Trump keeping parts of Obamacare

What the fuck is going on?

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Some public healthcare is good for the American worker
Can't have people dying in the streets

In his first interview since the election, Donald Trump tells the Wall Street Journal that he may be willing to leave in place two key elements of President Obama's healthcare reform law.

The provision allowing children to stay on their parents' healthcare plan until the age of 26, as well as the prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions may remain in place, he said.

“I like those very much,” Mr. Trump said about those two elements of the law, which he had previously vowed to "repeal and replace".

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HAHHAHAHAHAHHA

Trump is literally back pedalling on everything he has promised. I cannot believe people fell for this conman.

>no source
Even if true he likely would do what

said.

Essentially the only parts of it that were simple and people liked. Could have been a 1 page bill not thousands.

>In his first interview since the election, Donald Trump tells the Wall Street Journal that he may be willing to leave in place two key elements of President Obama's healthcare reform law.

>The provision allowing children to stay on their parents' healthcare plan until the age of 26, as well as the prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions may remain in place, he said.

>“I like those very much,” Mr. Trump said about those two elements of the law, which he had previously vowed to "repeal and replace".
wew

>wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-willing-to-keep-parts-of-health-law-1478895339

he's just gonna get rid of the "lines around the states" and negotiate prices better.

i don't know shit about how to fix healthcare in this country so that works for me

It's repeal (the things that don't work) and replace them with something better not raze everything to the ground.

they're keeping the pre-existing conditions thing because it's very popular politically

Sensible. That's fine with me.

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Honestly some people are not lucky and have lots of diseases and problems and they can't work while they are on a hospital bed. This probably will not be that bad and I think Trump is pretty much a democrat in some respects.

he absolutely lied about repealing and replacing obamacare, because obamacare at the moment is so unpopular that that was a good stance to take. but the better route has always been to just fix the parts that suck about it, and hopefully that's what we get.

The pre-existing condition one seems pretty damn great desu...

It's called you fell for the ruse of a businessman who knows how to get votes.

it makes no fucking sense economically to expect businesses to take these customers. they will just be playing a shell game of how to avoid them.

>What the fuck is going on?
You getting fired from CTR soon is what's going on. Now fuck off.

hes said this in the past

both of those have widespread popularity

when people talk about repealing Obamacare theyre talking about the govt regulations on insurance policies and the awful govt marketplace

Both of those things were the only good parts of the bill.

No source but sounds reasonable

Awesome. Smart.

He has been brainwashed. Exlect more of the same. But never expect life to get better.

Those were the two only good parts of obamacare

>republicans hated all of the ACA, including these provisions
>offered no replacement for ACA, including these specific provisions
>suddenly republicans love these provisions

le sigh

I'm fine with this.

Honestly I think we got played. Trump was just playing both sides of the fence.

No wall, Obama care will be repealed and replaced by Obama care. He probably will increase immigration from Mexico too.

This is literally the best way of moving forward on Obongocare reform, he is already fucking nailing it. The high isn't stopping bros.

Hans you have a bull to prep.

You just got ... trumped!

1/2

...

>We'll have a big beautiful door where they can come into our country. But they're going to do it legally, folks.
Yeah, I'm for it.

wtf I love Obama now.

People are used to the fact that you can't get refused due to pre-existing conditions.

Before ACA came into effect, some states had set up "high risk" pools for people with pre-existing or extreme conditions. These programs were just not well known or simply ignored in favor of the cumbersome national "fix" that is ACA.

>The average American is fat, has blood pressure problems, and takes antidepressants

>Thinking you can eliminate access to healthcare for 20 million voters with no consequences

It was never about the law, Republicans only like reform when *they* get to put their name on it.

Watch, Trump will nominate Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court and they'll confirm him instantly.

AIUI, Trump was on a "make america great again" platform, not a continuation of the GOPvDEM idealogy. Healthcare should be considered a necessity, like roads, electricity and water. Everyone needs it, and without it America is NOT GREAT.

>Leaf doesn't realize he has a site

WRONG. He has said he would keep preexisting conditions I'm certain, but hadn't heard 26 part. I like it.

