So, since Star Wars: The Last Jedi was shit, I decided to completely ignore nucanon and go back to read the old legends EU.
What are some based comics with Luke/Han/Leia or people relevant to their immediate story?
Is the comic book adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy any good? Are both the Dark Empire comics good?
Gotta know what happened to the real Luke.
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Wait, old canon where Palpatine had clones, Luke fell to the dark side, and 2 dozen writers wrote 50 different subplots that may or may not have been resolved? Honestly doesn't seem like much of an improvement.
I'm desperate, anything is better than this shit. I just need something to wash Disney-canon out of my mind.
The last jedi is easily the best SW film ever made, saying otherwise reveals your pleb level of shit taste
>Gotta know what happened to the real Luke
you realize how much you sound like a man child right now right?
>Wait, old canon where Palpatine had clones, Luke fell to the dark side
But there was nothing fucking wrong with Dark Empire.
Do ylu seriously fucking believe that a universe that has entire armies of clones that the lead dictator of said universe would not prepare cloning to stay alive? Are you fucking retarded?
>The Last Jedi was shit
No, that's your Waifu
>where Palpatine had clones, Luke fell to the dark side
Dark Empire was solid, don't strawman it.
>People don't like it
>But it's good, I swear, you just don't get it.
Star Wars is not high art. It's a big dumb action movie about magic space monks swordfighting with Nazis. It's a shallow, simple puddle which only exists to rake in money. It's popcorn incarnate. If people hate one of the movies, it's not some challenging piece of abstraction they can't understand, it is a piece of entertainment that fails to entertain and is thereby, by definition, bad.
>"I love my pit of mud, get your hygiene out of it"
>People don't like it
>But it's good, I swear, you just don't get it.
Have Disney Wars "fans" fallen to the level of DCEU "fans"?
I really won't waste my time arguing with someone who clearly turns off his brain when viewing a movie
>Not wanting to be a manchild
>Not playing vidya when you're old and got money to buy them
>Not being into nerdy shit when you can afford nerdy shit
So Dark Empire was actually solid? What about the comic adaptation of Thrawn trilogy? Or should I just read the books? I'm tempted to because there's a bunch of stuff that only happens in the books.
Pretty much this.
NuStarWars fans are to me the people you'll never want to even consider listening when asking for taste advice. There are so many character and plot inconsistencies between TLJ and previous films, and even surprisingly TFA that you really have to be an idiot to truly think it was anything better than mediocre.
I'm on the same boat OP, not Luke/Han/Leia centric but I'm re-reading the KOTOR dark horse stuff
Dark Horse = Only Good Star Wars Comics
I was saying it for years, what took you so long?
I feel like replaying both KOTORs. Last time was about 10 years ago I think... I hope they'll have aged well lol
Recommend me some senpai, there are way too much of them.
>KotOR
>Ever not good
Seriously, they're always good. I love DnD though, so it gets bonus points inherently from me
Download mods, if you want a different story or just a shake up. There are mods for whole replacement storylines and new planets.
>Recommend me some senpai
If you have DC++, start with TPB of Tales of the Jedi. It tells the story of the siths: Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, Naga Sadow.
Boba Fett one-shots
X-Wing series
Star Wars Tales anthology series
Tales from the Mos Eisley one-shot
Even Jabba The Hut specials are great
You can literally pick up anything
cont. also. Shadows of the Empire. It was so good, that Lucas even considered filming it
I am genuinely curious what people didn't like about The Last Jedi. I thought the film was a bit busy in terms of everything it had going on but managed to carry it all well, and aside from one rather over the top moment I'm surprised it's been as polarizing as it has.
oh, and how could I forget Crimson Empire trilogy. It's basically Mortal Kombat / Saint Seiya mix with Paul Gulacy art. One of the essential Star Wars story about Palpatine's bodyguard, who was actually a pretty good and noble person
Vader Quest is also awesome and has gorgeous art
What mods? Shill me the good and immersive ones. I know about the content restoration one for KOTOR2.
