What would a sane and worthwhile Left look like?

If the Left stopped caring about gender neutral toilets and shilling for mass immigration and globalism what would it look like? What policies and ideas should it be advocating to actually improve the lives of workers?

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It would like 80s USSR

The left needs to kick out the SJWs and focus on class warfare and economic inequality.

Clinton was so cucked by the SJWs she was fucking OUT FLANKED by Trump on the LEFT on issues of the working class. She was that pathetic.

James "wrecking vagina in Indochina" Webb is a 0erfect representation of what the modern left should strive to be. Conservative social policies combined with a historically proven beneficial liberal economic approach.

>central committee deciding on how much automation actually cuts into the job market, and then adjusts basic income based to it
>they also try to still keep people employed as it is an important psychological thing
>race realism also an important part of the whole equation, basic income is different for each race and IQ bracket, to make sure that the dumbfags dont create 20 children, but also spur the smarter ones to create more, subtle eugenics to reduce the other races in favor of high IQ, but also high test white race.
>free market still allowed
>but also have a very aggressive anti monopoly/oligopoly police force willing to wreck shit up
>also allow some semi direct democracy on what kind of grande projects should be build, or what kind of focus the industry/science fields should be going towards
>connected to a giant AI that analyzes many different variables and is allowed to adjust things in real time to always have a favorable outcome for the quality of life of whites

The focus should be on providing seatbelts and airbags for the wild ride of life, not a nanny state. So that people know that no matter how hard they crash, the gubment will be there to sort them out.

An original socialist motto was to 'provide by ability, receive by need'.

mabe this
late soviet shit is interesting, except few memes like queues

The USSR.

You're confusing identity politics with the "left".

The "left" is not what you think it is.

Pic related.

>What would a sane and worthwhile Left look like?
It would look like the Right.

>muh shariah zone
>sure comrade get on that train

I agree with you. I'm asking what the left should look like in 2016, if it's apparatus was cleansed of identity politics obsessed liberals.

Welp, Stalin times would be a good example of left politics, if you exclude ww2. Other than that it is great. People working for a cause, love to work, love other comrades, national spirit on the rise, traitors and corupt officials shot.
Damn, feels like a great country.

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Devotion to the working class and only the working class, no racial/sexual division (anti-white, man hating, etc...), no Wall Street cooperation or reliance upon big money, trade isolationism (to combat global capitalism) and soft nationalism ("buy American because only America treats its workers with dignity"), in America there would need to be a synthesis with Christian Socialism which is honestly more workable than many leftists currently believe. That is the rough picture.

>identity politics obsessed liberals.
Identity politics are not a byproduct of liberalism imo
Is a byproduct of purposelessness
If we bring back Communism, we must make it Space Communism and go full Manifest Destiny on Ayylmaos

>Identity politics are not a byproduct of liberalism Identity politics is the spawn of people of bourgeois upbringing who view class through an extremely privileged gilded lens.

Zizek.

Lenin was the only good Leftist.

Durruti?

>Not Tito

>80s USSR
>sane
It was most depressing shit ever.
youtube.com/watch?v=TxZ2OllvS0M

>Not even Stalin could KGB based Tito

+15

They would advocate for unions, worker rights and fair taxation, maybe demand a couple public colleges and hospitals to be built in poor areas
You know, things that make sense

>posting this edgy contrarian shill to justify how (((depressing))) the ussr was

i listen to some of his songs, but the guy was a borderline american plant without even realizing it.

Left is total submission to state. How can it be sane and not fall into totalitarianism?

IT JUSHH WERKSH
*sniff*

We had a real left in this country, once. Somebody's gotta go make them great again.

>space communism
>manifest destiny on ayylmaos

This dude and Teddy Roosevelt.

One where they allow individuals to have their own opinions and live their lives based on their own beliefs instead of forcing their values onto the rest of the country.

Not going to happen buds. That left is dead and buried, and not because class warfare has stopped existing, but because the ideological warfare has been won since the wall went down (even before one might say)

Sometimes I just think we must only accellerate the process.

If that were true for the most part, what caused them to fail? Genuine question

why do the ''left'' care so much about people's gender so fucking much?

I thought leftism was about economics and beating down corps.

Market Socialism will be the future of the Left. The free market is a powerful force, and we must grab it by the pussy--firmly, but not so much that it hurts. Allow firms to operate freely, but ensure that they pay for the social costs they create.

that model is going down fast, it is unsustainable in the global market since there are so many sweatshops in the world with plenty of workers without rights.

if its anti-traditional its left

Both left and right are retarded weighting different things. Left more about the common people and right more about the wealthy. They are both attitudes to a broken competition and division of resources. Nations fucking suck but currently we are pretty helplessly stuck under their influence with no easy way out.

