So how long until Russia invades Finland?

So how long until Russia invades Finland?

>Finland is becoming increasingly worried about what it sees as Russian propaganda against it, including Russian questioning about the legality of its 1917 independence.

>Earlier this month, Finland and Estonia both accused Russian fighter jets of violating their airspace. Russia has also started moving nuclear-capable missiles into its Kaliningrad enclave bordering Poland and Lithuania.

>Sitting in his office in the government palace - built for Russia's Grand Duchy of Finland - Markku Mantila leads a network of officials who monitor attempts to influence the country. He says Finland is facing intensifying media attacks led by Kremlin.

>Mantila, who is also the head of government communications, says Russian media last month reported on "cold-blooded" Finnish authorities taking custody of children from a Russian family living in Finland "due to their nationality".

>A report by Kremlin-led NTV said "even the locals call Finland a land of ruthless and irrational child terror."


politico.eu/article/finland-walks-a-1300-kilometer-fine-line-with-russia-nato-military-defense-neutrality/
independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/finnish-government-suspects-russia-of-buying-property-to-house-troops-a7392841.html
usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-11-03/natos-northern-flank-vulnerable-to-russia
usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-11-02/russias-ramping-up-for-war-where-nobodys-looking
ibtimes.com/russia-vs-nato-finland-worried-about-kremlin-border-aggressions-propaganda-campaign-2434542
reuters.com/article/us-finland-russia-informationattacks-idUSKCN12J197?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/report_russia_now_a_greater_threat_to_finland/9130673

It's worth noting that Finland is NOT a member of NATO.

so much ERA. That's when you know a military is hitting hard times.

Haven't they always relied on it though?

Russia invading Finland is about the most absurd and useless idea that's been floated in a while.

Since when? It's been a cornerstone of Russian strategic thought since '98.

What are you talking about? There's nothing of value for Russia there. Finland has been one of the most effective buffer states between NATO and Russia.

what purpose does it serve? it would devastate the russian economy.

They literally have no reason to invade us now that Trump has won.

Can't wait to get along with our neighbours once again.

Is NATO doing anything to make Finland favour it more?

If not then there's nothing to worry about. If NATO fucks with Finland like they did with Ukraine then you'll have problems.

Read Alexander Dugin. His thoughts on geopolitical relations are required reading in the higher military and subscribed to by the Kremlin.

In any case, it still does change the fact that there has been a build up of troops and propaganda against Finland.

doesn't*

I've been meaning to, but my reading list has been largely on hold the past few years.

I'd be a little bit more worried at the moment at our own provocative buildups in various theaters and seeking deescalation where it matters rather than saber rattling over unnecessary things.

I hope they do

But why

lol, Russia doesn't "get along", they dominate you if you don't stand up against them

Nah we're fine

We need something to set us straight. I'm embarrassed to talk about the shit the idiots are doing here.

Go to bed you retard.

>I'm embarrassed to talk about the shit the idiots are doing here.
Enlighten me. Seriously.

Because getting invaded by Russia would change that... I wonder if my faith in humanity can drop any lower at this point.

The elections here were in 2015 just before the migrant bullshit.

Prime minister becomes hated by everyone just a few months into his term.

>''da refugees won't cost us anything''
>estimated to be total of 1 billion per year

3 more years of this faggot

>mfw Fingolia allies with Rusgolia

well, fins have like the highest human capital in the world and they're rich so they could be enslaved so...

The second the PM of Finland pisses off Trump, Putin will get a call

>belgolia
>a real country

at first Ukraine and Poland, ok?

No, you can't have Poland. That's non-negotiable.

snowgooks have had it coming for a long time. FINLAND NATIVE RUSSIA

WHOA YOU MEAN FINLAND DOESN'T BELONG TO A MILITARY COALITION OF NEIGHBORS, ASSEMBLED FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF MUTUAL DEFENSE?

Seriously?

The Soviets let them live with the implicit understanding that they were to be neutral. When the USSR fell, there was no need to join NATO until now.

You are aware Finland got on well with Soviets in Cold War?
There is literally no reason for Russia to invade Finland.
Only scenario where that could happen would be if Russia was in war with NATO and Finland suddenly attacked them.
Otherwise, as long as they remain neutral, they can count on enjoying beneficial relationship in exchange for neutrality.

