Basically written out of the comics

>basically written out of the comics
>replaced on the League by Cyborg
Why do they hate him Sup Forums?

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his fans are faggots but virgins

Not black enough

too bald
needs a 90s mullet

Probably too powerful. They wanted Wonder Woman to be second strongest.

hes a reminder that the only thing more out there than someone from mars is a black guy stopping crime lol

He's the thinking man's superhero.

He's pretty much a superman that don't look like a human. It was a bad choice to make him a member to begin with.

Cyborg could be a great member if the made like Mr freeze and turned his comic version like the far more charismatic and complex teen titans show one.

Justice league animated series wally best being best bros with TT cyborg would be the best shit ever.

He's forgettable and D-Tier Hero.

this
>forgettable
He's been in every Justice League animated series and has only fallen out of popularity since New 52.
>D-Tier
Even in the New 52 he was considered as the only hero who could contend with Superman in Trinity War

Superman already covers the last of his kind alien with a cape.

If he was a black dude named Marshawn Manhunter who merely got martian powers he probably would still be around.

Because the only thing that stops him from being a C-List rip-off of Superman is good, imaginative witty writing, which DC doesn`t have tons of these days. But Giffen/Morrison/Ostrander/DCAU all wrote a great J'onn.

I dunno, lemme just think about it for a minute an-AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

He was written out of the comics in the late 60's too. He's always been the least popular League member, sadly.

He overlaps with Superman too much and he'd also require CGI which we all know DC's movie studio can't handle.

I think the reason he's the most expendable league member is because it's kind of hard to figure out what they do if you're not familiar with them.
>Flash's name and design makes it clear he's the fast guy
>Aquaman's name and design make it clear he's the water guy
>Cyborg's name and design make it clear he has robot powers
You can't really parse what Martian Manhunter's abilities or role on the team are just by looking at him. Green Lantern has this problem too, which is why you don't see him often on merchandise.

But Flash is the second strongest. Followed by Green Lantern. And Aquaman's pretty much on par with her.

>Johns wants his husbando to be THE green lantern
>because of the JL cartoon, normies only know John Stewart
>Johns, knowing Nu52 origin will serve as the team in all forms of media AND be the blueprint to the first Justice League movie, makes Hal GL and puts Cyborg there to be the token member now because he has nostalgia for the later seasons of Superfriends and can likely be their "iron man" without being Iron Man lite like Steel
>his plan pays off and as luck would have it, his husbando is also spared from being raped by Snyder and Whedon
It was brilliant, really.

Flash is Like Hulk, his lvl is completelly inconsistent

Oreos are hard to license.

Divershitty quota. Some character had to be cut to make room for the mandatory nigger.

The same reason the JL cartoon had AAAAUUUH and JLU wrote him out. Telepaths are hard to plot around.

Martian is like captain atom and Dr fate, too overpowered to be part of a superhero team

>New 52
There's the issue. Best to keep him there.

I don't really blame them for Cyborg because the real problem is the belief Hollywood people have had for decades now that if you don't have a black supporting actor, black people won't go see it.

And no, it has nothing to do with "diversity" or "muh SJWs" as many people too young to remember how long this has been around seem to think, it's literally only because Hollywood wants the "urban market".

I'm not sure if there's any truth to that belief, but I have a good feeling it's bullshit, and if it is true it's because black people want to see a FAMOUS black actor, not fucking Ray Fisher.

If they got, I don't fucking know, Idris Elba or Morgan Freeman or Samuel L. Jackson or some other actor black people love it would have made sense, but since they got someone virtually unknown, they might as well have not had a black guy at all. That's the only part I'm mad about. If they had Cyborg with a really good, well-known actor, and given him a really kickass design and a funny personality, he could have been a success.

Has he even appeared in Rebirth at all? His DC You series was pretty damn good but he's literally dropped off the map since.

No Superfriends appeareance

>Has he even appeared in Rebirth at all?
Nope. Neither has Billy, despite both being featured in Rebirth promo art.

Martians are the niggers of the universe

He's only there to make plastic man look good.

No, white martians are.

>naturally violent, especially amongst themselves
>hated by the greens who are civilized and peaceful
>have to be quarantined to their own shitholes

It's one of those cases where the writers dropped the ball several times in a row and then blamed the character.

This is bullshit, I'm going to telepathically contact DCEU and tell them how much- AAAAAARRRRRRGGHHH!

>We're going to colonize Mars in about a decade
>J'onn will be rendered obsolete because of this
Mars isn't going to be the red planet anymore

They should give J'onn to one of their most talented writers like King. His strength as a character lies in the fact that he's powerful but his personality is unlike other superheroes. He doesn't really lend himself well to an ongoing in the current comics style.

So the two directions they should consider are:
1) Mystery series with J'onn solving crimes while protecting his secret, trying to fit in with humanity
2) Maxiseries like Vision or Mr. Miracle that focuses on being very artistic and different from current comics

Not really
He's an ANCIENT Martian

>we're going to colonize Krypton in about 5 years
>Kal-El will be rendered obsolete because of this

King would probably be good on J'onn. Alien who watched his wife, children and entire race burn? Just the kind of introspective, traumatized character King loves to write.