Socialism just doesn't work because lack of good centralized power. Socialism-lite is pretty ok as it makes lives for the everyman better as long as you don't lose the power corporations bring to the country which is why we are destined to tether around centrist ideals with minor pushes left and right.

>allocate all of the czar's assets into one central government
>corrupt beauracrats take the money and run
>everyone is poor as fuck
>currency is worthless
>all the intellectuals who pushed for communism are blamed for the disaster, rounded up and shot by poor stupid morons
>nation has to default into a military dictatorship who's power is spread out amongst a few hundred people

Welcome to 1917 you fucking snownigger.

This is not the left, it's a bunch of sheltered, narcissistic kids looking for a proxy identity.

If we are talking communism...It would have to be a fascist state.

Communism, "real" communism, means a stateless, classless society.

Fundamentally people want to follow the law of the land whatever it may be. Under "real" communism laws don't exist. It's a pie in the sky system that only works on paper.

Pic related

a leaf..right?

Like national socialism

>fascist state

nothing like communism, an historical device used by the capital when their interested are threathened by a real device.

Behind every fascism there's a failed revolution.

A sane left does exist, in Marxist-Leninist groups. Some of them embrace silly identity politics though, but things like the IMT have a good understanding of what's going on.

Feminists tend to hate us because we won't validate their gender focused narrative of white male priivilege, because at the end of the day it's a crackpot theory that they use as an excuse for their various idiotic actions.

Communists on the other hand try to understand history and current events through the lens of dialectical materialism, in which "white privilege," is the same type of privilege you would get in any other country for having a penis and a certain ethnicity.

Most actual leftists hate feminists because they're intellectually confused morons who are trapped in their own victim complex, usually because they're sexists themselves. All groups which engage in identity politics tend to be reactionary in nature and you can't reason with them.

t. failed state

this it's a shitty mentality but it's what the world has come to today. people who originally came up with such ideas in communist states were either ignored or repressed so they fled to western capitalist countries and started propagating that poisonous stuff around there, people ignored the fact that they were expats and took those idas as the basis of the left's thinking. communist sympathizers adopted the bs and eventually it became more important than the left's economical stance which was the basis of their thought.

we're talking about the west, mostly. people in other parts of the globe still hold communism and the 'left' as it was originally perceived, though some already adopted the western way of thinking.

meant for

Perhaps not fascism, but maybe some sort of...patriotic collectivism.

>What would a sane and worthwhile Left look like?
One that makes it easier for lower middle class to work. Rather than making it easier to stay home live off wellfare.

>If the Left stopped caring about gender neutral toilets and shilling for mass immigration and globalism what would it look like?
1950s Labour party

But they were way past that when they collapsed
IMO it was the size of the Russian Soviet
It was wielding too much power making the desires of the other soviets irrelevant
Eventually it was torn due to the tensions that this situation created, it was a political failure, not an economic one

>shills
>cia agents
Even if you twisted vision has something in realty doesn't matter if people love it. Tsoi was ove of the most worshiped singers and what he made was basically emo rock. tells about mode brooding in sovietlings. "Die young, but i have pack of smokes so it is ok".

Another example of soviet culture who left probably most prominent legacy for the world culture - Brothers Strugatsky stopped write "positive" books of bright Communism future and started write essay of existentialism full of black gloomy mood. As they said in the interviews it was their vision they don't see how USSR would come into "bright future", but they could not say it openly in USSR.

Late USSR was full of that depression mood.

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its not really western thing
here in russia everyone was a fedora and nuked churches because it was cool, "fuck off opressor" etc

same thing t b h

also its because capitalists are trad. normies so fuck them so hard lmao

>land

Union/Worker rights has 0 to do with communism that deprives these rights of the people.

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Wasnt like your golden era based on living standards?

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Something like this?

labor not being united enslaves us.

sub human.

The left only cares about social issues. Big government programs are secondary to how many Muslims are sitting on your executive board.

A worthwhile left is one that's fiscally focused rather than socially. Obama, as much as I dislike his politics, presented a digestible balance since his main platform was universal healthcare.

One thing that pisses me off about Sup Forums is how you elide liberals and the left. Liberals are not left-wing, they represent the centre.

Petit bourgeois liberals love to make their politics about the individual. Genuine left wing movements are about collective action, liberal movements are about the right of an individual's agency or self-expression.

Collective movements are far harder to put down than one person's right to sterilise themselves and identify as another gender.

While the left allows radlibs and posers like Zizek to dominate the discourse and praxis we won't get anywhere.

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Zizek is GOAT.

But yes, fuck liberals and get commie.

>both white
>both male

P R O B L E M A T I C

>posting subhumans that took over the rights of the workers with a smaller collective
immigration only serves to destroy the collective labor union of the nation.

