What’s with all the shitty writers?

How do we fix Marvel?

Comicfags only. Casuals who will just REEEEE about diversity as if it would fix anything can take it to the next thread.

Easy, hire DC writers so they can show how to do comics the CORRECT way.

Sadly, Based Weeb Man was our only hope. He actually seemed like he was upset with the modern comics industry and actually wanted to make strides to improve it.

Fire the shitty poser artists. They might work fast but they drag down the brand. Tell the other artists to switch back to a minimal, less detail heavy style to compensate. We don't need to see the laces on Captain America's boots. This will speed up production. Axe any and all meta humor that isn't in a Deadpool book, focus on story and force them to take the universe seriously. Ease up on the god damn crossover events. Sales say they aren't selling any more.

The major issue with Marvel is consistency, which comes down to crummy editors not doing their jobs.

>Bendis and Alonso are gone
>Cebulski is going to fix the terrible colorist and inker shit show
>Cates is killing it
>Bemis getting more work
>Ewing still around
>Duggan is saving Marvel Cosmic
Dunno what you're talking about, user. Things are looking pretty good to me. The two worst influences on Marvel are gone and the new blood they're getting are doing pretty well.

Writers need to stop with all the MCU pandering and writing as if they were writing material for the MCU.

That was the biggest problem with Bendis. All his stories felt soulless and flat because you just know he’s gunning for MCU royalties.

>was
Afaik nothing came out of the outrage yet, he's still slated to come in as EiC

Porns

Well The Mouse is planning on buying most of Fox, so the X-Men/FF neglect might finally end.

They're pushing Aaron and that's still a no from me.

Put PAD on Amazing, a decent team to bring back the F4 ,kick Pak off of Hulk and fire Sliney and Slott.

There is no such thing as a perfect world user.

This.

Anyone who says the problem is diversity doesn't know their All New All Different X Men. The issue is writing. Give Ms. Marvel, Moon Girl, hell, even Riri room to be interesting and people might pay attention to them.

There was some fanfic from an "insider" in a thread a couple of days ago (yes, I know, *so* reliable) that was saying something about the notion that Amanat is going to bat for C.B. behind the scenes because she's trying to prevent all her beloved pet diversity projects from getting flushed -- supposedly there's an imperative from the executives the the comics side of Marvel are supposed to sort their shit out NOW and if that means resetting everything and dumping all the legacy characters who aren't selling, well, they're apparently willing to take the social media hit on that.

It'd be funny if it were true (yes, I know, cool story bro and all that), because it'd mean that Amanat would be backstopping C.B. from all the Tumblr types howling for him to be removed before he starts just to save Miles and Kamala.

There's a general problem with talent at the big two lately
It's very rare these days to see someone with both the talent and love of the universe as the best writers of the 70's/80's did.

As much as I prefer current DC, Ewing and Duggan are probably the best in the biz when it comes to combining those two aspects. Guys like Soule, Lemire, Bunn, etc. clearly like big two comics but seem to have much more passion for their creator owned stuff.

>Fire Amant
>Stop pushing Carol, she fucking sucks
>Restore the original characters
>Miles, Kamala, and Sam need to grow up and get some classic stories. Enough of the kiddy shit. They need their Demon in a Bottle. They need stories writers can work with if they’re going to get adapted
>Remove Slott from Amazing and give Miles to him
>Ewing directs the universe
>Fire tumblr artists and writers
>Stop MCU shilling

>How do we fix Marvel?
Nothing. Let it die and have the characters be forgotten.

I sincerely hope the executives aren't dumb enough to think that the problem is with characters rather than with the people who write them.

There's no reason to just flush away everything that was part of the dumb diversity push, just don't renew contracts of retards who can't write and don't sell like Gabby Rivera, and characters who don't get picked up by new teams will just fall into limbo.

This whole erase and reset shit to make it clean and neat just leads to shit being more messy in the end, just let the natural process of boring characters falling into limbo.

Problem is Ewing and Duggan don't sell.

>This whole erase and reset shit to make it clean and neat just leads to shit being more messy
How? If they could just erase all the forced PC BS that hardly anyone likes (e.g. FemThor) and bring back the characters people DO like (e.g. Stark as Iron Man), what's wrong with that? I mean, I hate reboots as much as the next guy, but what needs to be done is what needs to be done.