TRUMP PLAYED ALL YOU STUPID PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL COCKSUCKERS

We can and we should. The strong should not be burdened by the weak

The provision allowing children to stay on their parents' healthcare plan until the age of 26, as well as the prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions may remain in place, he said.

Welcome to National Socialism. No one is going to be dying on the streets (because of a pre-existing condition) because that is shameful to the nation and adversely impacts national spirit.

>CRASHING THIS MOVEMENT

Trump supporters don't give a fuck what he says or do, they'll follow him to the gates of Hell.

Nice try Hans. we can taste the tears from here

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sort of like the libcucks currently securing their place in hell?
so much butthurt here

Why are leafs such shitposters? 10x worse than what aussies used to be

The problem is that some people are not "high risk" they are "guaranteed liability".

We are long past the gates of hell, only Trump can lead us back to normality.

because their leader is a KEK
its all they know
zero national identity
zero culture aside from Tim Hortons and getting reamed by niggers in their bourgeois skyscraper apartments

You can't have this without the mandate though, or you'll have adverse selection drive premiums to insane levels

he is cherry picking the best parts of it you faggot.

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There you go, user.

Hello weakling

>dumbass leftists STILL haven't read the Art of the Deal
Demand the outrageous and then walk it back. He's going to get what he wanted all along. He's just making you think you're getting what you wanted.

>as well as the prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions

then that's not health insurance, what an idiot.

People want the pre-existing conditions clause, but they don't want to pay higher premiums and don't want to pay for healthcare until they need it.

I'll grab my popcorn and eagerly await how Republicans will "fix" this.

Perfect. Those are the two good parts of Obamacare. I really needed the first one because I became disabled when I was 24 and wasn't able to get back on my feet until I was 26.

I love Trump so much. He's never going to let us down, guys.

Good stuff

He already said he was keeping those provisions during his Gettysburg Address. I see no problem with this.

As long as it makes it cheaper I'm cool with whatever he does.

health insurance is not healthcare, it's just a pile of money.

for healthcare to become affordable, the supply of healthcare must increase.

Nice, it's real. Source:

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>Suddenly Sup Forums likes single-payer

What a twist.

Except they didn't die on the streets before Government Healthcare.

>Obamacare becomes Trumpcare

Idiots die on the street because they don't know that if you walk into an ER they have to treat you even if you can't pay.

He fucked the establishment. Most Trump supporters didn't actually believe he was going to build a giant flame-breathing wall and murder the ay-rabbs. We're not really complete lunatics who want a race war and SS death camps. We just think the word nigger and the butthurt it causes are funny. We think the liberals and the new "offended" generation aren't sensible, the "white privilege" meme is clearly racism. We want equality. The feminist and the BLM movement and liberals in general don't want equality, they want to better than. I think most people on this board would agree that we are just as the word is defined, conservative. We aren't really rabid racist hillbillies.

Except for the jews.Fuck the jews. GAS THE KIKES WHEN?

Here's a fact for you: the golden age of post-war USA was founded on SOCIALIST POLICIES. The middle-class of the 50s and 60s is what you all pine for, and it all went to shit from the 70s onwards; when the plutocrats began rolling it back.

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nobody is getting any fucking healthcare if there isn't any.

Venezuela had free healthcare, now look at it. It's still free, but there none!

The supply of healthcare must grow organically in a free market system with no taxation and only vital regulation. Otherwise there will never be enough to go around.

>We're not robbing from the rich and giving to the poor... no.
>We're robbing from EVERYBODY and then giving to those government programs
hmm....

not feelin' the bern...

Sup Forums likes National Socialism, and you cant have that with the Socialism.

That said, he specifically said hes not going with single payer, despite having been for it years ago.

Are the arguments and platform he put forth in his book.

Autism talk

It's a meme because that's an Adolf Hitler quote.

Horse shit.

He's still repealing the ACA

Australia has free healthcare.

Well no shit retard, he changed his stance months ago to "reform" rather than "repeal"

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for.

>Trump is the Antichrist, I swear
Good Goyim.

