What exactly is the “point” of Star Wars? Are we doomed to watch the Rebel struggle against the Empire forever?

What exactly is the “point” of Star Wars? Are we doomed to watch the Rebel struggle against the Empire forever?

Yes.

You know the Oblivion Machine concept from Multiversity?

Star Wars is hooked on the Oblivion Machine and it’s keeping its corpse alive like Vader’s armor.

>Started calling themselves rebels at the end
The OT really didn’t fucking matter at all. Everything about it was undone and rendered meaningless so MaRey Sue could do all the cool shit Luke was supposed to do.

And MaRey Sue herself will be tossed away when Kathleen Kennedy made Ep X

It really took me out TLJ when I realized the Resistance was made up of minorities and women while every white dude shacked up with the First Order.

I'm not even an Alt Right retard(I'm a black guy). It just seems purposely antagonistic towards white dudes.

And why is it considered family-friendly if this galaxy is ALWAYS at war?

If they aren't struggling against the empire, then they're winning the war. When they win the war, it's over. No more wars in the stars

There's still black people in the the first order, mostly as bridge ops since they're the only ones with no helmet.

>What exactly is the “point” of Star Wars?

Make money for Disney.

The Force is an evil entity that manipulates all life in the galaxy to enact its twisted idea of "balance," and it forces events to repeat through history for all eternity.

You know, this would actually be a pretty cool and controversial plot point for the third movie. It would explain why the new trilogy is repeating the OT, Rey, Snoke, and Ren all in one fell swoop.

Go away, Kreia

KOTOR 2 did it too.

Honestly, I think the people mad at The Last Jedi for being “not like Star Wars” are missing the point of the movie.

At its core, the The Last Jedi is a film learning to move on from the past, and accepting that you can’t go back to the way things were. It’s not even particularly subtle about it. It’s not even subtext, the message is literally stated by at least two different characters in the film.

Heck, every plot twist and subversion of Star Wars tropes is done with the intent of sticking to this central message. The mystery of Rey’s parents is solved in the most anticlimactic manner possible. Snoke is killed before the trilogy even ends. Finn’s heroic rescue mission is given major focus, only for it to end in a failure that forces a change in tactics. All of this might seem dissatisfying, but it’s actually there for a reason. These plot points are set up in a way such that they appear similar to plot threads in the original trilogy. A mystery of the main character’s lineage, a powerful wielder of the Dark Side who commands a massive empire, a rescue mission against seemingly impossible odds. And in the end, they’re subverted, and they’re subverted specifically for the purpose of emphasizing that you can’t always cling to the past, that the Galaxy Far Away of today is not the same as it was forty years ago.

And keeping in line with this central theme? The primary villains, the First Order, are intentionally structured in-universe to evoke the Galactic Empire, which had been defeated decades ago. They want to re-create the past as they imagined it to exist, and are willing to commit any number of atrocities to do so. The villains are explicitly built around nostalgia for an idealized Old Days that disregards a history of brutal oppression, and that’s a part of what makes their fascist dogma so frighteningly close to actual fascists today.

Even putting aside the political commentary, on an even deeper level it’s a commentary on Star Wars as a cultural institution in itself. Star Wars as an icon of pop culture is one that is built on nostalgia, on the fond memories of the original trilogy that skyrocketed it to worldwide popularity in the first place. But at the same time, that nostalgia has also been hugely limiting, as anything new that comes out of it has to live within the shadow of its own legacy. The Prequel Trilogy has far and away suffered the most for this, as even if they weren’t bad films on their own merits, they couldn’t have been the films people wanted them to be. Both LucasFilm and fans of Star Wars built Episode I up as something that could fully recapture the magic of seeing Star Wars in theaters for the first time. But no matter how good Episode I was or could have been, it couldn’t have recreated that experience, because there is nothing in the world that could.

Rian Johnson recognized the problem, and chose to address it in a unique way: by writing a film that’s fundamentally about learning to accept that things aren’t going to be the same as they were, while simultaneously creating something new in the same spirit. Just as Yoda burned down the last of the ancient Jedi texts so that a new generation can build something better, The Last Jedi itself discards the old series conventions, while simultaneously building a movie that retains the central Star Wars spirit of finding hope against seemingly impossible odds.