I can't say you're wrong on Ewing but Duggan's Deadpool has been selling great and his GoTG is only selling bad because of Bendis Bendising it up.

Comic buyers are characterfags. If they put Ewing on Avengers and forced all movie characters back into it it'd sell like hotcakes again.

The guy running Marvel comics is notoriously cheap. He's purposefully hiring people from twitter and tumblr for peanuts. So much so that they can't attract genuine talent any more.

Marvel needs a thorough staff shuffle from the top-down. Perlmutter needs to go, because while he's still there he'll still be hiring writers and artists based on how little he can pay them above all else.

>Remove Slott from Amazing and give Miles to him

Does he make good miles stories?

>Miles, Kamala, and Sam need to grow up and get some classic stories. Enough of the kiddy shit. They need their Demon in a Bottle. They need stories writers can work with if they’re going to get adapted

Kamala and Nova should go on a space adventure. They are both space theme, it would be perfect to show it off.

Iron Man sold like shit even when Tony was in it until Bendis

You have all these idiots screaming that they need Tony, Banner, Dick Rider, etc back but no one was fucking buying their books before either.

Making Thor and Tony central pieces again does not requite a fucking reboot, retards need to stop pushing that dumb shit. They've both had legacies take over before and they both came back without the need for a fucking reboot. And now Thunderstrike is just in limbo, and stays there until someone wants to make a Thor Corps thing.

As if DC has any better writers.

Well, these are executive we're talking about here (and Marvel executives at that -- it took them THIS long to clue in that there were problems) so I wouldn't give them a lot of credit for intelligence -- they're probably looking at DC's sales surge (and the accompanying goodwill) after Rebirth and basically pointing at it and telling C.B. "do THAT!" because it's that kind of business genius that put them where the are today. But yes, ideally all the fanfic writers (Gabby Rivera is the prime offender here -- GOD her stuff is awful, just hateful wish fulfillment "I want to hurt all the hateful white guys and straights") would be banished back to shitty self-published webcomics and better talent would take their place. The question is whether the well has been irredeemably poisoned on some of the characters they've written to the point where simply retconning them out of existence is the best option.

Not a single person does good Miles stories. There's simply nothing to go off of when it comes to that particular character.

You have no clue what you're talking about and are just parroting the Perlmutter meme

Perlmutter doesn't hire writers and artists. He doesn't give a shit about the comics, he's the OWNER of the entire company, comics is just one division to him, one that is barely even profitable. He bought the company solely for the toy rights. And saying he "needs to go" is useless, because again he OWNS THE COMPANY.

Also the writers and artists are not being hired off twitter and tumblr, again you have no clue what you're talking about. Maybe like two or three artists working there ever had a tumblr. Artists are hired for being friends with people within Marvel, just like always. They have been bringing in shitty writers from outside comics, but if anything they cost MORE than hiring unknowns because they already have published material that sold more than any comic does.

Kamala's space theme is puddle deep. She's just a stretchy girl, what the fuck can she do that's useful in space, she's not a tech wizz beyond playing MMORPGs either.
She definitely street level for the foreseeable future. Why they made a streetlevel character a "legacy" of a cosmic one, your guess is as good as mine.

>Kamala and Nova should go on a space adventure.
Disagree, for the time being. Kamala's book's been constantly pre-empted by events or politics. I'd rather they get back to her status quo and return to its simple roots for a while. After that, then I'd be up for a space arc.

Miles is fun when he's not the main character, mainly because he's not written by Bendis when it happens.

>Not a single person does good Miles stories. There's simply nothing to go off of when it comes to that particular character.

Ms. Marvel story did a good miles story. And I like his origins story.

Kamala is not space themed, she doesn't have anything to do with the Kree like Carol did.

She was just a Carol fangirl who grew on her own and she's Amanat's and Wilson's pet character.

Sam should have more space adventures but also orbit around Earth, kind of like how Duggan wrote him.

switch the movie and comic people around

You don't read DC comics do you?

Leave marvel to us

Those "Insider" threads are just made by neofags that're trying to pull the same shit that they used to do on their home site.

