Serious discussion, Sup Forums...

Serious discussion, Sup Forums. Is it safe to say these two men were fighting for roughly the same ends through opposite fiscal means?

No.

no

You really haven't been paying attention have you?

Yes.

>reminder that Bernie and Trump are both for auditing the Fed - the most important issue in the country.

Okay, roughly SIMILAR ends then? Particularly in eradicating elite influence in our government, and helping the working class.

On a lot of issues yes. They both represent the mostly non crazy so-called extremes of the left and right in the country.

This place has circle jerked itself into insanity with their disdain of "liberals" and conflating what they see being engineered within the media with the label "liberal" or "left".

The irony of course being that this is too a lack of self awareness in that these sort of labels are exactly the sort of thing people around here lament having done to them by their opposition.

We probably won't get too far as a collective society until people stop dumbing things down and stop thinking in terms of absolute left and right.

I don't know. What do you think?

Hope you didn't vote thinking that, they have almost opposite end games.

yes, they both appealed to the white working class

Basically this Bernie's approach would be equalizing economic classes by assfucking the rich with taxation. Trump seems to seek revenue mainly through anti-globalist trade reform. They both want to audit the Fed, to "drain the swamp," to get rid of NAFTA, and to restore the middle class.

agreed, half of his polices are old school liberal ideas. Protect jobs, build infrastructure, etc

He has caused the two parties to realign. It will be interesting who holds power in the GOP.

The trump or paul ryan. If the old guard GOP wins trumps mob power will evaporate. Their polices are not compatible with the things that won trump the election.

the economy

I'm not an SJW or a globalist. Bernie loses me there. I just want some ammo against hysterical liberals (including ex-Bernouts) who think we just elected literally Hitler.

>I'm not an SJW or a globalist. Bernie loses me there
That and the gun issue for me. Bernie was better on guns than Clinton, though.

Bernie had a message. A message I don't agree with, but at least it was a message.

Donald Trump had one too, needless to say.

Clinton lost the exact states she lost because she had no message, absolutely nothing appealed to their interests. She was running on praising and continuing an unpopular presidency and not being Donald Trump. It didn't work. She was boring. Sad!

It's difficult trying to explain to people how I voted for Trump with Bernie being probably my second option.

Curious, Do you actually expect Trump to be able to enact his policies? I voted Bernie in the primary but I knew a lot of what he said was not going to happen. Then again this is old hat for me.

I am worried that Trump accessed a very real rage and anger, something real, but be will be unable to alleviate it with good policy.

False hope is a dangerous thing when you promise angry people jobs and success of a past that never was

You're not the only one. I always get the "haha, you know nothing about politics or what Bernie stood for" argument.

Obamacare is basically already gone, that's pretty much a fact. Even with a Democratic president who wrote the very bill, there were many attempts to stop it and repeal it. Now with a president against it and a Republican majority in the house and senate, it's fucking done with absolutely no trouble.

The wall and "wiping the hell out of ISIS" are a lot more complicated, I feel. Seems like things that might not happen for a few years.

>The wall and "wiping the hell out of ISIS" are a lot more complicated

Is that what one him the election. I may be reading everything wrong but I would argue his economic argument won the day.

Will he bring the jobs back, will he build the infrastructure. That will give him every working person in america.

If he fails those votes are gone, they will not return. They will go back to both sides are bad the system is rigged and not vote.

I don't know. There are things that seem border on being unbelievable just from a financial standpoint, like the wall. I'm just waiting to see what will happen, but at the very least I'm overjoyed by the symbolic victory against globalism and for a more autonomy and nationalism.

Sorry I just butchered the English language with this post.

>I am worried that Trump accessed a very real rage and anger

This very real rage and anger is ever present on both "sides". Trump was mostly interested in winning through superior marketing prowess. He essentially beat the media at their own game to get elected.

We're at a precipice. We'll find out in the next months what sort of leader he intends on being.

If his intent is resetting the political discourse and blowing up the notion of a "left" and "right" in the country, this is the best possible scenario. Utilizing his skill-set for unification.

If on the other hand it was all a mere long con just to get his buddies rich, well we're all screwed for a while longer yet.