Was only looking for the ones following the main cast, but after spending a bunch of time on Wookiepedia I'm interesting in all the rest. Thanks for the recommendations. Been using DC++ for over 10+years. Good ol' days of waiting the the newest Marvel Ultimate comic to come out. Was pirating mainly because here in Brazil not only are translations shit, but they are too late.
While it has a comedy overtone, this video summarizes it in a very good way, just ignore the right-wing rhetoric:
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I also fucking hate AngryJoe, but a lot of stuff he points out here is completely legit as well:
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TLJ left my hard crushed and my balls blue.
my heart crushed*
What should I read of Shadows of the Empire? The book or the comics?
BOTH
Will do
>Legends Recommendation List:
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The revenge of the sith novelization is supposed to be pretty good right?
The premise aka TFA is rotten and it only gets worse. Like BvS after MoS.
What are the absolute must read Dark Horse SW comics?
Legacy for doing sequels right
Legacy War too?
Good for you!
Start with the book!
That's under Legacy. See "Legacy era".
Alright, any more recommendations user?
Half the stuff here comes across as incredibly petty non-arguments though. Like if you weren't expecting Disney cross promotion and marketing you were being out right delusional. Other stuff like bitching about Phasma or Snoke being throwaway characters is to my mind equally stupid. People were actually expecting more from these characters? Because of a line from some Disney marketing rep about how they're going to be more prominent?
There are some more substantial points being made, a few of which I even somewhat agree with, but on the whole a lot of this outrage seems to be wavering between complaints that the film a) wasn't original enough with it's idea's and characters and b) didn't do enough to be 'true' to the established characters and set pieces (read fan service)
Two points of contention which are at odds with each other. I'm starting to think people expected way to much from this film.
The ones predating the prequels are especially interesting for not following the rules Lucas later set like Vader being the chosen one so Palpatine can come back through clones, and ancient Jedi having children
Just read all of them and judge, can't be worse than the alternative.
>People were actually expecting more from these characters?
When they're basically shilled as Boba Fett 2.0 and Palpatine 2.0 and TFA already failed at that, it's entirely reasonable to expect the next film to pick up the slack and be disappointed when it doesn't.
If DC fans can take the DCEU to task, Star Wars fans can take Mouse Wars to task. Defenders are just in denial.
>Half the stuff here comes across as incredibly petty non-arguments though
Not to me and a bunch of other people, and I'm not even that big of a Star Wars fan.
I don't care about the Phasma or marketing stuff.
Snoke being a throwaway was a shitty decision because of the buildup from the last film. This is the second film in a trilogy and it completely ignores a lot of setup from the previous film. Clearly they didn't plan this out and it shows. Instead of more of Snoke's backstory and how he corrupted Kylo we got that fucking shitty casino sequence.
>didn't do enough to be 'true' to the established characters and set pieces (read fan service)
That isn't fan service, it's cohesive storytelling. I enjoyed Thor: Ragnarok because it was fun and I basically don't care about Marvel movies anymore and have no attachment to the characters, but they completely raped Thor's character. It was a joke movie though, it was never meant to be taken seriously.
TLJ destroyed Luke's character. Not the moping around after failing his nephew part, but the maybe-I-should-kill-my-nephew part. The ending his character got was atrocious.
Besides that, the fact that they made the original trilogy basically useless and the fact that the film creates plot holes across the series as a WHOLE and lots of part completely makes no sense are not "petty" reasons.
What I expected from this movie was:
>Interesting Luke storyline and Luke being a badass Jedi master
>Rey not being a fucking Mary Sue anymore
>Kylo Ren motivation and backstory (this actually came through partially)
>Resolution of dangling plot points from TFA
>Cohesive storyline
>Something at least on par with Looper which was awesome
Instead I got this fucking shit show. People are going to try and dismiss this shit, but not even the prequels ruined Star Wars so much. Yes they were shit movies, but apart from the midi-chlorians part, nothing they did fucked over the OT.
