Why is european animation so good?

Why is european animation so good?

Because it's not stuck in the "must be comedy or for children" ghetto that American animation almost never gets out of.

treated seriously like every other medium

My next step to make my book a cult science-fiction animation.

This. This. This.
That's the only reason really. American animation may have helped technologically advance it, but Europe and Japan have it ingrained into their culture

There's no CalArts across the pond.

100% correct
Case in point

What the hell happened to American animation that became stigmatized as "children's entertainment"? Things like Betty Boop, Fantasia, and several WB shorts were obviously not aimed at kids. So why did Japan and Europe got to make cartoons for all age groups while the US failed at that?

>tfw there's no signs we'll be getting out of this anytime soon

Laika needs to make a PG-13 hit or something.

>What the hell happened to American animation
Disney, Hanna Barbera and $$$

You mean 'another', though, right? Wasn't Coraline a smashing PG-13 success?

There's already an adult version of Laika.

Coraline was PG

it was the FCC I believe, they kept getting stricter on their regulations of what can be in a cartoon until it was completely emasculated into a "children's Medium"

European animation is stuck in that ghetto as much as American animation is. Need we be reminded at how much trouble it took them just to get the Lastman animated series made?

IT'S A GOODA POST

>still not animated euro Junji Ito

What is taking so long?

Not centralized to the uppermiddle class Californian populace.

OLD WORLD BEST WORLD

It's more that we don't overprotect our children as much.

>Ameri/co/ seriously believes that
Call me when a cartoon wins the palme d'or or the best film award at Venice.

>Laika
>hit
You cheeky cunt.

My theory is that it's because America is a relatively young nation. We only have a few hundred years of culture/art, and out of that, the big names are shit like Disney, Hanna Barbara, Looney Tunes, etc. Hacky kids shit.

Places like Europe or Japan on the other hand, have been doing art and illustrations and shit like that for thousands of years. So it's just more culturally accepted that illustration can be a serious medium.

It was amazing, though.

The get only the finest and least starved Koreans to make it.

But that's wrong. France has used actual Best Korean animators more than other countries (see Guy Delisle's Pyongyang).

At the same time animation in itself is a young medium, Film in general.
I think it probably has more to do with our industry and where the money is.

It has lots of little studios supported by government subsidies instead of a few big studios supported entirely by the market, so there's more freedom to do less popular stuff.

This is actually correct.

I watched this movie only because Sup Forums posted it in every euro animation thread, and I think it blows

I say this as an american that most americans are absolutely terrified of associating with anything that is not rated M or R for maturity

Sure doesn't explain why they flock to cinemas to watch PG-13 action movies.

>Kerascoet made a new graphic novel.
Why the FUCK did I not know about this?!

PG-13 is just an R rated film without nudity

...

Your current generation of animators are kids, mentally at least. They're children in adult bodies that failed to grow up and start throwing shit fits as soon as someone asks them about being off model which ends up with a situation where the entire industry is clique based.
Nobody can crawl out the pit when everyone's okay with the pit.

What are you doing with those goalposts user? They're not yours to move around.

MEGA WHERE

USA govement did supported and funded national culture art 70+ years ago. You can see and read this in some of there older mediums.
Today everything culture related they created or dig up are now private and not supported by your goverment anymore. In other words USA is ruled by big companies, which suck ass.

>Hays Code comes into play in ~1934. doesn't go out of fashion until the mid 1950's.
>During this time Disney thoroughly dominates the market for feature length animated films.
>Comics Code in the mid 1950's basically prevents comic books from ever being seen as an "adult" medium, and encourages everything to be seen through the lens of capeshit rather than "weird stories" or just "stories".

the exceptions to this are: some of the "underground"/"counter-culture"-stuff that came out in the 1960's-70's-80's, possibly disney's attempt at marketing to boys in the early 2000's (Treasure Planet and Atlantis, both of which basically fell victim to internal sabotage or fumbling by marketing suits)


fuck "concerned mothers",

funny enough the art that best "showed off" the benefits of liberal free expression was modern art/abstract stuff.
The soviets hated it and were big on "socialist realism", while the CIA basically encouraged grants be given to figures like Jackson Pollock .
(then again the CIA/Western-intelligence agencies were full of "prep-school"/upper-class-types (OSS had a lot of english Public-School and US Ivy-League types in it during ww2)

Why is french animation so good?

Doncha know? The French are the artsy-fartsy type.

It died in 1993 when WB threw the Magnum Opus of American animation in the garbage. It was made by the guy who literally wrote the book on animation (who had all the other Greats help him with it), and they ruined it because they had someone who didn't even know how to draw as their department head.

That movie was a black hole of money

The Rabbi's Cat won the Prix Jacques Prévert du Scénario

It's doing fine

God I hate this type of fight animation, I see it all the time in anime and it's not better there.

To each his own

at least its more than 1 frame a second like 99% of anime

The talking scenes are more than just still shots of a person's face too

>castlevania
but thats nip stuff.

It was animated in Texas

I'm just not a big fan of this, i understand why but it's too flashy and quick to fit how the show tries to sell itself, i feel like fight scenes are nest done when it feels like every strike matters, this feels like they'll shrug off whatever isn't a clean decapitation

This is better than

*d'adaptation.
Not exactly a prestigious award but thanks for the info nonetheless.

Big productions have to pay more executives, thus having to make more money, thus having to reach more audiences, thus having to have less challenging content.

I really should be trying to model my dream film as PG-13 indie instead of classic DreamWorks; American productions really hate anything risky.