What the heck happened between Scalped and his big Marvel tenure?

listen to potty mouth Spiderman, this is the only course of action.
While they are at that, please take Bendis back

pass the link to read it

You need to hire comic book guys to write the main books in continuity and the TV guys can get mini/maxi/trades books with looser continuity.

Art wise there isn't much you can do while double and triple shipping. Mini series should only have one artist and they shouldn't be solicited until the final book is in

Digital first should become what Ultimate was after Ultimatum, books where new talent can get on the job training. These books should be in continuity and referenced in main books to get fanboys to move out of the LCSs

>Cebulski is going to fix the terrible colorist and inker shit show
What now?

Honestly, just get rid of Perlmutter, ask Disney to throw some money their way to mend fences with people and then just let it happen naturally.

an OCD Editor that won't accept anything that doesnt work in continuity of the characters

Stop this stupid whittling down of the Marvel Universe! The past 2 major events have been the same characters already in books! What happened to surprise faces and fan favorites? What happened to franchises being their own thing and not a mash up of several Marvel characters over and over?! BUILD YOUR UNIVERSE! Stop stalling it!

Based Bemis, Brisson, Cates, Duggan, Ewing, Rosenberg and Robbie Thompson are saving comics
that's actually a pretty good roster
who does DC have besides Yang, Priest and Castallucci

>Afaik nothing came out of the outrage yet,
Oh for fuck sakes, who did he jerk off in front of...?

Rivera's America frustrates me so much because she's tarnishing a character who could be fun in the hands of a good writer who's not pushing an agenda.

Not just Amanat, but the "insider" mentioned someone else. Also, the supposedly stuff C.B. said to her was good shit, lmao.

I just didn't start reading with rebirth, so I don't consider mediocrity to be good. They have no good writers except Priest and Yang, in their main line.

kill image

He tried his hand outside of crime comics.

No decent writer wants to write for the big two. Even the ones writing are just phoning it in. Forget Marvel, the big two is in it's worst state in history.

Give the heroes a personality, higher stakes and better adversaries.
The CCA is irrelevant now, your heroes don't all have to be role models, stop making them bland and inoffensive. No need to go all grimdark but it's all a bit meh right now.

That will enrage all the man children.

Diversitys still a problem, wether you like it or not

Here's a thought.

PAY THEM.

They let a ton of people walk over the last 7 years and now only have a tiny amount of good writers and shit for the rest of their books.

>she doesn't have anything to do with the Kree

What would you put Ahmed on after Black Bolt?

Idk. I found it boring after a couple of issues. What did you like about it?

No? Most of the older fans grew up reading a much darker Marvel.

Captain America was ata time where is unwavering patriotism was being crushed by a government that was corrupt at every turn. He was increasingly having to face the dark side of the country that made him who he was

Tony Stark had a drinking problem and could barely put on the suit at times. He even gave it up! Tony was never a nice or good guy in the old days.

Bruce Banner hated himself. Banner is one of the darkest heroes when you really think about it.

Carol and Bobby were busy getting raped

Marvel has always been kind of dark. It’s better when it’s heroes have to overcome adversity and fight to be the heroes people think they are.

Not this perfect hero bullshit we see now with the legacy teens.

I thought it pretty interesting to see Black Bolt out of his element. I enjoy that in his head BB has rationalized all the killing he has done and does the same before he takes someone out. Did a great job of making Creel sympathetic and his friendship BB was fun.

You know who to call.

There need to be more villains. Like a villain event.

Some jerk bombs a jail with terrigans mist. And now, there is a bunch of criminals with different powers/forms.

If DC is any indicator, a Miracleman crossover should be in the works.

Or they could finish releasing the damn thing.

>97282358
>digital
disgusting

Marvel got popular in the first place because it gave its audience superheroes with real world problems, but now they've got heroes who engage in a lot of real world mundanities, but don't seem to really have believable, relatable problems.
Someone earlier said Kamala/Miles/etc. need their Demon In a Bottle and I realized I really can't imagine modern Marvel doing a story about a character struggling with alcoholism like Tony or real poverty like Peter these days. Everyone just has minor #relatable problems and is otherwise perfect.

