cars

but he's still alive

unless you're saying he's a ghost haunting this thread

*scars

Obviously the death was metaphorical.
Some spark within that user was killed that day. Brutally.

Well I was saying that he was probably planning on hanging himself, or possibly tried and failed. But I’m not gonna rule out your ghost theory now that you’ve brought it up.

>All this shade being thrown at Max
Are people forgetting that Max and his dad were chill in Goof Troop because Max was accepting of him and himself, and that it's strongly hinted in Goofy Movie that a consequence of having no fucks has now caught up to Max and he is known for nothing more than being the Goof kid?

The entire thing isn't about Max being sulky just so Goofy can look bad or feel bad, it's about the effect of the two growing apart and peer pressure from those who don't get them influencing how they see each other.

It's literally the entire point of the movie that when Goofy and Max spend time together they realize how far apart they've grown, how little they've tried to really get each other and how in the end they still love each other and can and will overcome such things because they're the closest real relation they have in a world that doesn't get either of them.

Sheeeeit. You're not supposed to pick a side, you're supposed to grasp where the generation gap and distance in family units comes from. Goofy let Pete and the Principal tell him his own kid was a delinquent like they know better when they're worse with kids, Max let kids make him think the only family who raised him was just a clown.

>Are people forgetting that Max and his dad were chill in Goof Troop because Max was accepting of him and himself,

Personally, I remember watching the movie without having the context of the show to fall back on. I may have watched a few episodes of the show as a kid, but I always regarded the movie as its own standalone thing.

> a consequence of having no fucks has now caught up to Max and he is known for nothing more than being the Goof kid?
>the two growing apart and peer pressure from those who don't get them influencing how they see each other.

I remember like maybe one instance in the movie where some random off screen kids laugh at Max and call him ‘goof,’ but that’s about it. I know Max has the line ‘they’ve been laughing since i can remember,’ but if the movie was trying to make a point about Max reacting to bullying, they really didn’t do much to hammer that home. It more comes off like it’s mostly in Max’s head.

>Goofy let the Principal tell him his own kid was a delinquent like they know better when they're worse with kids

To be fair, this is a common mistake parents make with school faculty in assuming that someone whose whole profession and experience revolves around working with children have a good grasp in dispensing advice on how to raise children. Parents are supposed to be good with kids too, but with only children like Max, a parent only gets the one chance to get it right and rarely actually studies the subject like a specialist would be expected to.

Max in his underwear was boner-city for me when I was a kid.

SCIENCE

>It more comes off like it’s mostly in Max’s head.
Their whole misunderstanding was in their heads. If they listened to each other they could have cleared up everything before the trip even happened, but they needed the trip to make them really try.

Roxanne even tells Max she always wanted him in the worst way, he didn't need to do a song and dance and be a cool guy.
I mean, it helped speed things along, but I'll take her word for it.

Fuck off autist on IB who draws nothing but pictures of Max Goof hanging himself.

You reminded me that there's that one part in the "Eye to Eye" song.
>If we listen to each other's hearts
I guess that can be applied to the father and son relationship too (although it was probably meant in a romantical sense).

It must be so sad to lose your significant other so early your son doesn't even remember her or really care for her, when she was the love of your life.

>Pauly Shore throwing Max under the bus during the concert
>Brags about knowing him when he does appear

Dick

Goofy has clearer examples of him giving in to peer pressure though. The principal and Pete both outright tell him that Max is a delinquent and he believes them. Max on the other hand doesn’t have any specific characters walk up and outright tell him that Goofy is uncool. It feels more to me like a decision that Max made himself.

They made two seasons of this before.

>when she was the love of your life.

For the love of his life, she sure doesn’t come up much. Goofy never even appears to hang up a picture of her anywhere. Compared to most disney or kids entertainment widows/widowers, he really seems to have moved on.

I feel Disney probably didn't want a shot of Goofy sitting alone by the fireplace, sighing deeply.

>Stacey, who barely even knows Max, sticks up for him (mostly to keep Roxanne's spirits up, but still)
>Later she makes eyes with the opportunist jerk causing trouble
Very mixed message.

There are other ways of doing it.

I get that it was a story decision to keep her totally absent to not be a distraction because it wasn’t a part of what they wanted to do, I just think there’s little evidence actually telling us that she was ‘the great love of his life.’ She may have left them, from all I can put together on the subject.

Now you have to wonder if it's worse for the woman you love to leave you or to be taken from you.

