Patreon Backs Down on New Fees

Very likely to the chagrin of those who wanted this to kill the service.

>Creators and Patrons,

>We’ve heard you loud and clear. We’re not going to rollout the changes to our payments system that we announced last week. We still have to fix the problems that those changes addressed, but we’re going to fix them in a different way, and we’re going to work with you to come up with the specifics, as we should have done the first time around. Many of you lost patrons, and you lost income. No apology will make up for that, but nevertheless, I’m sorry. It is our core belief that you should own the relationships with your fans. These are your businesses, and they are your fans.

blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/

Good. I get why they did it. It's meant to pass on the earnings to the creators. But creators get their earnings from patrons, and if you're upcharging the patrons, many of them will leave as we've seen in the last week.

>Not Sup Forums

Damn. I was hoping they would screw over the cucks. You failed me, patreon.

Jezus Christian that list

>you will never be paid $6000 a month to draw

damn thats an uncommon kind of feel

>there are 1300 people who like Assigned Male enough to pay money for it.

>content creators finally find a way to independently release material and make a living off of it
>Sup Forums hates it
this doesn't surprise me. Maybe get off your ass and make shit instead of bitching about it

>living off of it
It's quite a gamble, most patreons are in the 0-500$ area, people who effectively live out of it are a minority and many are actually running a real company, and aren't independent at all.

I hate assigned male. I think it's genuinely one of the worst comics I've ever seen.

But what other people do with their money is none of my business.

Zach is second so I can live with this list

Hand Stab's got clout.

yeah.
oh neat.... sophie. what the fuck?

Sup Forums let's band together and get Aaron Neathery higher on this list.

>creating comics

And people pay for that why....? Why not get an actual job?

The damage is already done.

Because they want to do comics?

it is a job.. but instead of being paid by advertisers, like most "free" media, they are paid by sponsors.

>Sophie Labelle
Oh no

if you draw cocks and tentacles you will

>meanwhile a average porn artist is making 10.000+ a month

>Jeph Jacques hid his earnings because even he couldn't justify the amount of money he was being paid to make his lazy as shit comic

Wew lads

I wonder how many of these people are paying tax on this income. Maybe some IRS anons here can pay them a little visit.

I feel like a lot of creators aren't going to recover from the decrease in support they've already seen, but it's good that Patreon at least listened before actually enacting the changes. They still fucked up.

and where does Dobson placed on that list?

It's not even been a day since they made an announcement. Hopefully all the people that withdrawl their patronage will return, at least I'm expecting most will

I didn't bother touching my numbers just because I knew they'd back down on this. It was such a bad idea it was gonna hit their bottom line as well.

>a average porn artist is making 10.000+ a month
Damn, I really really really wish.

If there's a market for it and you get paid for it then it IS a job, you loon.

Dobbles has 18 patrons.

Dobson has 18 family members who haven't disowned him? They must be real loyal.

Good, as one guy poignantly said

> I remember being broke. I remember how much 5 dollars a month can be for some people. And I don't forget that the only reason it isn't anymore is because you guys support a show that you could easily steal.

Good to see Siddell doing well.

Wish you could say the same thing about him emotionally, but he's not. Guy recently went nearly two weeks without eating.

In my country if you are an artist you can literally donate a piece of shit as an art piece and put whatever price you want over it. irs even has to get excess income back to you. so there's that.

What was the change they were going to make anyway?

A minor extra fee which really wouldn't do anything. But entitled complainers gonna complain

What a shame.

Think about it. if you have 10,000 followers and out of the 10,000, 6000 people decides to donate you a US$1.00. Patreon take a small percentage of the payment. That would still leave you with a large sum of money. Enough to support you for two months.

Hacques confirmed that he lost hundreds of dollars in $1 donations from people who found the fees that add up from all that unacceptable.

He should have lost more.

>Assigned Male 1,325 patrons
what in the fuck
I genuinely thought that shit was too wild even for the harder socjus types
dude is earning at least minimal living expenses

dude go make very rapey porn games.
Those things make so much money holy shit.
The four elements trainer guy gets like 9000 a month.

