JSA Storytime: Man-Thing

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do not burn happy fun man-thing

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Good evening storyteller. I‘ll never be able to read this without thinking of nazi puppy play again.

I'm thinking the Blob was a slightly more startling Slime Creature than Man-Thing, in every incarnation.

my work here is at least partially done

Hello, Storyteller.

>that Double Date preview
Okay, it's official. Artists have a serious hard on for Lois Lane. I mean really though, the thirst is powerful.

Also,
>Red Hood and the Outlaws
So who else was cheering on our girl Artemis Grace to end that obnoxious clown bitch once and for all?

So the top 10 for last month was basically Batman, events, #1s, and Star Wars, or some combination of all those and it just reminded me how shit comics do overall so nothing will change

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what was good this week? it's been a rough week for me.

also dang it continuity is tripping me up here

Marvel losing unit market share is O___o, how badly IS Legacy tanking?

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Mister Miracle was good. Had some sexy Scott. Next month will be the half way point.

The books that have had issues after their lenticular one are mostly at the level they were before the special covers. Only a few had a slight boost from their pre-legacy stuff. I wonder if that might be partly from wary retailers.

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Marvel Legacy has really shit the bed ecen worse than NOW 2.0. One issue sales boost and then back to sub 15k for half the line. Falcon is already in the 17k range by #3, unsurprisingly.

Marvel’s gimmicks have killed any sort of stability. I am curious how badly No Surrender will backfire on them.

retailers are mad and have not gotten any apology tour, have they

I wish marvel could've just done a separate weekly for No Surrender so the Avengers books could have some normalcy.

Teen Jean got burned alive.

Youngblood was good this week. First trade is out.

>what was good this week?
RHatO was alright. Lobdell managed to further endear himself to the readers by killing Harvest off screen and acknowledging that Superboy exists. Oh, and the aforementioned instance of Artemis being tempted to kill Harley for being Harley.

Wonder Woman was.. I dunno, I kind of enjoyed this issue? Heroes being 110% done with all the bullshit is a favorite trope of mine, so Diana calling Jason put for being the punk bitch he is was most satisfying.

like, for good?

oh shit it's the Moral Majority

even marvel knows they can't double dip like that.

The anger about the lenticular covers was not just for show. Anecdotal but a local bookstore in my town that also sells floppies has stopped carrying Marvel books.

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And let’s be real, neither Waid nor Ewing nor Zub have the kind of draw to sell a weekly. Or the skill.

Comic books will never have normalcy so long as decompression remains as bad as it is.

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decompression is one thing the webcomics people will not save us from, either

it's fucking cold and rainy here and I'm achy and cranky

Reminds me of the pink furry holding up manga as something comics should emulate, conveniently ignoring how fucked the pacing of most successful series is. And the glorified sweatshop working conditions.

Does anybody? Frankly, writers and artists just aren't the same, they've lost any sense of efficiency, and their talents have significantly waned. No team imaginable currently in the scene is capable of doing a weekly. 52 needed four writers and tons of different artists to happen, and it was a straight up fluke it was even remotely readable at all, nevermind being actually good. Until the old guard either get their act together, or are replaced by fresh blood, you can just forget about weeklies.

IMO a weekly is a fool's errand in capeshit at all

The only way to do a decent weekly would be to have someone write the whole damn thing, edit the fuck out of it, and then hand it off to a team of artists

so, like, a year lead time

no one has the lead time for a weekly

i don't know if there's any editors who can pull it off

but waid/ewing/zub are writers who can get something out that hits the minimum.

I wouldn't say that it was "good," but I binged "Gotham City Garage," and it is a bonkers elseworld. There's a lot of really weird shit in it, some good, some bad.

wait what?

I had zero interest in that until this week I saw Colleen Doran did some Wondie art in it, and with your rec I might go ahead and give it a shot.

The Runaways is I think not your jam but it's pretty much exactly like I would expect The Runaways to be. Which is nice. One of these author transfers that really seems to work.

A weekly can have one writer, they just can't write another book with four scripts a month

If nothing else it will be fun to pick apart which parts were written by whom. The first couple of pages with Living Lightning and continuity porn were clearly Ewing, the pages were the dialogue went to clunky shit were Zub.

Is it better than Bombshells? Because that didn't work for me

52 is literally the only good weekly and even that has meandering and ultimately pointless stuff

Weeklies just need to not

Rowell has done a great job on the character voices.

Dunno if you saw Dave and dunno if you read it generally but the Christmas 2000AD prog had a Deadworld story about Ava Eastwood, the Judge whose brain Byke is patterned on.

To be fair, webcomics are a very different beast from traditional print books. Your standard webcomic is formated on a three pages a week schedule, whereas print comics have 22 pages once a month. So yeah, as tempting as it may be to recruit webcomic producers into the industry, it's not a feasible option given the radical adjustment curve that would need to happen. Especially since webcomic producers are both the writer and artist, which is uncommon in traditional comics, and another point of adjustment.

I don't really get why they can't just give Ewing - *just* Ewing - a big book.

I love Fall of Deadworld. Got the recent hardcover.
And yeah I read it. Fantastic little story.

Byke was no preparation for the real deal haha.

this is the best martial arts ad yet

I think there are definitely some transferrable skills, but IMO the fundamental appeal of the webcomic format is the relative lack of space constraint, much like how Online means you can do longform that's hard to print.

Doesn’t that depend on what he pitches? He strikes me as someone who pitches a lot of stories with lesser known characters.

Ewing is falling into the Jeff Parker role--never less than competent, loves niche, fixes things and gets no credit for it

Wolfman and artist Tom Derenick have been slotted into January 24's Teen Titans #16, replacing the original team (and story) by Benjamin Percy and Otto Schmidt.