No Catholic countries. Stay in your own sphere.

let's fraternally, we take all Moldova and Syria divide equally?

>Finland is facing intensifying media attacks led by Kremlin.
lolwut? where?

>There is literally no reason for Russia to invade Finland.
Again, the playbook from Dugin:

>Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term a "Moscow-Berlin axis".
>France should be encouraged to form a "Franco-German bloc" with Germany. Both countries have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".
>United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.
>Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".
>Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.
>Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian-Russian sphere.
>Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.
>Romania, Macedonia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece – "orthodox collectivist East" – will unite with the "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".
>Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "“Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.

I don't know Moldova is really doable unless you were to get Odessa Oblast first. The problem with that is that then The Ukraine would lose all port access. So I think that is asking too much.

I'm against splitting Syria short of redrawing the entire ME, but I think Syria being an independent proper country in Russia's sphere of influence could be workable as part of a larger plan to restore order to the ME.

cont.

In the Middle East and Central Asia:
The book stresses the "continental Russian-Islamic alliance" which lies "at the foundation of anti-Atlanticist strategy". The alliance is based on the "traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization".
Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis".
Armenia has a special role and will serve as a "strategic base" and it is necessary to create "the [subsidiary] axis Moscow-Erevan-Teheran". Armenians "are an Aryan people … [like] the Iranians and the Kurds".
Azerbaijan could be "split up" or given to Iran.
Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.
Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.
The book regards the Caucasus as a Russian territory, including "the eastern and northern shores of the Caspian (the territories of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan)" and Central Asia (mentioning Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kirghistan and Tajikistan).
In Asia:
China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled". Dugin suggests that Russia start by taking Tibet-Xinjiang-Mongolia-Manchuria as a security belt. Russia should offer China help "in a southern direction – Indochina (except Vietnam), the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia" as geopolitical compensatation.
Russia should manipulate Japanese politics by offering the Kuril Islands to Japan and provoking anti-Americanism.
Mongolia should be absorbed into Eurasia-Russia.

HAHA BRING IT RUSSHITS

>The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."
In the United States:
>Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."

Foundations of Geopolitics, 1997 - Alexander Dugin


They seem to be following it to a tee.

Russian pressure on Finland always increases when there's discussion of joining NATO and having joint exercises on Finnish soil or waters.

In modern warfare finland has no strategic value to occupy, no natural resources etc.

Russia wants Finland to remain neutral, Russia is willing to trade with Finland and have peaceful relations.

Finland should stay neutral, because only reason russia would be aggressive towards us if we joined nato or some type of joint EU army.

I want to live in a neutral independent ethnostate.

Attacking Finland would cause much more problems than solutions for Russia. I wouldn't be afraid.

Chill man last time Finland was in war with Russia it was because Finland was a fucking mess, now both are chilling smooth. Also Russia does not to seem wanna have war with NATO so I guess that only stupid defense minister talk.

Your breakin my balls, Randy

I have no idea

Poland is in NATO, inbred Mongol.

>Ukraine

You mean eastern Poland and western Russia?

Well you know there has to be some kind of a deal here. I regard taking Crimea as fair play given that the US was dumb enough to force it to happen. But we can't just be giving things away to Russia; there has to be some kind of a trade.

>no one posted the ww2 battle

NEED
MORE
SWAMPS

The fuck for we need Moldova are you bloody stupid?

Kill yourself

Saunas are top tier yo

>You mean eastern Poland and western Russia?
I like that idea

I'm confident our military can repel attacks by russia to some extent, but if all goes to shit we can still trust the guerrilla warfare skills we have been taught in the army. Plus, most people know how to survive in the wilds (except millenials and everyone in Helsinki).

>Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status"
Elaborate?
>regards the Caucasus as a Russian territory
It would save them money to pull out of there.

let them try.
we're with ya finnbros. just like in the 40's.

Russian sauna > Finnish sauna

Although I always forget what the technical difference is

I didn't write the book.

>Russia and Finland have another bloody industrial war killing hundreds of thousands just for the bantz
W E W
E
W

Ours are warmer

It's better to keep hohols as a border with the Mongols, they'd just be a nuisance.

Wilno on the other hand...

>what it sees as Russian propaganda against it
Literally have never heard the word "Finland" on our TV without "sauna" somewhere in the same sentence.

