So, what happens to healthcare now?

So, what happens to healthcare now?

I'm a tad concerned, because although I thought the ACA was an absolute mess, it still was beneficial for us since many insurance companies kept dropping my mother due to being "high risk" which worsened her conditions. And frankly it wasn't something I really considered while voting for Trump, and it has me a little worried, especially since our income hasn't been great this past year.

Did I get so caught up in nationalism and pride that I just really fucked everything up? Granted I was Colorado so it's not like it matters, but still.

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You'll have to revert to asking medfags on Sup Forums again.

Which will the answer be? Cancer or AIDS?

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Obamacare will be repealed and replaced with something fantastic. The best healthcare system the world has ever seen.

Stop worrying.

t-t-t-thanks I'm convinced

You're welcome (:

Unless you move to a single payer system you are fucked.

The second Obamacare is repealed your mom's insurance is going to get dropped.

Why the fuck would a for-profit company take on a huge known expense?

Your mom is fucked, buddy. She was an inconvenience to others. It's time to let her go.

It's going to take time but repealing Obamacare seems like the long-term solution. There will be turbulence but after a while it will stabilize and ultimately be a much better system. People are against it because there won't be immediate results, however immediate results are usually the most short-term. We all see how short-term Obamacare really is and it needs to fucking go.
Replacing it with a similar plan would just be prolonging the problem for another 4-8 years.

>There will be turbulence

Ie; his mom dying. But it's for the greater good.

yeah thats called life
A FUCKING LEAF

Why are we pretending that health care is some kind of universal right?

Just because someone's sick doesn't mean they deserve to get treatment.
I work hard and if I get sick, the fruits of my hard work will be that I can go to a good doctor.

It wouldn't be very fair if I worked hard, got sick and then was informed that poor person got the last of the drugs that I needed.

People should get out there, get a job, get a Cadillac plan.

That's called American*** life.

>running out of drugs
Those Mexicans depleting our Ritalin mines

People with preexisting conditions are fucked. I'm fucked. The price of Humira was obscene even with insurance, without insurance it's $4500 a month, that's basically my entire income.

I don't know what I'm going to do, except be disabled and in a lot of pain.

>I mean yeah he's going to prevent WW3 and uphold conservative moral values, but I might lose my gibsmedats, did I make the wrong choice?

Traitors are not welcome. Fuck off.

Thank you for Correcting the Record

Does it not fall under the right to live however?

I don't believe healthcare is some "godgiven right" but then again, I also don't believe a system should be able to just "turn people away" or charge them out the ass and tell them "lol no that's not covered" to every single thing other than a fucking common checkup. I witnessed it all the time. People have pre-existing conditions. And that's why the ACA came to light. But the bill got raped because one side thought it wouldn't work and the other did.

This, It`s time to let go.

Nobody has taken your right to live if you get sick. You ARE taking someone's right to property if you mandate healthcare, though, you ignorant fuck.

>tax cuts for the rich and corporations
>idea that the land doesn't really need our help to sustain, rape and pillage it as you see fit
>probability of the president saying vaccines cause autsim on national tv leading to resurgence of disastrous illnesses not seen in decades
>health care costs will continue to pile up as will price of pills as companies abuse patents and monopolies, only the elite can afford health care now
>more and more americans will be chained to medical debt
>with no access to abortion, blacks and mexicans will have a shit ton of children while white birth rate dwindles

cannot wait

Because this is how the system currently works if you get sick:

>you have a good job at a big corporation
>company buys your insurance you never have to worry about anything

>you are dead broke but dying
>you go to ER, they can't refuse you, they just patch you up the minimum so you don't die on the table and kick you out
>you never get cured so you're constantly going to the ER and getting barely stable before they kick your broke ass out again
>can't pay for it so hospital has to eat the cost

>you have an ok job but have to buy min coverage cuz it's so expensive
>it's expensive because you have to offset for the broke sick ppl racking up unpaid bills
>you get seriously sick, go bankrupt because your deductibles are so high
>you turn into the poor fucker above just leeching off the system

it's super fucked up, and it's completely broken.

>Granted I was Colorado

Did you vote for the Colorado version of the British NHS? It was on the ballot yesterday.

Anyway, I'm rooting for full on socialized healthcare, but even if we can do something to make it cheaper then I'd be happy. I'm paying about 13% of my pretax income for premiums and deductibles in 2017 (maxing out that there Health Savings Account).

So the solution is to steal people's money at gunpoint. After all, it's the moral thing to do.