HA HA SICK BURN BRO!

Is that what you're looking for?

If she left it’s possible they didn’t even get along. Heck, she could even be a one night stand. Max could even be adopted. The point I’m trying to make, is there are other scenarios that can place a man in the predicament of being a single father besides ‘he had a happy marriage up until her tragic passing.’

>Goofy has clearer examples of him giving in to peer pressure though
It's not peer pressure, it's just Goofy being an overprotective single parent.

He doesn't listen to the principal and Pete because he wants to look good to other people, it's because he genuinely believes them and is concerned that Max is going to go the wrong path. He's worried about Max, not what other people think of him.

>he is a millionaire with a hot wife
when was that established?

Why is Donald Goofy's best friend, and not Mickey?
Or is Mickey only the second-best friend for everyone (except for Minnie)?

To be fair, if everything in that song was canon, the zombie would be too.

Are Pauly Shore and Max even supposed to be friends? He has to be bribed to help Max.

I feel like Pete is just a very aggressive person in general and has a weird way of showing his feelings. Like, he clearly cares for his family, it's just that he can't help but be a total hardass all the time.

I mean, they do live in Toontown. A zombie isn't exactly farfetched either seeing all the bullshit that Goofy alone can do.

OK but seriously, how do you attain the kind of house Goofy had with a minimum wage retail job and no rich parents?

Honestly Pete gives vibes of my own dad, a sort of "I don't hate you, but I honestly have issues with you." kind of guy. Doesn't make him GREAT, but it doesn't make him a horrible guy.

He's not a "Millionaire" but in this one while Max and Goofy are driving around in Goofys car and sometimes staying at Motels, they have an extremely expensive motor home with a lot going for it.

Micky is a "Friends to all" type, I feel like he isn't the kind of guy to say he has "A best friend" but that he has "best friends".

Goof Troop Pete is best Pete. He's way more engaging as a jerk who can be decent than an out-and-out evil be thou my good villain.

Isn't it just amazing that disney's most mature animated movie story wise is a fucking Goofy Movie?

While I can see where the second guy is coming from here, keep in mind Pete basically took Goofy to the side in to tell him Max was playing him for a chump. He didn't expose Max's lies in public or in a way that humiliated Goofy and made him seem superior; Pete was on be on the up and up by -privately- telling Goofy about the duplicity and leaving it up for him to deal with.

On the other hand, Pete DID leave the Goofs for fucking *dead* when Bigfoot attacked, but generally speaking in the film, Pete's behavior is consistent: even though he legitimately wants to help Goofy, his own ego gets in the way and his life advice tends to be condescending as it can boil down to "Be like me, the successful guy."

>Max is a brat

He totally was, but even now after growing up, I can still kinda feel for him--not because his dad is literally Goofy but a miscommunication and poor timing was costing him his chance to be with his high school sweetheart. Keep in mind the MOMENT Goofy realizes Max has been pining for a girl, he jumps on board with helping him crash the concert.

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The 90s were a different time. And Goody belongs to a very different generation.

Goofy Movie threads bring up the best of this board honestly.
I hope they keep popping up from time to time as they do now.

It's a movie that in all honesty, still holds up despite how dated it can be [and its not as dated as Extremely Goofy Movie].

The characters feel real, and despite it being about Goofy and Max, a lot of it feels grounded in reality [to an extent].

As said here, even Pete who started out just as a really bad villain is turned into at least an interesting character who you don't hate, but you don't exactly want to be like. [basically whats said here ]

I should rewatch it.

Remember back when The Simpsons lived in a nice 4 bedroom house in suburbia on a single blue collar worker’s income and they were supposed to ‘poor?’ Or at the very least, lower middle class? Or when in Rugrats, they lived similarly on a substitute teaching wage and an freelance toy inventor’s commissions? That was the standard of the time. Housing was much easier to obtain.

The whole song actually is about their relationship (of course any pop song can be taken romantically) it's about listening to each other and not forgetting they have each other when it seems they've grown apart etc etc

I was just about to post the same thing. It's nuts when you think about it this movie deals with arguably the most difficult time in a parent/child's life, teenage years when the child pulls away to forge their own identity and it's telling it from a father son perspective which i believe is even more difficult to quantify because of the enate reluctance of males to express and share complex emotions and the themes of what it means to be a father and dealing with the perceptions of masculinity. So it also addresses the seperate issues that the father and son face during this time incredibly well. And it's a road trip movie staring goofy. It's beyond impressive the writers brought their A game to a Goofy movie.