Regardless, something like him or Sanders HAD to happen in order for our society to move forward.

>Is that what one him the election.
>one

Not making fun of you, it's just funny that I had the exact same dyslexic moment of won -> one a moment ago with a friend. Staying up last night has me sleepy.

I agree though, the economy is a big part, and I feel like Obamacare is a big part of that even.

No because Bernie is a partisan voter, pro war, and is economically retarded.
If you disagree with any of these statements you don't know nearly as much about Bernie as you think.

>There are things that seem border on being unbelievable just from a financial standpoint

Those are the things that made him popular. You see the problem don't you? I am talking pure politics.

He has to deliver on jobs, he has to lower health care costs or his coalition will fall apart.

'Member when Ron Paul had an Audit bill ready for voting and Sanders sabotaged it and pulled out at the last moment?

I 'member.

And what I'm saying is that he fooled half the country. I don't think he's going to betray any of his core ideas, but I also think there's a very precise, tactical reason why he generally dodged some issues like abortion by coming up with run-of-the-mill positions. He probably doesn't give a shit about abortion. He certainly poses no threat to gays in any way. He's not racist. He's not going door-to-door kicking out illegal Mexicans and Muslims. I think he lied to radical right-wingers to win the primaries, and now he's going to enact more sensible centrist policies that still largely offset the globalist stranglehold.

>I think he lied to radical right-wingers to win the primaries, and now he's going to enact more sensible centrist policies that still largely offset the globalist stranglehold.

You are probably right. That is why I don't understand the celebration. The policies that destroyed the rust belt will continue and immigration will continue.

There will be no victory and people refuse to see it. In 8 years we will have another angry change election because the fucking will continue

No, Bernie is a staunch progressive activist and socialist, there was no indication that he was against the expansion of government power (as indicated by his socialist policies), and he seems to be fighting for other socialist/Marxist progressive activists (muh racism, muh sexism, fuck rich people and capitalism, more social safety nets and gibsmedats). Trump is (or at least says he is) fighting for the average joe who feels demonized by society, who feels like the government has screwed him, who feels like his rights are in danger, who thinks the government is too big or who believes that the traditions that he's lived with all of his life are being destroyed and that's a bad thing.

Bernie appeals to relatively well off hipster Marxists while Trump appeals to a broader range of middle class and poor people who feel disenfranchised and betrayed by the establishment.

Bernie claimed he was, but then revealed his true colors when he endorsed Hillary

>The policies that destroyed the rust belt will continue and immigration will continue.
That's not what I'm saying at all. I think he'll definitely deliver on trade and on immigration, he's just not going to round up 11 million Mexicans and throw them over the wall.
I'm saying I don't think he ever believed his own hyperboles. They were just there for maximum persuasion, because he knew his audience extremely well.

VOTE, LADS. LET'S DELIVER THE FINISHING BLOW TO WESTERN LIBERALISM AND THE EUROPEAN UNION AND THE UNITED NATIONS, AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY COMMIE SHITHOLE IN THE WORLD.

THIS IS OUR FIGHT SONG.

>revealed his true colors when he endorsed Hillary

Its called grown up politics, you compromise. Purity tests never end well.

Not a chance

Look how quickly bernie sold out. If he'd won, you think it'd be any different? He's a kike and a sellout (same thing really), whereas trump stuck to his guns even when republican party leadership tried to drop him.

They aren't even in the same ballpark.

>Throwing away your core moral beliefs of anti-antiestablishmentarianism
>grown up

Sure bud

She probably threatened to suicide him with eight bullets to the back of the head and a heart attack from natural causes desu

>I think he'll definitely deliver on trade and on immigration,

He can defiantly do what he wants with trade, complete executive control.

Immigration will be more complex and passing laws require cloture. No guarantee unless the GOP goes nuclear and removes the filibusterer.

Beyond that anything else will need congressional support and those politicians do not line up 100% with his platform. Especially with spending and infrastructure.

>he's just not going to round up 11 million Mexicans

I didn't think he ever would, and I don't think that won him the election. So failure there is not important.