It wasn't an insider thread, though. It was a random post.

Oh yeah, some chick ready to slit amanat's throat to take her place, right?

Yost?

Sounds like a decent enough idea. SOME decent villain could come from it.

I don't give a shit about black or trans characters, just stop shitting on Trump supporters in the comics. I stopped paying for their shit because of it.

Are they? The only book he's writing is Thor and the next big event comic is by Duggan.

In one of his first statements, he said that one of his top priorities will be having inkers, colorists and letterers get treated as importantly as writers and artists. Considering Marvel's current inkers and colorists are fucking trash and consistently ruin the art of their books title after title, this is big.

>who does DC have besides Yang, Priest and Castallucci
Bendis

Thank god. The awful inking/coloring is fucking infuriating. Marvel has SO MANY good artists and yet barely any of their books actually look good because they have fucking chimps coloring over it in MS Paint it feels like. I can't believe you have artists like Kuder and Sorrentino and Pulido and etc whose work by all accounts should be great and yet every time I pick up a book with them it looks like shit. Fuck I'm getting mad just thinking about it.

Honestly, "reeee get rid of the diversity etc."
One of their biggest problems is that they make comics for an audience that does not buy comics. Obviously DC is shit too, but at least they don't suffer from this sjw (as badly) as marvel does.

That said, I was pleasantly surprised (or disgusted) to discover that the alan moore miracleman collection I've been reading is a marvel imprint.

Hilarious that he made them take his name off of it. And that Moore somehow hates Marvel even more than he hates DC.

>Sorrentino
Another "I trace Poser models and heavily shadow everything to hide it" faggot. He can fiuck off.

She really doesn't. Nobody gives a shit about what tiny tie to the Kree her Inhuman status gives her.

Any writer who works for the big two eventually hates them both.

If anything characters like Kamala and Miles don't need Demon in a Bottle-type stories because they'd just read like soap opera bullshit. There are plenty of ways to go about it without sudden personal tragedy and destruction. And it should be pointed out that Demon in a Bottle simply gave Stark a problem with alcohol, he didn't become a fully blown alcoholic until Stane showed up.

I'd put Amanat right up there with Alonso and Bendis in terms of worst influences on Marvel, desu. She needs to go or have her influence cut to crumbs. Same with Brevoort.

I agree that if Cebulski manages to remain EiC (hopefully), things are definitely looking up. Getting the technicals fixed so that the books stop looking like amateurish dogshit is a great first step, though they really need to focus on fixing Marvel's editorial as a whole. is right when he says a major issue is their lack of consistency, and that's all down to poor editorial. It's terrible how a writer forgets their own continuity within the same book between a handful of issues, and it's even more noticeable in this "writing for trade" market.

Marvel needs strong creative direction as well, and you'll only get that from decent editors.

You're right that Ike has nothing to do with who gets hired, and frankly doesn't give a shit despite being a notorious cheapass turbojew, but he doesn't own Marvel. Disney owns Marvel, and Ike's just the CEO, or former CEO if the rumours are true.

>Oh yeah, some chick ready to slit amanat's throat to take her place, right?
Pretty sure that thread namedropped Heather Antos, which overplayed his hand. She's only a recognisable name because of the whole milkshake fake controversy thing and eceleb shilling.

>Kuder
Eah, he's alright.
>Sorrentino
Poser bullshit.
>Pulido
Now I know you're joking.

Perlmutter is friends with Trump. Trump fuels the SJW rage, Perlmutter couldn't give a shit about comics.

let's not be hasty

>How do we fix marvel

get rid of the O5

>ax meta humor that isn't deadpool
this is good advice

Moore had his name removed because he didn't know he was writing on a stolen property.

Marvel hasn't changed that much though.
Republitards are just more whiny now.