The Last Jedi tells us that nostalgia is overrated. That’s why it’s such a brilliant film.

Kreia was never wrong.

tl;dr

user is just shilling.

>The Last Jedi tells us that nostalgia is overrated. That’s why it’s such a brilliant film.
>Resistance is blatantly calling themselves Rebels again
>It’s an evil dark side vs good light side story again
>Falcon fucking everywhere
>Porgs that are blatantly there for advertising
Hey dumbfuck it’s fine to say nostalgia is bad but Rian totally fucked the story. “Nostalgia is bad” but then he fucking copies it all anyway. The casino plot line e is totally pointless and could be cut. Rey is suddenly a master at lightsaber combat in fucking 16 hours. Everything the OT did is undone.
Christ you’re such a pathetic pseudo intellectual. Abrams was garbage because all he did was rehash. Rian is garbage because all he does is tear shit down for the sake of tearing shit down. What the fuck is even going to be the plot for IX? Rey vs Kylo? She’s kicked his ass every time they met. There’s zero fucking tension.

Marvel Comics did the same with their iconic characters: replacing them by minorities and such; since then their sales have gone down the shitter, and in such a niche market that's suicidal.

>The resistance, which are now an actual resistance, calls themselves the resistance. This is bad.

>A point is made that the war between the rebels and the empire is fueled by arms dealers who help both sides.

>Falcon near the beginning and the end.

>Porgs that were nowhere in the original trilogy and thus irrelevant to the point of nostalgiabaiting

>Rey and Kylo never fight, and when they're shown fighting over control of a lightsaber, they're so equal in power that they tear it in half.

Dumb Sup Forumsposter

But Mandalorians fought in the clone wars

>Rey is a lightsaber master in 16 hours
This doesn't really undo the OT as much as it undoes the Prequels. In the OT Luke becomes a master somewhere between V and VI. There's a time gap, but how substantial is it really? The prequels were the movies that chiseled into stone this idea that sword twirling took decades to perfect.

Quit your whining there were plenty of women and darkies with the first order shots

>Hey dumbfuck it’s fine to say nostalgia is bad but Rian totally fucked the story. “Nostalgia is bad” but then he fucking copies it all anyway.

Also you, one paragraph later:

>Rian is garbage because all he does is tear shit down for the sake of tearing shit down.

Oh no, Star Wars is owned by a massive corporation? That’s totally different from all other major blockbuster films! However will I possibly cope with this utterly shocking, completely unexpected revelation?

>Are we doomed to watch the Rebel struggle against the Empire forever?
I hope not, there were much cooler stories in the EU that it seems disney is ingnoring just so they can play it safe and make it more like the OT except everything that made it cool

honestly I think it's time for Star Wars to die. There's 40+ years of material, do we really need any more?

>any kind of tradition or respect for the past is bad
t. New Soviet Man

>MFW I wanted the trilogy to be a space opera about Rey, Finn, and their band of friends flying around the galaxy searching for "awakened" Force users before the First Order finds them
>MFW we got another generic Star Wars plot

How the fuck is Guardians of the Galaxy the most creative space opera franchise out now?

>it's SUPPOSED to be pointless and unsatisfying!
>that's why it's so great!

>LE EBIN DANCE OFF X-DDDD
>creative

A single Mandalorian, cloned hundreds of thousands of times, fought in the Clone Wars.

Do you remember a time when your vocabulary wasn't totally compromised by excessive Sup Forums brainwashing?

This.

Thanks, Voltaire -- I couldn't have said it better myself.

Do you remember a time when you weren't totally brainwashed by Disney?

>The prequels were the movies that chiseled into stone this idea that sword twirling took decades to perfect.
Only if you wanted to be a complete master at it. Luke does learn how to fight with a lightsaber, but only enough to be able to fight. He was better at using the force than fencing.

Don't mention it, user.

There where minorities and women on several bridges of the FO ships its kinda hard to show more minorities on the FO too when they have stormtrooper armor on too

One of the main characters is a black dude who was in the first order. You don't seem to know what you're talking about.

she was shown to be pretty experienced with that stick thing for quite awhile on Jakku which you could say is kinda cheap but its not like she actually drew that skill out of her ass

You know, my favorite story about Voltaire is the one where a mob of Englishmen were about to lynch him for the crime of being French.