Hey I have an honest question for everybody.
As someone who doesn't have insurance and couldn't really afford it anyway (and unable to get medicaid if it had to come to that because my state refused the expansion but I really would prefer not to have)I have a bit of a concern here.
According to donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
>Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.

There is just one problem. What if the states still refuse THIS medicaid expansion? I mean is there a punishment or something for not taking it? Can someone help clear this up for me.

Kek.

Full on socialized healthcare usually doesn't work as well as you think it will. We pay a huge amount of taxes for our healthcare system. If you think 13% for healthcare is a lot, try 20-25% for an average person, 35% for the wealthy.

True socialized healthcare is not cheaper. If he tries to make it cheaper, it will just run up your deficit.

Coloradocare was killed by a landslide yesterday

At least TPP is most likely not going to happen, so I hope medicament costs won't skyrocket because licenses.

You know it, I know it, everybody knows it....

>property > life
The cost of removing a worker is way more than the medical costs to keep them alive.

If anything, we should regulate the cost of procedures and prescriptions, but MUH CAPITALISM.

You will be insured

bigly

Once I max out my payments (about 6k) my healthcare is free for the rest of the year.

If a sick person dies, no rights have been violated.

If people steal someone's money to pay for healthcare, rights have been violated.

Quit being a cuck.

Yeah I suppose that might be comparable. Depends on your income.

If you make greater than $100k a year here, you'd probably pay $10000-$12000 a year. That's just for healthcare too, that's not including all the other taxes.

>True socialized healthcare is not cheaper

What did he mean by this

healthcare is potentially infinite. at the end of the day there is a cut off to what is possible, and that can be determined by a marketplace or the government.

It is planned to allow purchase of healthcare plans across states and regions. This should increase your options thereby creating cheaper plans.

I meant cheaper than 13% of your taxable income, you dumb Swede.

No faggot it's called everyone pitches in a little in the beginning so you can prevent tge problem from getting worse.

If the broke ass guy got some free health care to prevent or cure his problem he wouldn't be racking up ER bills. That keeps the cost for the corporate and private insurance down.

Same thing with mental healthcare. You have fucking Reagan who defunds mental institutions to save a few bucks. Those mentally ill end up getting arrested (they're fucking crazy) and housing them in jail costs more than at the hospital.

Calm down with that edge user. I'm just pointing out that I think the insurance system is flawed to the max.

And sometimes a pre-existing condition can be treated to the point where it allows those workers to funnel more taxes into the system. It was a fucking mess. (And PS, I was misdiagnosed and unable to be insured beforehand. And guess what? Turns out that the doctor was a Mexican retard and we were fucking dropped, I had a second diagnosis that turned out to be correct and was a cheap fix. But hey good thing everybody thought I was a liability and basically allowed me to waste years of my life (^:

I didn't vote for it, but I never read it. My thought processes was more based around "Coloradocare + Obamacare seems like it is pushing the epxnsive bounds way too much." Living here in Boulder, it's fucking expensive as hell. It didn't seem like a tax increase would be healthy for my area.

if you had insurance that would be covered

that's the point of catastrophic coverage. we don't have social plans for every good, why for health care?

I max out on out of pocket expenses every year on 1 medication alone.

I don't know what I'm going to do when I have to pay for the full medication myself because I can't get coverage anymore.

Medicad is based on income and primarily aimed at the poorest.

A site I used to found that a med that CVS wanted 20 dollars for was only 4 at walmart is goodrx.com maybe it can help you? Sometimes it has coupons or something just throwing it out there.

Reagan was actually fucking crazy, but he was a damn fine American

they won't cover people with preexisting conditions though. We're fucked, no you won't keep your same plan as you have now. All those plans will be dropped and you'll have to buy new ones.. which now everyone that currently has an illness ... insurance won't take them.

I won't be able to work anymore, basically. I'll be disabled.

>everyone pitches in a little
Everyone is FORCED to 'pitch in,' with threat of violence rendered for noncompliance.

A better question is why people are legally forced to provide care for people who they know for a fact can't pay. The problem of 'racking up ER bills' in your scenario would be solved by not forcing hospitals to give goods/services to people.

Freeing the healthcare market will benefit you and your mother. Just because something is not a direct gibmedat does not mean you will not be benefited. Forcing insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions raises the premiums of everyone else.

Welcome to Sup Forums, if you have problems beyond your control fuck you you deserve to die and suffer

Eh, he's going to get rid of a lot of the regulations when it comes to price gouging and medications.

You're fucked without good insurance. Why do you think Pfizer was up 8% and Merck was up 6%?