>He sees what has happened to his home planet
>Muh red sand
>Muh people's history wiped out
>Damn you all
And then someone throws an Oreo into his mouth

>Colonizing a destroyed planet
what?

Maybe it's for the best.

He only really gets used in Justice League, and JL has been garbage for like a decade.

Maybe they should try making him a cosmic hero. A space cop.

Relaunch L.E.G.I.O.N. with him as a member. Him and Dox could make for an interesting dynamic.

I wonder if the ongoing implosion of the DCEU will create an opportunity for Martian Manhunter to come back in some way. I doubt it, and it's probably delusional to even think it's a possibility, but Cyborg's big live action debut being shackled to such a bust will probably keep him from becoming a definitive League member in the eyes of the public, so I want to believe there is a distant chance.

Make him a private investigator regarding alien activity on Earth like Men in Black

>>We're going to colonize Mars in about a decade
What? 100 years seems more plausible.

Didn't they do that already? Even then, do more of it

I think that was the idea during the New 52, but they just kind of abandoned the idea.

You never readed Ostrander and Mandrake run, don't you??

Justice League 2 will certainly feature Hal and I think J'onn. They're going to want to introduce more characters since Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman failed to resonate with people like I think they wanted them to. ESPECIALLY if the Aquaman movie doesn't go over well.

However expect Hal to be their attempt at capturing the RDJ Iron Man type and J'onn will be the New 52 angry asshole version.

>CGI
You can just use make-up. It's not that fucking hard

what is essential manhunter core?

You'd think WB would be more open to make-up and other practical effects considering it got them an Oscar.

Ostrander's run
The JLI issue where he gets an Oreo addiction

>he'd also require CGI
Marvel seems to be doing fine with Vision being make-up. I'm sure DC could do the same.

no but warner bros. fuck it anyway. This movie was written by the same people that wrote Logan, Bladerunner 2049 and the arrow tv show and directed by the same person that made casino royale and golden eye btw.

How come people don't complain that MM has too many powers but they bitch that Superman's Ice breath is too much? He is pretty much beast Boy, Superman and Professor X rolled together

Who do you cast as J'on though?

The JL 1,000,000 issue(s) with him is pretty cool too.

>diversity
>on the justice league
>in the post modern era
>in a fictional universe that is now taking place in the same time period as our own

i don't see a problem with wanting there to be a black person on the team, at least they didn't race swap a character like wonder woman or aquaman

i like MM way more than Cyborg...honestly the Movie Cyborg seemed interesting. I think with a good writer and a different kind of plot for a hero film cyborg could be interesting.

lmao

>people don't complain that MM has too many powers
Bullshit, some people absolutely do. It's just not common because hardly anyone wants to talk about MM to begin with, and if they do, the discussion ends there because we all agree. It's like saying people don't complain that water is wet.

His weakness is more easily exploitable.

If I could write a Martian Manhunter book I’d write it a bit differently. I would retcon his origin.

A. He was a teenager when he Cafe to Earth. He had to leave because the Green vs. White Martian War was going to eradicate all life on Mars

2. He is sent in a rocket ship to earth by his dad. He lands in 1960s New York specifically The Bronx

3. He is brought in and raised by The Johns a family of well meaning Black people. As he grows up he sees the systematic oppression of black people.

4. He decides to become a cop and fight corruption from the inside. He uses his mind control powers to help his adopted people and fight “The Man”.

5. His message spreads and the KKK comes and lights a flaming cross in his yard. This is where he discovers his weakness to fire. He is saved by his love interest Tyrone Jones (MM is a pansexual)

6. He joins the justice League but fights with the league and forces him to recognize their white privilege. They recognize it and make him the leader because of his superior black intellect.

He was the hero black people needed and deserved.

My series would tackle racism, LGBT pride, trans-racialism, colonization, The evils of America for the average black person, and victimization.

I’m waiting to be contacted DC.

This post gave me cancer. I'm sure WB would love to plagiarize it.

The issue is that Martian Manhunter usually isn't pulling Superman's high end physical feats, and his psychic abilities are generally seen as a joke due to how often they fail.

i unironically like your idea up until it turns into parody, I think that at a point he should run into the black panthers and realize that racism and bigorty know no skin color and it dis allusions him toward humanity which causes him to retreat from humans and live in the woods or some shit, then during a great catastrophe he runs into superman and the justice league and helps them but goes into hiding again afterwards.

>Literally no interesting villains

He IS the villain

>this post
whitebois have taken victim mentality to a whole new level

>“How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?”
>Pause
>“How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?”

>“Well, he hasn’t been rebooted but he’s a mainstay in the Justice League. He can’t be fucking called the Martian Manhunter because that’s goofy. He can be called Manhunter… The whole deal with Martian Manhunter is he’s an alien living amongst us… So he comes down to Earth and decides, unlike Superman who already exists in the world now, that he’s just going to be a homicide detective… So instead of using super-powers and mind-reading and like, oh, I could figure out if the President’s lying or whatever, he just decides to disguise himself as a human homicide detective. Dare to dream!”