Voltaire responded by saying, "Have I not been punished enough by not being born an Englishman?"

The mob must have agreed, because they didn't kill him.

In hindsight, the implication that I COULD have said something better than Voltaire was remarkably presumptuous of me.

Whatever you say , Tobey.

Was admiral Tumblrhair Leia's gay lover? is that why Han left?

>not on-board for the new race codes, eh?
>how ungrateful!
>there must be something wrong with you!

>BUT DISNEY THO

Every time

Maybe you should reconsider tour life.

Literally everything bad that happens in the movie is Purple Hair's fault for needlessly keeping secrets.

Also they could have pulled off that relativistic kill from the beginning and saved dozens of lives and at least two ships.

Name another movie where the god-like villain is distracted by dancing.

>LELSORANDUMB is creative

Finn is Resistance

Toby was pro-Black though

So not only can you not read the post you quoted, but you clearly haven't even seen the movie.

It wasn’t random. It was repeatedly said throughout the film that MCU aliens don’t understand dancing.

Answer my question instead of memeing.

>A black dude who WAS in the First Order

Oh please tell me how I’m wrong, fuckface?

He was in the First Order, that's a fact. Saying he's resistance has no meaning, because my entire point was the FO has black people.

You don't have to get angry about missing the point.

Are you forgetting that Finn didn’t even willingly join the FO? You’re trying too hard to be right. Also I’m specifically talking about TLJ where they hammered in that race stuff.

>it was DEEP

>I'm not even an Alt Right retard(I'm a black guy)

Sounds legit bro

Not an argument. I win.

I know he left. But do you really think he's the only black on in all their thousands if not millions of soldiers? Most of them don't leave.

As for TLJ... what race stuff?

>What exactly is the "point" of serial fiction? Are we doomed to watch *character/s* struggle against *antagonist/situation* forever?

Just like Pokemon, the journey matters so much more than the destination that the destination never arrives

It's about Wars in the Stars. Couldn't be more simple.

>Are we doomed to watch the Rebel struggle against the Empire forever?
That's what the general public vaguely recall about it and liked, so that's what they'll do.
Now, I'm not indirectly defending the prequels, mind, just pointing out in fact had Lucas wrote them better there'd probably be more room for what can be done with the series. Some of the EU's derivative and often pointless incidents and characters probably didn't set a great example either.

It seems a domino effect of failures influencing others down the road to quit before they start and emulate success.

Take your image, OP, it shows marketing at its most basic. All the popular characters and concepts (or those to be pushed) are there to catch the eye of anyone passing, reassuring them with familiarity. Just how it works in the business of creative arts with serious money on the line.

That sounds sort of Sisyphean in the framing.

>Virgin Overlord being outwitted by Chad Astronaut
>Not a good end

But there was that cute brown boy on the first order bridge.

You could
>get the fuck out and ask Sup Forums
>or go to /swco/
Either way, there's no need for this thread to exist.

Yeah I wonder if we’ll ever get a Star Wars movie we’re the stakes don’t involve and intergalactic conflict would it be so hard to have it on a smaller more grounded scale

>hey dumbfuck

Hi.
You sound so smrt to

To have wars in the stars.

The Star Wars: Legacy comics at least had the Republic/Rebels and Jedi and semi-friendly new Empire and Imperial Jedi versus the new Sith Empire. This has nothing new.

More importantly nothing in the OT matters now, since none of the heroes' efforts had any lasting effect (unlike Legacy which happened long after they died).

Since nothing in the original trilogy matters, the prequels doesn't matter, Rogue One and other side story films don't matter, and these sequels don't matter. Nothing matters now. Thank you rats.

But let's go on circlejerking and mocking the prequels.

>More importantly nothing in the OT matters now, since none of the heroes' efforts had any lasting effect (unlike Legacy which happened long after they died).
Except, you know, the fact that Space Hitler hasn't been running the galaxy for the last 3 decades.

It's still the same shit with Emperor Serkis and in the end by this point they are winning