The medication I'm talking about costs $2200 a dose if you were to just buy it from the pharmacy out of pocket.

Yeah but I mean I really as a said would hate to take this option :( Then there is the total embarrassment of applying and everything even if I can get it.

Oh, sweet. Maybe Obamacare *is* better for those that make over 55k a year.

It's quite shit for those between 30 and 50 k, though.

I guess I'll just answer your question.
Trump is pretty liberal when it comes to healthcare. It will indeed be a gibsemedat. He's gonna repeal most of the ACA but keep stuff he likes like treatment for pre existing conditions.
Then he's gonna roll out essentially a new and improved healtchcare plan with the aim of not leaving people in poverty for getting sick

>I didn't vote for it, but I never read it.

LMAO!

Voting on ballot initiatives that you haven't read!

goodrx.com/humira?drug-name=humira

... yeah....

>everyone pitches in a little
No, because if Joe got some free medical services, what about Bob? Bob needs it more, after all, and more people depend on him. You can't play god with everybody's lives, because there is a finite amount of treatment. If you want more people to be helped, you should be encouraging people to get into the medical industry. And people considering going into the medical industry don't want to get paid peanuts to work with people who can't afford to pay for their own service. The closer our system is to a free market, the better it will run.

>ameriburgers convinced their own people should die
beautiful
meanwhile, the rest of the world gets to be a better place without them.

Yikes that's horrible I feel bad, my med's just an anxiety med I have issues with that and even the med doesn't totally help.
Yeah I just have a doctor that does take me despite not having insurance but even a simple visit is pretty pricey. I usually don't want to do it and in fact have at a couple times at least just not gone to the doctor and waited for stuff to clear up (ear infection for example)

>ITT
>Sup Forums realizes they're fucked

If I'm forced to pay for your shitty military, wars, drug war, prison system, and corporate bailouts, you should have to pay to make sure I have a decent chance of not dying from a wound.

Sorry it was just an idea I didn't know if it was good for everything just something my doctor told me about once. Just wanted to throw it out there for anyone that didn't know about it.

Looks like we have an anti tax libertarian here lmao

Death & taxes. Sooner you accept both facts sooner you might just enjoy a little of this short life.

Do you think that medication would be so expensive if the government didn't willfully give away its rights to negotiate fair prices? They charge that shit because most of it is paid for by insurance, which means the government in the case of people under medicaid.

Well what the hell else was there to read, user? At the time, all I was thinking about was the tax burden. I had read the amendment, but didn't do a lot of research on it. (Sorry, perhaps i wasn't clear on that.)

Although now that I think about it, I question if it was really that bad of an idea. A lot of the reasons for it seem pretty good, but they seem to be "idealistic"

I need somebody to remind me what the OP pic is related to because I am uneducated swine.

how was the health care when america was great?

You shouldn't be forced to pay for anything, user.

>libertarian
Nope. I'm the literal only morally-consistent political ideology, a voluntarist :^) "just accept it" is, as every criticism, a non-argument.

Why is it his drug war, foreign wars, etc? Those are actions of politicians, we just want people to stop taking our stuff. Most people who are opposed to big government similarly have disdain for the things you listed.

If healthcare should be free because people need it, why don't we make college free? It will cut costs down in the long run because everyone will have better jobs!

>that's you

Ameriburgers work on a punishment system and think everything that happens to everyone "deserves it". They then make laws to make punishments even more severe than they need be

>We must protect this precious unborn life
>Baby is born
>You're on your own, hope you enjoy foster care
>You became a thug? Enjoy prison

Mith of plato's cave.

The weak should fear the strong

Thanks m8

In addition to a healthcare plan for poor people who aren't poor enough to get medicaid, obamacare disallowed insurance companies from denying you for a preexisting condition.

This means normal fags who work for a living who might have diabetes or some shit can get denied coverage if the whole thing is thrown out.

well I'm not on medicaid ... yet.. but I imagine once I'm disabled I will be.

That's going to be a weird fucking system.

while I'm covered I'll have medication my condition will go into remission, and I'll be able to work, making me not disabled, but then being unable to get private insurance so I'll lose my medication and be disabled again.

It's cheaper for society as a whole and maintains social stability, the latter being the driving force behind almost all social programs.
Just look at who actually instituted these kinds of welfare programs in Europe, it's never actually been muh socialists, it's always been conservatives trying to keep the population quiet and content.
Leftists always came afterwards and expanded them beyond was was and is logical to secure lower class votes, but the basic idea behind welfare is really just keeping people still.