Service fees that would originally be paid by the artist got shunted over to the patrons, meaning that if you donated 1 dollar to a patron per month, you'd actually be paying 2 dollars. Doesn't sound like much, but if you donate to 120 patrons you're now suddenly paying $240 per month instead of $120. Not only that, the fees were per transaction, so if an artist switched to pay per post (content) instead of per month, you'd be paying the transaction fee each time.

Retard.

Paylet

If assigned male can get a decent income for that shitty comic, It gives me hope that I can still make it somehow with my webcomic that's full of Sup Forums,Sup Forums, and Sup Forums tropes.

Good. I don't want it to die before I can jump on board and cash in.

Despise twats like you.

"Stop doing the thing that you enjoy making and people like receiving. Get yourself a real job. A real job you don't enjoy and answer to someone who thinks you're a cunt."

Piss off

Hell yeah, glad Patreon came to their senses

The most common theory is that the majority of them were old donors who were donating so little each month that they just outright forgot they were giving money to him.

Jobs aren't supposed to be enjoyable. They're work. You work so you get money so THEN you can go and do shit you like. The whole "your job should be your hobby" meme was something that started in the late 80s as a way of getting people into college en masse in order to depreciate the value of college thus making the business world even more competitive while at the same time less rewarding.

>Jobs aren't supposed to be enjoyable
Why? You honestly think people will be more productive if they're miserable?

>weinersmith

>Jacques
>Willis
>Corsetto
>Leth
>Labelle

>Patreon before:
Hmm, feels like we aren't getting enough of the donated money. I mean, we aren't going broke, but our profits are too small. We deserve bigger profits! Let's just add a fee onto it. Sure, it'll make $1 donations a complete waste, but that's small money anyways, why would the artists complain about that?
>creators : Uh, can we just stick with the old system? This won't end well for us
>Patreon : NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL, WE HAVE TO MOVE TO NEW SYSTEM.

>Patreon now : Ok, old system is back in place, guess we shouldn't have done this after all.

Reminds me of Microsoft and the Kennect thing. It's impossible to do what the customers want, right up until the customers start to walk away with their money.

>the absolute state of Zub

People seem pretty quick to forgive the company and act like they never did anything wrong to begin with.

I know they're more productive when they learn to separate business from pleasure instead of goofing around in the office like they were in their school's cafeteria.

Doesn't work or China so I doubt it would work for the rest of us.

Left-leaning people in particular seem to love corporations.

For them to reverse their decision they must have lost a decent percentage of patrons. I wonder how many people cancelled accounts and pledges to force their hand like that.

Even for those who are chill with trans people, Assigned Male is fucking unbearable to read.

So you want to spend a significant amount of your time for the forseeable future on something you don't enjoy? Maybe if you're a masochist, but you might as well pay a prostiture to step on your dick

Probably not? Assigned Male is garbage, but it doesn't really have much competitors which is why people flock to it. A general videogame and anime webcomic needs to really offer something different to stand from the pack of a million Penny Arcade clones

>garbagemen enjoy their jobs
Yes user, that's how it works. Prior to the modern age, jobs were just exchanges of labor for currency, rather than being viewed as an important part to your personal well-being and happiness.

why not both?

Ok, go find me a few hundred thousand people who like to haul garbage and we'll get our current garbagemen into jobs they actually like. Hop to it user.

>dude profit is inherently bad and greedy lmao

they have to pay interest debts to the investors that lended them the startup money for patreon in the first place, and whatever profit they make is only a tiny fraction of what those people lent. It's not so much "I wanna be needlessly rich and greedy" as much as "If I don't find a way to make more money these people will have legal recourse to kick me out of my own company, and then they'll just ruin it"

I volunteer myself. I have no delusions that I will enjoy it, as long as there's money.

Why does that have to be my job?

I wouldn't enjoy that.

Within 20 years garbage collection will be completely automated.