That looks fucking retarded.

The video is sped up for gif size

Pretty sure none of the classic Dreamworks are rated anything higher than PG-13 user. Fucking Prince of Egypt and Road to Eldorado were PG.

Is that so? Sorry, i'm pretty tired rn and didn't realize.

I thought it looked alright the whole scene with the demons eating people was pretty rad too

It's hardly something I'd look for anyway, it's on YouTube if you want to see it at speed. But in general I get what you mean if you don't have a problem with anime in general Sword of the Stranger is really good at weighty sword fight visuals

I hate that the very first post derailed the thread we could have just had a nice Euro animation thread but some anons stay obsessed

It's something I think could land PG if attempted during DreamWorks' heyday and it handled the setting right, but naturally a lot less shit flies today and companies are generally less ambitious unless they're specifically making Oscarbait (which doesn't happen for the Best Disney category).

At the very least it would need an onscreen character who smokes. The PG/13 issue would be between cigarettes or straight up drugs.

>a lot less shit flies today
Do you take memes seriously or something?

Fuck off libshits, I don't want to pay higher taxes to support your abstract doodles

have fun with your Hollywood Remake #38

Or just don't give rich people unfair tax cuts and undue the bloated military budget that exists mostly to line the pockets of wealthy weapons manufacturers

hell Witcher 3 was partially funded by the government and that game is loved (mostly) by Sup Forums

I haven't paid for a Hollywood movie in years and you still haven't justified your position beyond butthurt that a company doesn't make cartoons the way you want

>doesn't spend money on cartoons
>doesn't want other people to spend money on cartoons
Do you not like cartoons?

I bet he also doesn't like comics

God I love that game

Based Poland.

>if you tax rich people more, everything will be paid for

You retards could take ever penny of every rich person and still jot have enough money to funds your gibs. The burden will still ultimately lay on other citizens and I don't want to pay more so you fags can get self gratification. And as for your military budget claim, that's less than twenty percent of the national budget while over half goes to welfare entitlements. Military contracts go to the lowest bidder

>this vidya game got gubment money that justifies my position

You want to forcefully take my money to pay for your cartoons. There's a vast difference retard

Blood/Gore and words like Fuck are mostly absent, too.

When you cut it that way it makes it look like no big deal but when you compare military spending to education spending and see that we spend 8x more the military it puts things in perspective just a bit

>my money
you mean money given to you by industries that probably benefit from the government

It's OK to like Anime.

>Sup Forums likes garbage games
Figures

Never said it wasn't

Nobody is talking about creating a cartoon tax, big boy.

US spends the most money per student and never mind the fact that school districts are handled by their city and or county. You retards still come out retarded in spite of that extra money

Mental gymnastics and moving goal posts now. Wew lad. Thank god there's barely any leftist in government power right now

>government creates new program

>retard thinks new taxes won't be raised to fund it

Why are you people allowed to vote

>Wew Lad
this is a bad thread

When you haven't made anything first, yeah. Which is why this is gonna be a productive year. Happy New Year all.

>pretentious shit that is either a social commentary on the same level of maturity and wit as a anarchist teen, or boring art projects that lead nowhere
>good
The "Europe has a great animation scene" literally only comes from cherry picking the actual good ones and ignoring the many forgettable ones

I mean this stuff looks good but its not great the most I can accredit to it is that you can actually follow the fight in a series of clashes but thats about it.

I would gladly sacrifice 10 Emoji Movies to fund William's vision.

>retard thinks every time something new is funded a new tax is raised
How cute.

>US spends the most money per student

That's nice, that money must have been stowed away somewhere while my school got funded in paper clips and chewing gum

>nominated for Golden Lion
>won grand jury prize

>The "Europe has a great animation scene" literally only comes from cherry picking the actual good ones and ignoring the many forgettable ones
That part is right but it contradicts your previous statement (which sounds like it comes from a place of misguided anger anyway).

So still no then.

There used to be a time when Americans wouldn't have minded that their tax dollars were going towards supporting the arts or commissioning paintings, sculptures and statues. What happened?

This.

>>pretentious shit that is either a social commentary on the same level of maturity and wit as a anarchist teen, or boring art projects that lead nowhere
We aren't talking about Steven Universe right now user.

we got rid of those republicunts and are now trying and hoping tax money goes to helping our citizens homeless, poor or otherwise at risk

Jesus you're stupid. There isn't a single new program that gets passed in the US without some new tax or tax penalty implemented to help fund it. You didn't think they just used the existing money they fleeced off you did you?

Because retards are calling anything "art" these days. If you want to make a doodle fund it yourself or find an idiot voluntarily willing to fund it for you. Fuck off out of my pocket

counter-counter culture happened

Name one big movie that bothered challenging audiences in any sort of abstract fashion. People now need a "realistic" story or an easy to consume plot line. They have too much going on in their lives so when they watch something, they want something that doesn't require them to think for any longer than the span of the media itself. Consider that bands like Talking Heads wouldn't be so insanely popular if they made music today compared to making music back in the 80s. Any type of music, film, literature, or comic made today has to have some sort of clear cut story or tangible emotion to latch onto. Oh, this made me sad. Oh, this made me excited! Nothing can be confusing anymore because then it would be called pretentious.

The very fact that people have adopted this mindset to question what art "is", an attempt to define and restrict art, shows how fall we have fallen from being a society of the intellectually curious to one where we we must be conservative about the cartoons we make.