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Why won't he fuck off

And when will Schmidt be on a book with good writing

He has hinted that he’ll continue working on the Inhumans next year. They need the love but at the same time I wish he’d do something I actually want to read.

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I think Wondie only appeared in the last few issues, and Ming Doyle is doing the segment that's going on right now.
But yeah, there's some strange stuff in it like:
Jason Todd running the Red Hood MC, a weapons smuggling gang in the wasteland
Clayface has mutated into an entire sentient canyon
Bruce is Actually a villain in it, and willing sided with Lex when Lex conquered the world
Lex Luthor has a lot of mind control tech, and Harley Quinn worked to build it before defecting
The Garage team includes Zatanna and Silver Banshee, and they seem to be a couple (???)
Dick Grayson is in it, and has a bunch of tattoos.Those in this thread might be happy if he gets a statue.
Guy Gardner is constantly asleep at the bar
Selina is part of the Garage team, but also secretly known as Mercy to Lex,
so she is an inside source for the Garage
Sorry, I didn't read bombshells

>never less than competent
ehhhhh

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Yeah. I like how she could pop back up or not and either way the story is just fine. The Starlord strip was also hilarious.

I wish that shit Supergirl artist weren't on it

Gotham City Garage is okay
It doesnt have those gratuitous Bennettisms like songs and the same speeches being repeated by different characters each arc

Thread, we have read a lot of Steve Gerber comics at this point. What are some of the recurring elements you expect in a Steve Gerber story now?

Elves

YMMV, but I haven't read anything of his that failed at plotting as badly as, say, Zubbolts

Someone covered in dirt or rolling in trash. Pitch black comedy. Lots of /d/ moments.

One of those skills is probably efficiency. One thing you'll notice about any successful webcomic is a consistent schedule. One has to get good or fuck off in order to keep their readership, since these stories are among the most easily consumed media out there. This efficiency could theoretically be applied to a monthly book, but we haven't enough examples yet to say for sure.

Also, that lack of constraint extends to more than just physical space too. Webcomic producers are writer, artist, AND editor. It's one of the few mediums absolutely free of outside influence, and thus you get a completely unfettered stream of the author. Obviously, this can be both a good and bad thing, but either way, it WILL be an obstacle for medium transfer, especially with the notoriously shit practices of modern comics editors.

There are parts of it that US comics could learn from. Not every manga is a shounen jump weekly.

To be fair, Zubbolts also had a shit editor. Zub‘s plotting has improved on UA which has Brevoort as the editor.

Hahah.
And yeah, she doesn't need to come back at all. If she did, it'd be awesome. But as it is, it fleshes out the world.

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yeah waid and ewing can manage that, like waid can do that basic plotting in his sleep imo.

the problem is i can't think of what zub brings to the table.....

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He had a few questionable pre-Marvel things (pic related) but I guess there he has been consistent.

Because he's sales poison.

Yeah, he kind of took what Ennis set up with Jennifer Blood and then 100% reversed everything. I understand that she was tired after the events of the Ennis issues and that fatigue causes people to make mistakes, but she started fucking every single thing up when Ewing took over.

Let‘s add vikings to the list of things that pop up in Gerber books alot.

>the problem is i can't think of what zub brings to the table.....
Why Bucky and Kobik, of course! :D

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I feel disappointed we do not literally have this guy IRL, because we totally have people who say the same shit but none of them are gigantic actual vikings with just a cape, loincloth and horned helmet.

Come on, you know? Live your poem.

Fantasy segues in general.

Toxic masculinity vikings and the Moral Majority, this is deeply topical

oh man i wanna edit that one zenpencils comic about larping to end with gerber and not Bukowski or whoever now

Weeklies aren't good in Nipland either. Majority of the SJ manga eventually go down the shitter.

Isn’t that what Lord Buckethead is in essence?

Gerber was a time traveler.

A consistent and major problem seems to be "We finished up the plot but we gotta go on for 200 issues"

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I wish L.B. all the success of Screaming Lord Sutch.

A lot of shojo series have the exact same problem.

let's round this off

At the risk of starting shit (as if I care, I'm the Cranky user, I'll do as I fuckin please), I just find it hilariously pathetic that there are people who aggressively deny that toxic masculinity is a thing. Like, fucking of course there are guys who assert their masculinity in harmful ways. What are you, fucking stupid?

Toxic masculinity is not about masculinity being an inherently bad thing. Ain't nothing inherently wrong with wanting to be manly, it's when you're an asshole about it is when there's a problem. Come on now.

Hell, I'm sure toxic femininity is just as big a problem, but the butthurt fedora tippers are way louder about their bullshit, so that's why they got the label.

It’s eerie how far ahead of his time Gerber was. Not just here but in Foolkiller, too.

Love the expressions on this cover.

Foolkiller really hit the spot

the most prominent aspect of toxic femininity is backstabbing/whisper culture, which IME results from not being allowed to be openly confrontational/having to be "nice"

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I really like this juxtaposition, it's kind of meta.

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they both want to restore the strict gender binary

>who needs the EPA?

I think what the timeliness of these 70's funnybooks tells me and I know we've said before but I'm drunkposting and trying to sound smart ok is that the human race hasn't changed an iota, just the world around us has, and it's simultaneously relieving as it's terrifying

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I more meant the comic book character "dying" as books are burnt, but maybe juxtaposition isn't the right word for that.

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So waifufags existed back in the day too?

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Motherfucker.

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My mom is a teacher, so I grew up hearing stories about insidious bullshit like that. It ranges from malicious vindictiveness to straight up crab bucket shit.

Crap like that is why I actively fail to give too much of a shit about gender politics, because being so caught up in the gender binary has caused entirely too much harmful nonsense to occur in human history. It's all just so stupid, and none of us live that long, so fuck it.