Racism

In an argument at the moment. I asked how is trump racist, I got no real answer.

Sup Forums how is Trump racist again? what has he said, what has he done, where's the facts?

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-he killed a black man when he was a teenager
-he kicked all black workers and customers off his casino floor for bants with his mafia friend
-he attacked Jeb! for having an ugly mexican wife
-leaked footage of him on the campaign trail showed him saying he can "grab 'em by the toe" referring to niggers, although he did concede he would let them go if they hollered.

racism these days mean anything these days, other the some ppl disagree with what he said. For example dividing people by citizenship is seen as racist in more progressive circles.

So you have to ask about both statement and the corresponding definition of racism.

If he's not racist, then what hope do we have of him putting the interests of white people first?

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Is he our guy Sup Forums?

He doesn't have a POC wife. It's all been white females (if you can call Slavs white)

So he is also homophobe due to marrying women exclusively?

Liberal logic for you.

Though they never made that connection about homophobia because it's a step too far

kek one of the greatest sources of humour in my life is when Sup Forums champions ideas and people that normies are using to illustrate reprehensibility and vileness

Now that you said it, I remember reading an 'arguement' like that with lookism, i.e. fat and ugly women.


Did not go over to ugly men and beautiful women, of course.

Every Republican is a racist. That's how the Democrats are able to hold on to the minority vote so well. Hell, even Mitt "King Cuck" Romney was called a racist, sexist bigot.

you have to understand that the american left has worked hard to equate white (men in particular) with racist over the last decade. So in a brainwashed mind, anyone who even speaks positively about white men is the same as a racist

consequently this is exactly why they lost the rust belt vote

I'm not following you.

Did they actually try to say if you only date beautiful women you're a "look"ist ?

yes

He hasn't said anything to make him racist.

He has implied that mexico has no problem sending their criminals to the US, and that a racist judge might be biased against him.

He wanted 5 innocent black kids dead for raping some girl in some park somewhere once.

He wanted 5 innocent black kids dead for raping some girl in some park somewhere once.

>>Ask a "friend" how he is sexist:
>>Said he says alot of sexist shit
>> Ask him to name one
>> Can't do it and he keeps saying that
>> Ask him to name one again
>> Can't
>> Tell him so he isn't then
>> He gets mad and leaves

He wanted 5 innocent black kids dead for raping some girl in some park somewhere once.

Because Muslims says so, you bigot. To paraphrase Louis CK, it's not up to you to decide if you're an asshole, it is the people around you that do.

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Because Luggenpresse, thats why

Your mistake here was accepting the leftist assertion that "racism" is bad and thereby allowing them to set the terms of debate and assume the moral high ground.

If someone calls Trump a racist, your reply should be "so what"?

Trump came into my house and executed my entire hispanic family. Who will pay to clean up the mess?

Mexico

The only explicitly racist thing Trump has done is the "C" for colored apartment renters. That is blatant racism.

Pseudo-racism: Back in the day he asked for the death penalty for the Central Park 5- a group of 5 teenage black kids who were accused, arrested and coerced into admitting guilt to raping and murdering a woman in central park. Back then Trump with little or no evidence called for the death penalty in multiple newspaper ads.
>Again, little or no evidence of guilt known by Trump or anyone else at the time that Trump champion the death penalty.
In court they were STILL found guilty despite there not being very much evidence, and they were thrown in jail. Several years later DNA evidence exonerated ALL of them, proving that their confessions were coerced. NY in exchange for accidentally ruining their lives by falsely imprisoning them paid them millions of dollars.

In recent months when reporters asked Donald about these kids and the fact he could have encouraged killing 5 innocent black teens he refused to apologize or acknowledge the situation at all.

And you wonder why minorities are concerned?

> the "C" for colored apartment renters

Facts are racist, there is money in gentrification because even libshit are willing to pay higher rent just not to live around niggers. I wouldn't hold it against him to keep track of the ethnicity f his tenants, that's just good business.

> Trump with little or no evidence called for the death penalty

He was talking shit, he had no power to weigh in on their sentence. I wouldn't hold that against him either.

Besides, that presumption of guilt didn't come out of nowhere. Groups of black teenagers wouldn't have such a shit reputation if they didn't behave like fucking animals.

> "C" for colored
I don't disagree that the "C" for colored apartment renters is not good business. It is still racist and illegal. He was sued and settled the case out of court.

He did it, it was illegal, and the only reason he was not in trouble for it is that he had enough money to get out of it.