>Late USSR was full of that depression mood.

because as it started to become more and more open to external influence people started to get the false illusion that the west was better and that they were on the wrong side of history. people in russia nowadays still have a slight brooding mood to them regardless of communism or capitalism.

i'm not saying the ussr was a dream world, bleak and quiet atmosphere is always better than the brave new world-tier chaos the west created over the last century. if you disagree, then you have to come visit or look a little deeper.

Labor > Marxism
Labor rights /=/ Marxism

This is true I think.
Nowadays the way of the left has been lost, totally, and it's confused with all this liberal PC shit.

The left shouldn't care about fucking gender neutral pronous, gender bathrooms, race relations and all that shit.

The left should care about class warfare, wealth redistribution, worker rights and building a complete welfare state.

I think that in the recent years there have been some (((psy ops))) to divert the left's attention towards stupid issues while at the same time unions and workers rights are being butchered

>illusion
Soviet union people didn't have cars.

The left should care about class warfare, wealth redistribution, worker rights and building a complete welfare state.

Labor cares only about labor and its rights, everything else is irrelevant.

Here in Italy that is generally the historic left

All of those should be abolished. That said, popular regulation (via labor movement) is significantly better and more realistic than Marxism.

>not Strasser

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Biggest question now about political future, is this possible? I doubt it, I see them going to some Maoism insanity as their too deluded not to double down.

i always thought this guy was cool.

Wealth distribution has nothing to do with labor, class warfare has nothing to do with labor, labor has nothing to do with anti labor welfare states, fuck off bolshevik chains.

>give less power to labor
for what purpose?

The difference is that back then companies couldn't just pack their thing and go to China. Now they can, just like what happened to Detroit.

The first problem for the left in America (and soon enough also Europe) should be trying to pass the idea that racial tensions play right into the hand of the capital. A war between poors only benefit the upper class

I don't know how to do it, but think this should be the focus.

They would be republicans.

The effective tax rate on millionaires was about 49% according to bloomberg

bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-01-02/1950s-tax-fantasy-is-a-republican-nightmare

>Wealth distribution has nothing to do with labor, class warfare has nothing to do with labor, labor has nothing to do with anti labor welfare states, fuck off bolshevik chains.

Basic income.

I disagree with the laws, not with labor organizing for better working terms.

>If the Left stopped caring about gender neutral toilets and shilling for mass immigration and globalism what would it look like?

Is this a joke? The Left has never supported those things. They've been the strongest opponents to globalism since before you were born, son.

Sweet post. I dig the subtle eugenics part.

Era of soviet standards. You don't die from hunger and have roof above head. But was far cry from prosperity like US had starting from 50s when all consumers needs were fulfilled. Soviets were very hungry for little consumer pleasures because they didn't have one.

Most importantly falsehood of official politics and official media became clear. Falsehood became second nature of soviet life. Say and hear one and see another. "Don't believe official newspaper and read between the lines". Everything official become ugly grotesque parody of itslef. Like mandatory 1st May parades of happiness (literally dystopia tier).

This makes no sense, what power do parasites have to enforce basic income?

>Effective tax rate for people with reported incomes exceeding $1m in the 1950s
So about three people?

It wasn't an
>illusion
you dumb fuck. Do people really believe this shit. The gommie system collapsed because people realized that they were wrong. Their economy, their society is utter trash.

Socialism isn't like a rainbow fairyland, it isn't even more compassionate than western liberalism, it's just shit. No wonder when the whole ideology is based on trashy people's greed, who couldn't make it in the previous system, so they had a violent revolution or internal oppression to help them take shit for themselves.

Marxist-leninist socialism is trash. Maybe some reformist movements could've helped it in the 50s or 60s. But in the 80s it was just too late, the whole system was crumbling and people were disillusioned by the constant lies and failures.

If the Socialists barge into the DNC by force right now, they could hijack the entire party. It would be hilariously entertaining to watch.

The elites who long controlled the Democrats have lost any and all credibility.

i assume you believe that capitalism is better then?

>you don't like marxist-leninist system
>you believe workers should have no power
Regular mercantalist state, with worker unions.

>because as it started to become more and more open to external influence people started to get the false illusion that the west was better and that they were on the wrong side of history.
It was very easy to fall into these illusions in USSR. USSR was ugly, USSR had iron curtain "to protect people fro ebil west propaganda" "Ignorance is strength" - it is not the parody it is soviet media manual . Its own media was total bullshit no wander that combination of censorship and USSR ugliness make people believe anything coming from West. Like right people come hungry for redpills to Sup Forums and vote billionaire Trump after buckets of left media bullshit they have to deal everyday