It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.

We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.

We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism!

We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!

We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!

We are for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party!

Obviously not, they lost the election, didn't they?

Why a Workers’ Party?

Work is not mankind’s curse, but his blessing. A man becomes a man through labor. It elevates him, makes him great and aware, raises him above all other creatures. It is in the deepest sense creative, productive, and culture-producing. Without labor, no food. Without food, no life.

The idea that the dirtier one’s hands get, the more degrading the work, is a Jewish, not a German, idea. As in every other area, the German first asks how, then what. It is less a question of the position I fill, and more a question of how well I do the duty that God has given me.

We call ourselves a workers’ party because we want to rescue the word work from its current definition and give it back its original meaning. Anyone who creates value is a creator, that is, a worker. We refuse to distinguish kinds of work. Our only standard is whether the work serves the whole, or at least does not harm it, or if it is harmful. Work is service. If it works against the general welfare, then it is treason against the fatherland.

Marxist nonsense claimed to free labor, yet it degraded the work of its members and saw it as a curse and disgrace. It can hardly be our goal to abolish labor, but rather to give new meaning and content. The worker in a capitalist state — and that is his deepest misfortune — is no longer a living human being, a creator, a maker.

The way to fix healthcare is to privatize it outright and stop subsidizing the national programs of other nations. Costs would plummet.

you cant just delete the whole damn thing at once because you're going to fucking kill people

People think they don't need insurance because they're healthy, then they end up in the ER getting free care which raises the cost for everyone else paying into the system.

No conservatives, you are the freeloaders.

I already had these debates with Sup Forums in 2010 and frankly I'm too jaded to go through it all over again.

He has become a machine. A number, a cog in the machine without sense or understanding. He is alienated from what he produces. Labor is for him only a way to survive, not a path to higher blessings, not a joy, not something in which to take pride, or satisfaction, or encouragement, or a way to build character.

We are a workers’ party because we see in the coming battle between finance and labor the beginning and the end of the structure of the twentieth century. We are on the side of labor and against finance. Money is the measuring rod of liberalism, work and accomplishment that of the socialist state. The liberal asks: What are you? The socialist asks: Who are you? Worlds lie between.

We do not want to make everyone the same. Nor do we want levels in the population, high and low, above and below. The aristocracy of the coming state will be determined not by possessions or money, but only on the quality of one’s accomplishments. One earns merit through service. Men are distinguished by the results of their labor. That is the sure sign of the character and value of a person. The value of labor under socialism will be determined by its value to the state, to the whole community. Labor means creating value, not haggling over things. The soldier is a worker when he bears the sword to protect the national economy. The statesman also is a worker when he gives the nation a form and a will that help it to produce what it needs for life and freedom.

A furrowed brow is as much a sign of labor as a powerful fist. A white collar worker should not be ashamed to claim with pride that of which the manual laborer boasts: labor. The relations between these two groups determine their mutual fate. Neither can survive without the other, for both are members of an organism that they must together maintain if they are to defend and expand their right to exist.

We call ourselves a workers’ party because we want to free labor from the chains of capitalism and Marxism. In battling for Germany’s future, we freely admit to it, and accept the odium from the liberal bourgeoisie that results. We know that we will succeed in bringing new blessings out of their curses.

God gave the nations territory to grow grain. The seed becomes grain and the grain becomes bread. The middleman of it all is labor.

He who despises labor but accepts its benefits is a hypocrite.

That is the deepest meaning of our movement: it gives things back their original significance, unconcerned that today they may be in danger of sinking into the swamp of a collapsing worldview.

He who creates value works, and is a worker. A movement that wants to free labor is a workers’ party.

Therefore we National Socialists call ourselves a worker’s party.

When our victorious flags fly before us, we sing:

“We are the army of the swastika,
Raise high the red flags!
We want to clear the way to freedom
For German Labor!”

Why Do We Oppose the Jews?

We oppose the Jews because we are defending the freedom of the German people. The Jew is the cause and beneficiary of our slavery He has misused the social misery of the broad masses to deepen the dreadful split between the right and left of our people, to divide Germany into two halves thereby concealing the true reason for the loss of the Great War and falsifying the nature of the revolution.