>Central Park Five
He did not have actual 1 to 1 power over it whether or not they got the death penalty. But had he pushed hard enough it could have influenced.

Also, as a human. Just because you might have a bad reputation NOBODY deserves to be in jail for 15 years for something they did not do. They were children who were tricked into losing 15 years of their lives. They had no lawyers or parents present when they confessed and they were just teenagers.

>Trump's Links to Racism
Also, David Duke, the KKK, and White Nationalist groups large and small (from Stormfront, to the Daily Stormer, to ThaRightStuff.biz, to The Traditionalist Workers Party, to the Aryan Nationalist Alliance) ALL support Donald Trump and believe he is one of the first steps to an ALL WHITE AMERICA.

When asked about the David Duke endorsement, Trump initially tap danced around it saying "I can't disavow because I don't know who that is". When the subject was revisited he disavowed only Duke, but in a very kinda blow off manner.

Currently with millennials and minorities feeling uncomfortable about some of Trump's race relation stances it is incredibly frustrating (this is one of the major reasons they are protesting)

However conservative media (from Fox News to Breitbart) are all spinning the narrative to being "these millennials and minorities are just mad because Hillary lost...oh and look now they are being violent"

TL;DR- Trump isnt super racist, maybe he is just a little bit racist...which I would personally take. But some (NOT ALL) of his supporters are EXTREMELY racist, hostile and active.

Walls are racist.

>what has he done
Discriminated against blacks in his housing projects.

Trump disavowed the KKK and David Duke multiple times. They just kept asking him to do it over and over until he didn't hear them properly once and glossed over it. Clinton actually had a mentor who was KKK and never disavowed. This whole meme needs to die.

In this day and age, almost anyone could get a discrimination lawsuit. I just don't get the impression Trump gives a fuck about race, not anymore than most people his age anyway.

Undeniably, white nationalists wanted him to win but they see him as a vehicle, an opportunity to repel some of the multicultural bullshit that has taken root and not one of their own. Libshits are going to freak out whatever he does but anyone there legally needs to chill out, they'll be fine.

But if the SocJus people are going to blame anyone for the rise in white nationalism, they need to blame themselves. They were the ones that brought up the identity politics, many of us didn't really care about race until they started shoving it down our throat and literally call for the extinction of white men.

>Kept asking them to do it over and over until he didn't hear them properly.

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The official "disavowment", did he disavow? Yes. Was it convincing...you be the judge. But if he says he disavows Duke. I'll take him at his word.

But that still leaves a myriad of others "hate groups" that Trump has not mentioned. Stormfront has been around for AGES, Daily Stormer- mostly trolls but are pretty hateful and excited along with the Alt-Right/NewRight in general who believe this is the beginning of an All White America.

But the Aryan Nationalist Alliance is LEGIT- 10+ smaller hate groups combined to make one super hate group with political aspirations. Matthew Heimbach is their leader, and he was one of the guys seen on video pushing over and yelling at a black woman at a Trump Rally.

All of these people are still alive, active and are actively working towards an all white America.

CLINTON KKK MENTOR
- Yes, thats semi true. Robert Byrd was a career US Senator/House Rep starting in 1952. He was a career politician for 50+ years til his death. And while in Senate made friends with Clinton and at one point she praised him and called him a mentor of hers while she was in the Senate.

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It's also true that Robert Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s and helped establish the hate group's chapter in Sophia, West Virginia. However, in 1952 Byrd avowed that "After about a year, I became disinterested [in the KKK], quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization," and throughout his long political career (he served for 57 years in the United States Congress) he repeatedly apologized for his involvement with the KKK:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

It's also worth noting that for the rental case anons are reffering to, it was 1972, Trump was 27, and his father was CEO.

On the other hand, in the 90's, Trump actively fought with rich WASPS to let black and jewish people in to his golf resort at Mar-a-Lago, even flat out suing over the issue.

I would bet that his overwhelming interest is in what makes him money. His properties tend to be catering to the mega rich. If that means catering to oil barons, or taiwanese moguls, he'll do it. If it means keeping the shwartzes away from his rich jewish tenants, he'll figure a way.

For the latter half of that, if that's the standard of evidence, then Hillary is a black supremacist, and a klan member.

Is it the problem of a candidate to disavow every single radical group by name? He disavowed the most well known, has spoken against racism, has spoken in favor of racial minorities, and much more. Seems like a double standard.