Didi was actually a full time teacher IIRC. You may be thinking of Peggy from KotH who was not fully certified.

[Stayin alive plays in the distance]

Was it hey dad soup?

It was Hi dad soup. And for some reason this scene makes me hungry for soup.

I will never be able to fathom how come Disney forgot about its existence at all, they rarely rerun it on TV, and don't even recognize it as one of the classics (correct me if I'm wrong).

It makes me quite sad because the movie had a great story, with a wonderful animation and interesting characters, and a really charming lesson when you revisit it as an adult, yet it was shoved into the dark.

But I think it's better if it stays that way. As said, Goofy belongs to a different generation. Kids nowadays wouldn't care that much about him or other characters, aside from Mickey just because he's the face of the company. Disney know that very well. Not even the best classics from them can compare to something like Frozen or Cars nowadays, not because they're bad, on the contrary: some of them are fantastic. But reality is one, and that is, kids grew up with that stuff, and they're the vast majority now. The audience who grew up in the 90s aren't all watching cartoons 24/7 like we do here. Give to a kid Fantasia and they'd turn away, but they go nuts if you show them something like Cars 3 or Minions.

Things are really that bad. Difference is: now we know.

This is Roxanne. Say something nice about her!

>ywn see Donald and Goofy bonding over being single dads while Max and HDL are having a play date in the background

>Goofy mistakes another attempt by Donald to drown him as a buddy-moment

Homer is a nuclear technician and Stu has various patented inventions he likely just coasts on.

There is literally no excuse to goofy to have a house that nice, not even “it was the 90’s” covers it.

I'd pound her puppy.

Also in Homer’s case his dad bought the house

I mean, its not like Fantasia 2000 was some big hit.

It didn't even make its budget back in theaters and barely made back its budget through home release.

i never noticed how thick her eyebrows are

Wait, really? That's a shame.
The more I know, the harder it hits.

Yeah, roughly 90 mil budget
Only made 60mil in theaters, went to 90.8 with home release

It got some notice a couple years back for the 20th anniversary.
Also, it's not recognized as being part of the official "canon" because it wasn't the main animation studio that worked on it. (Fun fact: the studio that did, Walt Disney Animation France, actually got bumped up to co-producer on The Hunchback of Notre Dame the following year alongside the main studio, and remained in that capacity through the release of Atlantis.)

my only question is what the fuck were they thinking with that intro? i know the message is max didn't want to become like goofy but was it necessary to traumatize children like that?

YO STACY TALK TO ME TALK TO ME BABY!

Why did he sound so different in the song?

didnt have a father and i dont have a son so this movie doesnt affect me emotionally at all
i do wonder how much of it is realistic tho and i don't mean crashing a rock concert

>noticed that literally every character was a dog person
that was a thing in the old goofy shorts

jobuta

Well, what I meant about Goofy belonging to a different generation was more in regards to his comfortable suburban lifestyle. What with the film taking place in the 90s, Goofy with his teenage son is a baby boomer. When boomers were first entering the workforce, retail wasn’t always quite the same low-skill disposable minimum wage entry level job it is today. In some places, ‘department store worker’ was a valid longterm career choice with a living wage and benefits and opportunities for advancement. Also in the movie he seems to be a professional portrait photographer, which is kind of a decent position, even if he’s working in a mall.

I actually think the mickey mouse, goofy, donald, etc characters have a good potential for timelessness.

I wonder what writer decided to throw that random moment in?
For some reason, it felt so natural, and so stupid at the same time.

I just figured Didi had to be a sub because we never see her go to work or grade papers or talk about the school or anything. She seems like she’s at home most of the time. Usually if she really needs somebody to watch Tommy, she leaves with a different kind of excuse.

>I'm gonna blow this cigarette smoke in your eyes, Maxie

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>dvd commentary from a now 38 year old Max and Roxanne over how much fun this scene was to shoot

In that one episode where Stu had to get a "real" job she mentions that they can't support themselves during the summer since he hasn't invented/sold a toy design in ages, and the *one* time she took Tommy to school she's the high school's Home Ec teacher.

...Is Home Economics still a thing in schools?

I’m certain that I’ve seen people say before that in the one episode she takes Tommy to school, that she was subbing that day. Though I really don’t know for sure myself if they ever say one way or the other in the show.