I would agree with you if they didn't do a 180 immediately once everyone started walking away. If they really were in a position where they needed the money, they would have proposed a system similar to the old system that would still move more money to them. They did not, since they didn't really need that money.

And I'm not anti-profit socialist scum, I just enjoy laughing at companies who swear up and down that things need to be a certain way only to do a complete 180 when all the walking wallets decide to leave.

So...Blaster Nation?

Within 20 years, no one except the four or five CEOs governing the world from their fusion-powered space stations will have jobs.

>implying Sup Forums users pay for the media they enjoy and consume

Or maybe he is embarrassed they were all 1$ or something.

No, it's the other reason. Pretty sure he was getting bombarded with tweets and comparing pages of his comics full of drawing errors and "$6500 A MONTH" until he got sick of it and disabled his earnings.

You're not wrong, but the whole 'real job/fake job' dichotomy that's frequently used to batter low-earning artists is pretty moot in modern society. Most jobs available aren't 'real' jobs in the sense that they contribute anything to the functioning of society. Imagine how many people with 'real' jobs would be totally out of work if fast food and pornography instantly became unprofitable.

Percent surcharge wasn't the worst idea in the world. It was specifically adding a 35 cent PER PLEDGE flat fee that ruined them.

>jobs aren't necessarily supposed to be enjoyable
Correct.
>no one anywhere should enjoy what they do
Now you're retarded. Fuck off.

tthere are probably 1300 assigned male fans total and they all donate

>People are earning close to $8000 a month drawing webcomics
Jesus, why the fuck do all these people complain about how shit their lives are? They have the cushiest job imaginable.

The Free Market saves the day again!

I'm curious, how do you explain all the huge corporations that make sure to keep their workers happy and enjoying their job? Do you think it's because they're weirdo socialist corporations that AREN'T just working off of studies that shows that happy workers are more productive workers? Their whole deal is to make money off of labour and even they know people are more productive when they get some pleasure from doing it.

Why are people mad about this? There are people who do nothing and earn 1000 times more than this.

If something were fun, everyone would want to do it, driving the wage of it down to zero.

I'd say that they have to draw a lot in a couple weeks... but some don't even draw for months... ._.

Outliers.
Most people can't make livable wages on it.

Most of it's frogs.

>I'm curious, how do you explain all the huge corporations that make sure to keep their workers happy and enjoying their job?
Marketing. What else? We've moved into an era where brand loyalty is a thing and the public can treat corporations better than their own families. Just look at the sort of worship that Disney and Apple get.

Because for every shit, low effort comic raking in thousands a month for being thinly veiled blowhorns for shitlib propaganda, there are ten comics by destitute stragglers who are genuinely good artists who can't break past making scraps because they want to tell actual stories with effortful art instead of being the umpteenth jackoff to whine about Donald Trump or whatever.

Yeah, Google certainly is raking in the billions because of marketing directed at their own employees and nebulous "brand loyalty".

I just feel like people on this thread haven't had a job ever.

did they actually bail on the changes entirely though? here's what they were going to do:
-every pledge now costs you an additional 35 cents
-every pledge you pay an additional 3%
-you get billed individually at the date when you first pledged to an artist and not at the end of the month in bulk

It's worse. It's a bunch of niggers doing the crab in the bucket thing. They're miserable so everyone else has to be all day every day.

>popularity has nothing to do with actual talent

Welcome to Earth, it sucks.

If you've got a problem with that, then help them out. Donate, or share their comic on social media. Story-based comics take a while to ramp up interest, whereas quirky "lol I'm so depressed" comics are easily shareable and get fans much faster.

For Alex. He's still going to work on a job. But he always been transparent as to wherrre the money goes. He hired a professional artist. Two of them. One for lines and one for coloring so they need to be paid to get his writing masterialized. And often times he does incentives like hiring people to make pin art exclusively for his patreons as a thank you

>Ashley Cope doesn't rank

What an unjust world.

If you think that’s a lot don’t look at what the fanart illustrators make