An animated movie/show "for adults"

>An animated movie/show "for adults"
>Has the exact same type of cookie cutter plot that you find in every 90s action cartoon for kids that advertised a toy line
>But it now has boobies, blood, swearing and smoking

Why? Why is it that so many "mature" movies or shows are actually just aimed at mid/late teenagers and childish college students? Most of the time I can find more adult elements in shows designed to be for children.
Is "adult" literally an advertising buzzword when it comes to animation?

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I dunno, lack of creativity I suppose.
Also sauce?

They just slap on mature or adult onto it so they wouldn't get associated with kiddy G stuff that animation is unfairly associated with

Because actual adults with jobs and a social life and a family don't have that much time for TV and probably watch other shows when they do

>But it now has boobies
Censored and covered boobs to boot.

>blocks your path
Back the fuck off!?

>Is "adult" literally an advertising buzzword when it comes to animation?

That's exactly it. Just because it's a cartoon technically made for adults, doesn't mean that it's automatically more mature, nor does it mean it can actually tackle the themes a G/PG film can't. The vast majority of the time the rating is a crutch. Early Pixar has repeatedly proven that you can have darker movies without relying on an M rating.

This is why I started reading more comics tbqh. Because they're cheaper to produce, you get more variety in terms of thematic content

Why is it always either
>dude young children lmao
or
>dude drugs, sex, and gratuitous violence lmao
Where's the middle ground?

"Mature" meaning high minded, complex, deep, and thoughtful is a buzzword period. Everything associated with that definition of maturity has nothing to do with age and everything to do with intelligence, knowledge, and patience. Expecting adults to actually want these things is idiotic when you look at what actual popular entertainment among adults is like.

>Early Pixar has repeatedly proven that you can have darker movies without relying on an M rating.
But because it's pixar, it's automatically viewed as kiddy shit

But who cares what other people think. Seriously, isn't the fact that it exists enough?

Companies will actually try to avoid the G rating because it can seriously hurt revenue

It sells. At least in USA.

>"Mature" meaning high minded, complex, deep, and thoughtful is a buzzword period
user, but that's almost exactly the definition of "mature".
That's why maturity != adulthood.
There are tons of adults who are not mature, and some young people who actually are (and I'm not talking about edgy teenagers who pretend to be nihilists, I'm referring to ones who actually had to face tough shit in life and learned responsibility and foresight of their actions at young age).
Your cartoon doesn't need to be a philosophy textbook to be "mature". As points out, many pixar movies are far more mature than everything sold as "adult animation".
I hate myself for saying this, but Steven fucking Universe is more "mature" than half of content on Adult Swim, because, as shittily as it handles it, it -tries- to tackle actual themes of responsibility, loyalty, alienation and the like.

I'm taking generally. Also, there were actual nipples shown in the movie in question, though it was 90% just closueps of asses in tight lingerie
Gen13

>though it was 90% just closueps of asses in tight lingerie
So just like the comic.

>Is "adult" literally an advertising buzzword when it comes to animation?
Bingo.
Pocoyo is less juvenile than shit like Family Guy or Rick and Morty.

I just really want WELL DRAWN nudity in western animation. I'm tired of the same old comedy bait and switch and low quality shit like Macfarlane cartoons.

Because only losers yearning for escapism and actual children watch cartoons.

Disney and Hanna Barbera cemented the idea in the west that animation had to be for kids (even though that wasn't their intention at first); so, anybody who wanted to use the medium for something more mature (like Bakshi) had to make it clear that kids were not the intended audience.

Meanwhile, in Japan, they found out they could use animation for all sorts of stories, especially stuff that would be really expensive in live-action. That's why they're known for their edgy and adult cartoons while we're mostly stuck with kidshit.

>Gen13
That's your problem

the problem is that most adult themes have been done in kid shows already, and with the need to censor they did it with subtlety and sometime great innovation. When you do it for adults without censorship it just loses the subtlety and thus seems more juvenile than the juvenile shows. Really hard to find the balance.

Hell, even ignoring Pixar there was the likes of Don Bluth who tried to tackle themes like immigration. Early DreamWorks was also a good example.

>but that's almost exactly the definition of "mature".
No it isn't, mature just means -fully grown-

Not really, Disney had always made a point to make content that everyone can enjoy. It was actually 80s cartoons and 90s Nickelodeon/Cartoon Network that cemented that. The likes of Transformers and G.I. Joe proved to be effective toy commercials, so everyone hopped on the money train, even if it meant alienating a more adult audience.