Just as an example, welfare in Germany actually dates back to Bismark of all people.

>I had read the amendment, but didn't do a lot of research on it.

Average American voter

She dies because she is weak and poor

>Mith
what

myth.

the rhetoric is "repeal AND REPLACE"
their is obviously some plan here and if the now united house, senate, and executive are smart about it they will call in an expert on healthcare reform and have them draft a bill based off of pre-existing success.

Hell if I where trump I would call up a european policy expert on healthcare reform and go through making as strong a bill as possible with the ideas that work + the strong nationalist american sides.

How is Britbongistans healthcare? Maybe Nigel can lend us someone for a bit to make healthcare reform.

>It's cheaper for society as a whole and maintains social stability
Doesn't matter. It's immoral. If we're using a system that requires immorality to work, we need to get a different system, not say "lol oh well."

The root of the problem is that technology has allowed a naturally-unsustainable human population that, as you've shown, requires immorality to sustain itself.

Trice masterace

you know insurance companies only pay about 10 cents on the dollar for things like this right?
Hospitals charge an insane amount but you're not forced to pay what they charge, you can negotiate with them.

Single payer healthcare doesn't work. I hope it gets passed though so you can experience the government rationing healthcare.

Tricare, fucking autocorect

That's all well and good, but health care is a finite commodity. There's only so many doctors, hospital beds, surgical suites, medicines, etc to go around.

At some point, someone has to make a decision who to treat and who to deny.

The calculus for selection is easy: the one who contributes the most to society gets the treatment. Young before old, parents before childless adults (sorry everyone on Sup Forums), wealthy before impoverished.

If your condition disappears with a little medication, then it's not going to be something that gets you kicked out of private insurance. If that medication costs $50,000 a year, then yeah, you're SOL. Raise a stink about how expensive it is if you want, but the insurer can't in good faith take you because it has other people it's responsible for, and money they know they'll need to spend on you will be taken from those other people. This is why you get in a plan and stay in it, so your history with it carries some significance. You're not supposed to shop for plans once you find out you have a debilitating condition.

Do you mean beforehand?

There are three main cycles of healthcare in he past 20 years.

The first system was inherently broken and flawed. By far the worst system due to a lack of competition, severe cucking of the population by shareholders, and a crumbling middle class.

The second system fixed some things, broke others. I believe the largest problem with it was the scope tried too hard to be a "replacement" system. It did some things right - it stopped this hostile attitude towards people with pre-existing conditions, and I think was a step in the right direction. I think the mistake was "aiming to do too much" and also republicans ripping it apart rather than making GOOD provisions in it. So you end up with this mess of a bill that benefits some while largely hindering others.

There is a lot of uncertainty with it moving forward.

S-sorry user. I did my research on every other issue really thoroughly, but I made a mistake of assuming it was evil based on the amendment alone.

I do have hope moving forward. I was doing a lot of research just now, and I don't think the provisions that prevent them from turning people away are going to be removed. So I'm hopeful moving forward if that's the case.

This is what dirty pinkos don't understand. Healthcare is a cost pool where you put your money together in case one of you gets sick. If you allow in people who are already sick, everyone has to pay more, and less people would be able to afford healthcare.

And this attitude is why the US pays TWICE as much as the UK per person in healthcare for worse results.

We have single payer healthcare in the UK and guess what that means? NO FUCKING INSURANCE COMPANIES. So yes we pay through tax but we bypass a whole layer of shit you need to go through.

>young before old
>wealthy before impoverished
You mean the people who typically don't need it?

I'm not talking about poor people and dindus.
Normal fags who work but might happen to have chronic asthma or crohns or some shit that really isn't their fault.

Only an edgelord would say "lol welp too bad"

>I did my research on every other issue really thoroughly

Which way did you vote on the slavery amendment?

>for worse results
ahahahaHAHAHAHAHA

Wait I got that wrong we actually pay 1/3rd as much en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

Covering high risk patients did not require the destruction of the entire healthcare infrastructure. Obama care was designed to fail.

I think it's funny some people would rather ban automation completely than even think about living in a world wherein nobody has to work, just because we wouldn't be able to compare dicks anymore

If the damn ACA were repealed, it would be a yuge step in the right direction. It's become clear that the biggest problem with healthcare is that bullshit. Moving beyond that can happen later.

We can worry about swimming once we get our heads above water.

but when Obamacare is repealed I'll lose my current plan.

That's the first things insurance companies will do when the law changes, rescind all current plans and offer new ones, people with preexisting conditions not welcome.