>Not the moping around after failing his nephew part,
That also counts. Luke moved heaven and earth trying to reach out to Vader
Dass Jennir comic was pretty fucking good
The moping is understandable, especially after his failure led to a bunch of his students being killed and the others becoming Sith.
What I don't understand is how he would just mope around while Snoke builds up and tries to take over his galaxy. Or how he wouldn't at least try to reach Kylo.
As much as Hamill says he likes the new movie you can tell by how he talked on conventions and interviews that he got fucking mad he got the short end of the stick. They fucked him over on EP7 and on EP8 as well.
I'm honestly not even looking forward to EP9, I'm not invested in any character besides Kylo and he isn't enough to make me go watch EP9 on the theater. Not unless Luke is revealed to still be alive or some shit. If Rian Johnson was able to shit all over JJ Abrams' film, I don't see why JJ cant shit all over Rian's film.
I had even planned on seeing the movie twice, but thank god I didn't buy tickets for the second viewing before hand. I can see why ticket sales were so much lower than TFA on monday, because plenty of people didn't want to watch this shitshow again. Only SW movie I plan on seeing is the Obi-Wan spinoff IF, and ONLY IF Ewan McGregor gets the part.
Your argument boils down to "people were dumb to expect any quality from star wars"
>that dead inside face
I mean, I never expected the memes to became real. 2017 was a meme year
I feel sorry for Mark, he didn't deserve this
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I've read somewhere that he didn't know that Luke was going to die until he saw the movie.
Fuck Disney.
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Oh, so you went in expecting luke to swoop in and save the day with flippy laser sword karate instead of being a bitter old hermit like every other old jedi master has ever been in every star wars movie.
NOW, imagine for a moment, that Disney owns batman. I can only guess what kind of atrocity they would create
Wow, that is a very good argument. /s
I'm not even a Batman fan, but I don't wish it on DC fans. Every single franchise I loved was fucked over by Disney after they acquired it.
So I'm right then. Luke was never going to be the main character again. He already had three movies to be the hero. TLJ was very specifically ABOUT how old legends aren't as special as you think they are, and how if we're going to be having a new one of these movies every year for the rest of eternity, we're going to have to move forward instead of navel-gazing.
Navel-gazing is how we got the god-awful bloated EU, where every goddamn tiny background character and object got an extended pointless backstory.
>ABOUT how old legends aren't as special as you think they are
Damn, I hate the current world. Fuck this gay earth
No you're not right, jesus. TLJ can be about whatever the fuck it wants as long as it respects the universe it is in, which it did not.
I didn't want Luke to be THE hero, I wanted him to be fucking Luke. Not some useless old man that's just a plot device and is there just to bring old fans and earn more cash for Disney.
Be honest here, how old are you? You sound like someone who grew up on corporate crap and has no appreciation for the OT.
I go as far and say "Dark Horse = only good Star Wars"
Empire
Rebellion
Republic (also known simply as Star Wars, began in 1999)
Dark Times
Tales
Crimson Empire
Jedi v.s. Sith
even the comic adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy is pretty good
I would say everything is at least worth a try if the title or main characters of the given mini-series intrigues you.
Go in the sw general, they have downloadlinks for everything except
Jedi v.s. Sith
Union
ROTS novel
Darth Plagueis
X-Wing series
Darth Bane if you haven't read Jedi v.s. Sith and/or played KOTOR 1 & 2
Essential Guide to Warfare
Essential Atlas
Essential Guide to the Force
The only books that I liked. Short story collections can also range from good to horrific.