90s Nick went whole hog, playing up the gross out shows saying "only kids can understand!". CN went the a similar direction, but relying on safer shows for kids.

I could point to American Pop or The Illusionist, that doesn't mean they're anything but exceptions to the rule, not the norm

Dude if you want actual mature animated media just watch anime or any non-US work for that matter.

>watch anime
>90% anime does the exact same thing

To be fair to Gen 13, its beginning is not its strong suit.
It's after all the kids start showing their flaws and real character that it feels worth the investment. Like Bobbi showing how since he hopped around homes as a kid he's good at fitting in quick and comforting others who feel like they don't belong. I thought that was small but impressive characterization since all the other kids are usually in their head. Bobbi is usually there to appropriately console Roxy, rib Rainmaker and chastise Grunge.

Honestly I'd go as far to say if Gen 13 is adapted again it's for the best to just have the origin stuff as a flashback. Do like X-Men usually does and jump to the point.

Completely true, a lot of anime are just rehashed shit, but eventhough you need to make an effort to look for it you can still find good shit among it.

What is the best mature Sup Forums stuff? My favorite anime is stuff like Ghost in the Shell, Magnetic Rose, Jin Roh, Perfect Blue, Ergo Proxy, Texhnolyze, which are all pretty western influenced already. Was thinking about watching Aeon Flux

The exact same thing can be said of Western Animation.

>The exact same thing can be said of Western Animation.
Not really, all western animation has to offer is kiddy shows with clumsy lore and DUDE EDGINESS, DEPRESSION AND NIHILISM XDDDD!!!!

The sole exception for this being the Samurai Jack reboot.

>LOL ANIMUS DO THE SAME THING
Every fucking time
At least pretend you know what you're talking about

>The sole exception for this being the Samurai Jack reboot

This. Say what you will about Season 5, but it's still the best adult oriented cartoon in years. I'm glad they didn't rely on gore/cursing for the sake of it and instead wanted to actually tell a story. I mean hell, the only curse word said throughout the entire thing was one "penis", it was really restrained.

Holy fuck, kill yourself if you think Samurai Jack is "adult" in any conceivable way

I'd love a western Jin-Roh

Rock & Rule is pretty based
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>samurai jack
I genuinely hope this is bait

Name ten action shows aimed at adults.
Go fucking ahead.

Oh, and "comedies" don't count. Just so you don't accuse me of moving the goalposts when you inevitably mention Archer or shit like that,

>ten
Oh, you think tsundere is a tired cliche?
Name 96 harem animes that feature tsunderes
I'll wait ;)

>"comedies" don't count
then there are none, because not one writer of "adult" shows can ever restrain himself not to insert three dozen jokes about jerking off, breast implants or threesomes into every episode

What the fuck are you talking about, you dumb nigger? You make a claim that there's plenty of adult animation that is pretty much the same as 90s action shows but with gore and sex. Then you're trying to deflect when getting called out on it.
>inb4 hurr durr I'm not OP
Well, getting mistaken for someone else sucks, doesn't it?

>The Triplets of Belleville
>The Illusionist
>The Tragedy of Man
>Where The Wind Blows
>American Pop (and a lot of Bakshi movies by extension)

Same reason so many wannabe animators/comic artists have ideas that are so similar to the media they consume. Creativity in the sense of actually thinking through ideas isn't really common, even amoung "creative" types. Just loom at the way some modern cartoons copy older cartoons and popular anime without much of their own spin.

You're better off looking into comics.

90% of anime is shit
5% is mediocre
5% is varying degrees of good.
The good thing is that Japan produces about ~120 series a year so even with a truckload of shit existing, there is sufficient good stuff in there to justify it

None of it is good.

Ok.

Faggot watching shitty gook cartoons

ok.

I want to risk this statement:
Whether east or west, animated, written, or live action, about 90% of everything produced is garbage, 5% is mediocre and 5% is varying degrees of good.
Japan frequently has the upper hand when it comes to making good animated shows because they just produce so fucking many

>Why is it that so many "mature" movies or shows are actually just aimed at mid/late teenagers and childish college students?
Because those are the people who most crave to be mature.

That's good buddy.
Let it all out.

Weed and gore don't really go together. Are there real examples of this outside of Newgrounds?

The Maxx

Bakshi's Wizards is sort of related. Be sure not to read about it before you watch it, though. You'll have the twist at the end spoiled.

Correct! In irony cartoons were just the cheapest way to sell toys better back then and it came with the double whammy