The Jew has no interest in solving the German question. He cannot have such an interest. He depends on it remaining unsolved. If the German people formed a united community and won back its freedom, there would be no place any longer for the Jew. His hand is strongest when a people lives in domestic and international slavery, not when it is free, industrious, self-aware and determined. The Jew caused our problems, and lives from them.

That is why we oppose the Jew as nationalists and as socialists. He has ruined our race, corrupted our morals, hollowed out our customs and broken our strength. We owe it to him that we today are the Pariah of the world. He was the leper among as long as we were German. When we forgot our German nature, he triumphed over us and our future.

The Jew is the plastic demon of decomposition. Where he finds filth and decay, he surfaces and begins his butcher’s work among the nations. He hides behind a mask and presents himself as a friend to his victims, and before they know it he has broken their neck.

The Jew is uncreative. He produces nothing, he only haggles with products. With rags, clothing, pictures, jewels, grain, stocks, cures, peoples and states. He has somehow stolen everything he deals in. When he attacks a state he is a revolutionary. As soon as he holds power, he preaches peace and order so that he can devour his conquests in comfort.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with socialism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with socialism? Socialism has to do with labor. When did one ever see him working instead of plundering, stealing and living from the sweat of others? As socialists we are opponents of the Jews because we see in the Hebrews the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with nationalism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with nationalism? Nationalism has to do with blood and race. The Jew is the enemy and destroyer of the purity of blood, the conscious destroyer of our race. As nationalists we oppose the Jews because we see the Hebrews as the eternal enemy of our national honor and of our national freedom.

But the Jew, after all, is also a human being. Certainly, none of us doubts that. We only doubt that he is a decent human being. He does not get along with us. He lives by other laws than we do. The fact that he is a human being is not sufficient reason for us to allow him to subject us in inhumane ways. He may be a human being — but what kind of a human being is he! If someone slaps your mother in the face, do you say: “Thank you! He is after all a human being!” That is not a human being, it is a monster. Yet how much worse has the Jew done to our mother Germany, and is still doing today!

Those are good things to prevent jewing. The individual mandate was the shitty tradeoff to get insurance jews to go along with it.

There are also white Jews. True, there are scoundrels among us, even though they are Germans, who act in immoral ways against their own racial and blood comrades. But why do we call them white Jews? You use the term to describe something inferior and contemptible. Just as we do. Why do you ask us why we oppose the Jews when you without knowing it are one too?

Anti-Semitism is not Christian. That means that it is Christian to allow the Jews to go on as they are, stripping the skin from our bodies and mocking us. To be a Christian means to love one’s neighbor as oneself! My neighbor is my racial and blood brother. If I love him, I have to hate his enemies. He who thinks German must despise the Jews. The one requires the other.

Christ himself saw that love did not always work. When he found the moneychangers in the temple, he did not say: “Children, love one another!” He took up a whip and drove them out.

We oppose the Jews because we affirm the German people. The Jew is our greatest misfortune.

It is not true that we eat Jews for breakfast.

It is true that slowly but surely, he is stealing all that we have.

Things would be different if we behaved as Germans.

Gosh, those are the only two things that really mattered regarding the ACA.

Maybe he's not a terrible monster who eats pan-black queer muslim transsexual babies for breakfast after all.

It's mostly unemployed city dwellers that do this, faglord.

Okay. As long as he reinstroduces a competitive market, everything will be fine. And if there is competition, no insurer will care if a kid stays on the plan after 26.

Germans are really butthurt over Trump's win. orca100 was totally right about them.

Based Trump. Glad to hear he's going to be reasonable and not an edgy "kill all the dem shit xD" contrarian.

Honestly the American people don't realize they've elected a moderate sheep in wolf's clothing. He'll be tough on immigration and """"""hopefully"""""" on lobbyists in Washington, but we'll see how it turns out.

Honestly, healthcare was inevitably going to be restructured in America in light of recent technological developments. It will take us a few tries to perfect it.