-David S. Goyer, writer of Man of Steel, BvS, and the Nolan Batman trilogy

>Whenever kiddies bring up MM on Sup Forums it's usually to cry about Cyborg in the exact same sentence

I wonder what Sup Forums would say if the JL cartoon came out today, and hawkgirl was in the main line-up instead of aquaman, and John being the GL. Probably some autism about SJWs and Jews.

>m-muh sjws
I think MM is a better character for the league and Cyborg works better as a teen titan.

A bit unrelated but this seems a good enougj thread to ask. Is there anyone whose primary power is shape shifting who doesn't job all of the time? Not like plastic man shape shifting but like animals and imaginary beasts and shit.

Animal Man?

I have an unpopular opinion here, but I actually really like Cyborg. I am loving him in Dark Nights Metal. I wish he had a better writer on his solo rebirth series.

I think a guy whose planet was destroyed by a race war would be unimpressed with any racism he saw among humans. He wouldn't like it and would try to guide them to a better path, but he wouldn't be disillusioned with humanity just because they fall into the same negative behaviors his own people did. Instead I would envision him as being slightly depressed to see that shit is the same no matter what planet he's on, but still determined to help humans avoid the fate of his people. Maybe later a White Martian can show up and, equally determined to prevent his new home from being destroyed, pursues a villainous agenda of trying to give one group of humans a big enough edge to wipe out all others and thereby eliminate the problem of inter-group conflict at its source.

>So he comes down to Earth and decides, unlike Superman who already exists in the world now, that he’s just going to be a homicide detective… So instead of using super-powers and mind-reading and like, oh, I could figure out if the President’s lying or whatever, he just decides to disguise himself as a human homicide detective. Dare to dream!”
This is just baffling to me. Superman is practically a god and yet keeps up a day job as a reporter. Why is MM keeping a day job as a police officer any different? It's just a cover so they can have a normal, low key life when they aren't being superheros.

Best thing they can do is stick with the coach angle, and have Cyborg be the "hero trainer" of the League. Vic can be the teacher that transitions sidekicks/Titans into League members

I think he would see that the Blank Panthers were fighting the systemic enslavement and oppression of their people. He would see the evil white devils for what they are and he would fight back against the oppressive evil white government. I could see Martian Manhunter joining them and leading them to victory.

I like this angle. I think it makes him more than just the tech guy with dark skin. His Injustice 2 look is actually the best look.

Good, i like this, but the Black Panthers weren't a discriminatory organization. They were primarily focused on community outreach and charity programs like running libraries and soup kitchens, as well as policing the police.

There were White Panthers who worked alongside them too, not a part of the same group yes but a sister group all the same.

The best part about J'onn's alternate identities is that they're plural. Yes, he has John Jones, but he can also be anyone and anything and that's great.

The problem with it though is that it makes it a but difficult to set up supporting casts. I mean, the recent New 52 book had most of the supporting casts be other J'onns

Everyone constantly bitches about J'onn "jobbing"

Yeah thats true, and really, all this is better than anything i think WB would ever produce sadly.

didn't know that about the black panthers, also, failed to relize that in the 1960s the level of oppression African American's faced was much more pronounced than today so that angle wouldn't really work in that setting. really activated my almonds there.

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i feel like it would be more cinematic if cyborg had more human parts on him. not exactly like this but some in between.

Casuals will just think he's a Vision rip off

Sometimes DC wants people to forget, because there's a certain sect of Supesfags who get incredibly butthurt at the suggestion Clark isn't the most powerful being on Earth.

It literally only exists because a Warner Brothers executive wanted a superhero movie based around fighter jets and Hal is a former Air Force pilot.

i think that cyborg does but cover it up with armor

nice cans

fucking producers. need them to make movies, but then, they fucking ruin them as well.

>The whole deal with Martian Manhunter is he’s an alien living amongst us… So he comes down to Earth and decides, unlike Superman who already exists in the world now, that he’s just going to be a homicide detective…
I don't fucking understand how he says all this and doesn't think that's cool as hell

Yeah, the Panthers were actually really fucking neat. The FBI HATED them though, and was constantly harassing/intimidating them, going as far as blatantly assassinating Fred Hampton.

Hey, it's actually the anniversary of that assassination, huh. Neat.

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They should honestly drop most of his powers. Being super-strong, super-fast, flying,telepathic, telekinetic, mind-reading, shape-shifting, invisible, phasing through walls, regenerating, and having heat-vision makes him way overpowered with writers having to constantly write around how he's not just wrecking every villain in the DC universe.

It's funny, because there is already a story where he becomes a black man, marches against the KKK, and gets beat down by racist cops while experiencing black solidarity in the face of oppression.

I still think that someone should adapt Dean Koontz's "Hardshell" to be about the Martian Manhunter.

You know what, I think we should all enjoy this together.

From Justice League International Quarterly #11

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