>30 years of almost nothing between ROTJ and TFA
What did Disney mean by this
>When they're basically shilled as Boba Fett 2.0 and Palpatine 2.0
>TFA already failed at that
Did it though? Cool Helmet and Menacing Hologram got about as much development (and screen time, and lines of dialogue) between their two respective sets of films. Was Snoke anywhere near as entertaining as Plapatine? No not really. Is Phasma's helmet as cool as Boba's? Depends on how much you like chrome I guess.
Why do people make themselves look stupid by bringing up something so completely unrelated?
So Luke's moment of considering killing Ben wasn't some kind of lingering internal debate, it was a moment of impulsive reactionary fear. Luke spelled this out in the film.
Still I can see why people are upset by this, it was kind of a bold piece of characterization. I was actually rather surprised by it when watching the movie.
Further, this moment informed all of Lukes subsequent characterization. He didn't reach out to Kylo because he was to ashamed to. He fucked of to his hobo-hermit island because he felt the universe expected too much of him (another instance of these movies being on the nose in meta-themes)
Please. Luke let himself get captured, and then basically said 'Daddy, I believe in you'
He literally put more effort into rescuing Han from Jabba.
Now you might say 'Well if Luke had faith in Vader why couldn't he have the same degree of faith in Ben?' Which is a reasonable point. My only real counter to that would be that it's easy to gamble your own life to save the soul of one old man, than it is gamble the lives of future generations on the decisions of youth.
Again, I can understand why people didn't like this part of the film, but this reaction that it's 'ruined Star Wars' seems hyperbolic.
OP Here and also and
Thanks for the thought out reply. The reason it ruined Star Wars for me is because it broke a lot of things and ruined my favorite characters. I mean, what is Star Wars to you?
To me, Star Wars is Luke, Han, Leia, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader. Han wasn't ruined in the last film, but his film made his death feel like they're just trying to get rid of old stars. Luke to me was ruined in this film. Leia was kind of ruined with the whole superman scene and not being used at all, and now Carrie's dead. Both Obi-Wan and Darth Vader don't come into play so I'll just ignore that.
So we've got the 3 of main characters, which together with the universe itself and the journey is what made Star Wars for me. But now the characters are gone and we've got a bunch of plot holes that were created because of this movie. Why didn't people use the hyperdrive to destroy the Death Star? What was the point of the OT if we're basically back to square one regarding rebels/empire? Were Luke and Anakin really that special? They needed training to do things Rey just knew how to better than them from the start.
I could go on, but to me this movie is a kick in the face of all previous movies, including TFA. There's no respect for the history of SW itself.
>Again, I can understand why people didn't like this part of the film, but this reaction that it's 'ruined Star Wars' seems hyperbolic
Because unlike you, they seem to like the old movies.
I like the old films just fine. I guess they've never been my sacred cow though.
To me Star Wars has always been, I suppose, a fairly generic, if exceptionally well executed Space Opera. I like the characters of the original trilogy, but they never really defined what Star Wars was.
Side note, Ford has been trying to get Han killed off since Empire.
There are a few things I agree with you on. The whole Leia in space thing was over the top, and really unnecessary. The reset to square one is kind of annoying as it does kind of feel like this universe is destined for unceasing war which is tedious and exhausting. If you watch the original trilogy there really isn't to much in there about Luke or Anakin being special. Ghosti-Wan has a line about Luke being their 'last hope' and we hear about what a big deal Anakin was back in the day, but all that prophecy business doesn't actually come up at all until the prequels. I honestly don't particularly like the idea of them being special by any sort of virtue other than what they accomplished, and on the same note Rey's inconsistent power gap does annoy me.
Also I see people continually bring up the hyperspace ramming. My assumption watching the film was that it was something of a novel and bat shit crazy strategy. Like Admiral purple hair didn't even seem to think of it until several of the transports had already been shot out of the sky. This kind of gripe isn't a plot hole. Asking 'Why wasn't anyone crazy and suicidal enough to ram a ship into another at lightspeed until now?' is a question that kind of answers itself.