Pahimmat maanpetturit istuu eduskuntatalossa

Please

that's below reddit

go back to your YouTube comments

Maanpettureita on moneen junaan

Glory will be eternal even if we die in the 100s of thousands, we will be heroes for eternity!

>Wilno
No. I don't have time for this shit.

>Dugin
Dude. Dugin is a meme philosopher.
And besides this "Russians will invade everyone" trope is boring.
Same was said for Soviets and then with the fall of USSR it became clear their thinking was defensive.
Same is true for Russia today, that doesn't have an ideology like communis. to export, and which doesn't have the base to sustain imperialistic conquests beyond shit like Crimea which relied on local popular support.
It wouldn't save them money. Muslim monkeys there would get radicalized and create problems. Russians are sensitive about their souther region, it's the weak belly of Russia. That's why Crimea happened. They couldn't afford to lose control of Black Sea.

turpa kiinni vitun vassari

So you're saying countries promote dissident movements abroad if they don't like foreign governments? What a crazy concept

>Wilno
>triggered

Oletko vitun vammainen? Just vassarit ja muut aisurit eduskunnassa mamuttaa tätä maata paskaksi

Finns would bring Russian economy down in a short time. Behind the lines, every power-, gas-, and oil-line would be blown away, oilships would sink, railroads and bridges cut.
On the same time there would be other enemies to try their chance to harass russians along the borders. (and inside) It would be real war, not a bombing campaign in a desert, where few people are in a town with ak`s.

I will call it Wilno because it's rightfully Polish land.

Call it what you want but no more "mutinies" please.

No, no one invades Finland. You dont fuck around with Finland. Not even we could beat Finland.

this
we want to be friends with neutral Finland
thats all

>Dude. Dugin is a meme philosopher.
Memes are in right now.

Look, if it was somebody like Chomsky, I wouldn't have said anything. But Dugin has Moscow's ear and it's hard to deny they aren't following at least some of his steps.

City was 33% Jewish, 33% Polish and 33% Lithuanian when seized by Poles.

The Soviets did.

nobody talked about that fin sniper yet
disappoint

It really isn't, it was build by pagan Lithuania, for Lithuanians, even when many Lithuanians started to speak Polish.

You fuckin cucks. Russia dosen't want Finland, it's Sweden they want. If you roll over like a cheap prositute and let them fuck you in the ass, then Sweden will be next. Stand and fight, you are our only protection against Russia.

W/e if Finland falls, only thing they ever invented was the Nokia (lul) but sweden CAN'T fall into enemies arms.

Certainly not during the winter.

Your only source on that is speculation. Dugin's dad is ex-military, thus he got some positions. Some of his thought echoes in Russian nationalistic leadership circles.
But to think his books are some blueprint is naive, especially if you observe Russian behaviour.

The same way Viet Cong beat US in 'nam? Kek.

>Armenians "are an Aryan people … [like] the Iranians and the Kurds
>k*rds
>aryan

hahahaha

Trump opened the National Reserve of Lulz.

Wrong
This Melted Candy-bar faced motherfucker is like thier King Arthur Legend; any country that invades will re summon him and he'll get multi hundred thousand kill counts with his M-28

Good American Ally

Wilno-Grodno line is ethnic polish land divided lithuanian-belarussian border
That was made by soviets to get week polish nation in this area

wake up , Sven
Mohammed is only one who wants to invade your country because of benefits

Sweden can't fall into enemies' arms, but it can open it's arms for enemies to fall into.

Just stop.

Don't think Putin is that stupid.

>Finland is becoming increasingly worried

oh come on Dugin is literally schizophrenic

>what it sees as Russian propaganda against it, including Russian questioning about the legality of its 1917 independence.

The first time I hear about it

The only thing I know that some russians buy property in Finland "that doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint therefore they are spies and are readying for war"

Well, russia is insane, so there is no doubt that it will do just that.

Besides, promotion of dissident movements in foreign countries was precisely what Soviets did. And russia counts itself as an inheritor of Soviet Union.

There's a really fucking damn good reason no one fucks with Finland

>Be Latvian
>Come from a city in Eastern Latvia, high Russian population
>University in Australia
>Trump wins election
>Father calls ' its time to come home, if there will be a war we are to all fight together'

Leaving Australia on Wednesday

heh