It's going to be a year before we see what Cebulski can do and if Marvel will finally stop forcing diversity and hiring shitty writers. Here's what need to happen:

>reinstate confidence in comic shop owners
>make a statement/apology and talk about how things will get better and characters people have loved for decades will be brought back
>editors, real editors
>bring back all characters that have been replaced either through diversity or due to movie rights
>kick slott off of asm and undo omd (spider-man is in a shit situation compared to what he once was, desperate times call for desperate measures)
>stop forcing inhumans but keep a couple of their ongoings
>get rid of the o5 and bring back scott
>snatch up solid writers and sign exclusives to stave off dc from doing the same
>get rid of brevoort
>social media mandate to stop the shit flinging online
>give spencer another shot at writing, put him on thunderbolts or something
>get rid of america and squirrel girl, fuck the brownie points from people that don't buy comics
>keep this infinity event to a bare minimum and make sure there's actually a stoppage to events for a while and make sure next events are never more than 5 issues (still have minis and single issue tie ins)

1. Quit trying to write each and every character like Spider-Man.
No character has a unique voice anymore. They’re all the same: “I’m just a regular person but I have these powers. And I live in this wacky universe full of quirky characters. Hijinks ensue.”
It’s boring. If I want to read Spider-Man, I’d read Marvel Adventures.

2. Stop trying to push obscure characters for the sake of providing fodder for the movies.
Go in with a plan for the character that will matter.
Don’t just put them out there because MCU Phase 4 Movie #34 wants a 5-second Easter egg. I’m looking at you, Prowler.

3. Strengthen the relationship of a legacy character.
Jarring and sudden changes are always going to be met with opposition. Especially if the replacement kind of comes out of nowhere.
Falcon as Captain America and X-23 as Wolverine made the most sense within the context of the universe because they had a history with Steve and Logan, but there was no lead-up to the passing of the mantle.
Jane wasn’t a major part of Thor’s world for years, and all of a sudden she’s taking the hammer.
Riri was a literally who that Tony magically met and complimented and now she’s Iron Man.
Dick becoming Batman or Wally/Bart becoming Flash had an impact because they’ve had DECADES of stories and interactions before they had to step up to the plate.
There’s an established relationship and history with the characters that makes it kind of satisfying to see them don the suits.
I get that writers don’t have years to build that kind of thing up but don’t just switch them out within 5 issues.

4. Figure out what you want to do with your characters or leave them alone.
If you don’t know what you want to do with them, don’t feel the need to shove them into things because they appeared in an MCU movie or because you have to remind readers they still exist. (Miles/Jessica Jones/Agents of SHIELD)
Give them time to stew or just leave them alone.

Make Miles a Spidey sidekick. Peter learns how to be a mentor, Miles learns how to be a better hero.

If he has to have a solo series, don’t just make it “the other Spider-Man.” He’s a different character from Peter and he has a different power set. Utilize it.

Also, I want a Luke Cage series he fights giant monsters.
We get it, he has bulletproof skin. Quit pitting him against villains with guns.
I want him to actually fight something that won’t bounce off of him.
He was POWER Man, show the POWER.

marvel should hire me, and let me do whatever I want with the characters nobody else wants

Get real writers back on board, Marvel Knights style. Hell, they should outhright give a tons of money to Robert Kirkman, Neil Gaiman and such big names to force them to come back,

Editorial needs to change. Sure they can get good writers but a good editor can turn a shit writer to mediocre. Marvel desperately needs improvement in the quality department

First sack the entire Tumblr-San Fran-infested staff, then replace them with animation staff from Disney. Lot of the rules of making comics apply to storyboards and animation and the odds are most animators have done comics of their own at some point so transition would be easy.

>I'd put Amanat right up there with Alonso and Bendis in terms of worst influences on Marvel, desu
She's had no influence in anything but Ms Marvel's creation. Amanat is just the pinnacle of cronyism - someone who is given a cushy, well paid job with a meaningless title out of friendship. She is a nobody with no power and a nice salary.
Brevoort is an annoying shit but he can at least do his job when needed. He used to actually reign some of Bendis's shit in until Bendis got really big. If you want to aim at someone who is a problem, look at Quesada. The current state of Marvel is Quesada.

Slott likes making OCs, Miles really needs some things to call his own. Slott might not write any character defining moments for him, but at the very least he'll give Miles some things that aren't hand-me-downs from Peter. Other, better writers can use these tools to make something good.

Outside of the current "scandal", CB is best known as a good talent scout.

Just put them next to DC writers so they seem better.