People keep bitching about plot holes but none of the things I hear them describing are really holes. More along the lines of abandoned threads.
I can agree on the Snoke bit somewhat, especially since he came out of nowhere to begin, but Boba dies in like two seconds in RoTJ, and Phasma follows suit if you want to make that comparison. At least Phasma went out fighting instead of being hit in the back by a blind guy.
Also regardless of the Snoke/Palpatine comparison, I'm glad they killed him off even if they didn't handle it as well as they could have.
Where do you think you are?
>This kind of gripe isn't a plot hole. Asking 'Why wasn't anyone crazy and suicidal enough to ram a ship into another at lightspeed until now?' is a question that kind of answers itself.
Really? I mean, it took them hundreds of years after hyperdrive was invented to think of that? They could literally just create a remote controlled ship and use it as a missile. It was asinine. It was a really cool shot tho.
Yeah, Phasma was literally Bobba 2.0. I don't get the complaints. Bobba Fett was literally there and gone so quickly in the OT.
Being a manchild is great if you have money, a cute GF and if you lift, cause then no one gives you shit about being a autistic manchild IRL.
Never going to happen. There is no official canon anymore.
Official canon was George Lucas and the Holocron. Disney canon is alternate universe.
>Star Wars shields don’t keep out hyperdrive attacks
So Star Trek basically wins all those old vs arguments now via teleporters?
Good Star Wars comics
The classic Marvel comics
The Boba Fett minis
Star Wars AKA Star Wars: Republic (1998)
Episode I: Anakin Skywalker, Queen Amidala
SW Tales 1-10
Darth Maul, Darth Maul: Death Sentence
SW: Empire
Purge: Last Stand of the Jedi and Seconds to Die
Knights of the Old Republic and KotOR: War
Legacy (2006)
Legacy: War
The Knight Errant minis
Agent of the Empire
Jedi: the Dark Side
SW (2013)
Legacy (2013)
Rebel Heist
The Jabba Tape
The Bounty Hunters
Heart of Fire
Jango fett
Zam Wesell
A Valentine's Story
Shaak Ti
General Grievous
Why would they? They’re making lots of money from TLJ.
Do you remember the prequels when they first came out and critics sucked their dicks and normies threw money and it was only decades later when everyone sobered up?
It’s the same with Nu Wars. The Normies won’t turn against the films until their corporate masters say it’s okay to hate the decade old movies not making money anymore.
Disney Wars makes the prequels look like kino.
This is true. But normies are so whipped by Disney that they think porgs are good.
Give it ten years before people wake up.
Normies are absolutely disgusting and I wish they didn't try and make every geek thing into pop culture. They just ruin it with their fucking shit taste.
As much as Star Wars is loved now, there was a point when Star Wars fans got made fun of and called geeks for it. I miss that time.
In 10 years SW movies will be even worse.
Could a remote control ship's navigation be easily jammed?
Could a remote control ship be boarded and disabled?
How big would this ship need to be to adequately damage a station like the Star Destroyer, so that the investment was worth it?
How easily could other ships maneuver out of the way of a remote controlled ship?
Or destroy it before it could maneuver into position?
>Do you remember the prequels when they first came out and critics sucked their dicks and normies threw money and it was only decades later when everyone sobered up?
That literally never happened, people bashed the shit out of Phantom Menace, specially because Jar Jar. There was a lot of disgust or Attack of the Clones, too.
>Attack of the Clones
At least the action scenes were better. Oh well.
>Could a remote control ship's navigation be easily jammed?
No? Or else they would have jammed it when they were escaping. Auto pilot is used most of the time just with someone overseeing it.
>Could a remote control ship be boarded and disabled?
You mean boarding a ship that's going faster than lightpseed?
>How big would this ship need to be to adequately damage a station like the Star Destroyer, so that the investment was worth it?
Clearly not that big looking at the size comparison between the ships in the movie
>How easily could other ships maneuver out of the way of a remote controlled ship?
It's going FASTER THAN LIGHT
>Or destroy it before it could maneuver into position?
Jesus fucking christ this just reeks of desperation. Stop making excuses. The scene was awesome but they fucked up. This is just fucking sad.
I actually liked it. Maybe I just have bad taste, but not enough to like NuStar Wars.
I admit I really liked Revenge of the Sith, for all the Anakin stupid moments, but if I hadn't watched the original trilogy first, it would have pissed me off pretty hard.
But TLJ corrects most of TFA rotten premises.
Don't talk to marleldrones.
>but they completely raped Thor's character
How?
>Not some useless old man that's just a plot device and is there just to bring old fans and earn more cash for Disney.
Did you sleep in the theater?
A big part of this movie was showing that the Resistance is on the brink of disappearing and that it's hard to recruit new people in an environment where populations don't care.
Everybody is talking about how hope is a spark for the resistance.
When Luke tells Rey that he's a man of legend but he is a man first and he can't self handedly save the universe, she replies that the universe needs a legend.
And that's what Luke does. He gives the universe a new legend, to spark hope, to break the appathy and help the resistance's forces to grow. Hence the final scene with the little boy playing at recreating luke's final showdown.
Luke is an old man, he can't be the dashing young man of the first trilogy, whether physically or mindwise. But he still saves the resistance.
>To me, Star Wars is Luke, Han, Leia, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader.
Then you shouldn't watch the new movies. You know those actors are old. You know there are new mains characters, Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren.
This new movie was never made for you. It was made for people who wanted to move forward.
>forward to a cliff
Fixed.
>Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren.
Annoying Teen #1, Token Black Guy and Annoying Teen #2.
I want to move forward. Old Ben Kenobi was interesting, but not that much. Prequel Obi-wan was to me a brand new character, he is the sole reason I cared for the prequels.
I don't care about anyone in the new films. Kylo Ren is the only interesting character but it's not enough to make me go buy a ticket, especially after they shit all over my favorite characters.
Did you want an other Indiana Jones 4? A movie where the main character tries to do everything he did that was so cool when he was 20 years younger and just looks pathetic because he can't really and he's just old?
Better to have a character that knows that he can't compare to his legend and do what he can with the possibility he has, rather that a character who tries to act like a youngman and you only see how old he has become.
And Luke still saves the resistance.
>Did you want another Indiana Jones 4?
Yes, because then we wouldn't have to see these Shia Leboufs.
And this one, is he an annoying teen?
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Nice argument bro.
No, because he doesn't become a Jedi master in just some days.
>But TLJ corrects most of TFA rotten premises.
It absolutely doesn't. It just continues digging the hole Abrams dug for the SW Saga. Instead of Han abandoning everyone it's now Luke abandoning his family and being an outright failure. And it doubles down on going back to the plucky Rebels vs evil Empire meme from the beginning of the OT instead of going the route of rebuilding the Republic..
Rey is a Jedi master? All that is stated is that she has a huge amount of raw power.
>raw GRRRL POWA
Fixed.
So anticlimactic though. Felt like Dark Horse shat out a happy ending as quick as possible because they had to finish it off once Disney bought Star Wars. We never got the epic Jennir v Vader showdown that it was building towards.
For me, Star Wars are Sith. And nothing else
By erasing EU, they erased Darth Bane (for me), Darth Revan, Darth Nihilus, and many other Darths I loved
>What was the point of the OT if we're basically back to square one regarding rebels/empire?
This is my biggest issue with the new movies in that in order for new characters take the mantle of hero, villain, antihero, etc, they have to undo the perfect ending of the OT. They should of just set hundred of years later and have it not be another rebellion vs empire, they can't top the old shit.
Heir to the Empire is also shit.
It's not the idea, just the execution.
>I decided to completely ignore nucanon and go back to read the old legends EU.
You made a wise choice my friend.