Why didn't Clinton disavow the hardcore communists (Maoists, Stalinists) that praise her, or other radical leftist groups? (I don't think she should have had to either.)

I'm asking you to be open minded. So please just consider the following.

It is a fact that currently most of the crime in America is done by black men. No arguement.

But the same way that all white people aren't White Supremacist; not all black men are criminal. It works almost the same way.

(Don't flame me for this) Yes slavery was a thing, yes it was a long time ago. But black people were not on "equal footing" rights wise until 1968.

NOTE: White guilt sucks. White people should not feel guilt for the Holocaust. White people should not feel guilt for slavery. It happened and we have to understand, accept it and move on.

But wouldn't it make sense that while the old timey white people were advancing while blacks were doing their slave chore, then lagging behind educationally up until now that a large amount of blacks will be behind?

Granted it does NOT excuse "Gibsmedat", it does NOT excuse having multiple babies mommas, and it does not excuse chimp out. It just would logically make sense that essentially white people started this marathon years before black people left the starting blocks so of course they are going to be behind.

With there being some relatively distant connections (but still connections none the less) with alot of White Extremists who want ALL minorites (and jews) out of their country...doesnt it make SOME sense that there is SOME fear?

I know Hillary was not a good person. Hell, I'm Haitian-American and her foundation constantly dicked over Haiti. But she only had 1 connection to extreme minority hate..and he is dead.

Trump has live of active White Nationalist who support him. The KKK is throwing a Trump victory parade in a few weeks. Thats a bit concerning.

Also, when these visible connections in plain sight by calling our fears "crazy or shoving it down your throat" It makes us feel like we have nobody supporting us.

PS- Trayvon was an idiot, and BLM is stupid for being violent.

Like I said. I dont really think Trump is racist. I don't hate the guy and I think that the #NotMyPresident thing is really toxic.

But go on twitter and there are regular and consistent hashtags for White Nationalism like #WhiteGenocide #1488 and multiple podcast networks dedicated to White Supremacy.

the_donald has been the most popular subreddit this election season and is tied pretty closely to the "alt right" which is explicitly White Nationalism but with a political name. Hell the Alt Right sub got pissed off at the_donald because they allowed LGBT, minorities and jews.

It got so serious that Hillary mentioned the Alt Right by name, and the Alt Right LOVED IT- it validated them...and they are growing.

Look, I love white people. I love America. I worked hard got through college, grad school and am trying to be the first person in my family to set up a lineage of good contributing black people to this society with my name.

I know the White Supremacist say that they want "a future for white children"...I just want to see my grandkids get to love America the same way I do and contribute even more to America in a positive way like I do. And I want a President who'll make sure America stay on that track.

I'm sorry to bother you all...Thanks for your time and I hope you legitimately consider my words.

Lol I have the same issue, when nobody responds to you, it means they know it's the truth and don't know how to respond to you.

By that logic (which I generally agree with) Whites actually have more of a head start, going back to the middle ages or perhaps before, and a fair amount of "white" civilization was inherited from the Romans and Ancient Greeks. I think the concept of white privilege is bullshit, but generational wealth is certainly a thing. Whites have had a huge head start. This should not be held against them.

I don't think people hold it against blacks for being behind. Even real racists don't think of it that way from what I can tell. It seems that most racism is really just tribalism, which is biologically rooted and much stronger in certain groups (check out Albion's seed and read about the Borderers that our modern rednecks are descended from. They were literally bred for ingroup preference and xenophobia by hundreds of years of war. Should we hold that against them, or just leave them alone?)

Trump does have more White Supremacists supporting him, and I can see how that would make people uneasy. But I would argue that a) while these groups make excellent bogeymen, there are not actually all that many people involved, and they don't have much political power and b) there's still nothing to suggest that Trump supports them. I don't buy the theory that he's been secretly tipping his hat to them in his rhetoric. If he was a white supremacist, he'd be blatant about it like he is about everything else.

White supremacists are small in number. It's their ideas that are toxic. So as long as their ideas are not promoted by Trump, I hope people can be content and not continue the current hysteria. Because we do support you.

Something to note is that there is a difference, and a distinction should be drawn, between white supremacists and white nationalists. I don't consider myself to be on the alt right, but I know a lot of people who are. There's a lot of people who are white nationalists that have nothing against other races and do not consider themselves superior, nor do they seek supremacy. But they are concerned about demographics and the lack of whites being allowed an ethnostate of their own (everyone else is). This wasn't a problem before the current migrant crisis in europe coupled with declining birthrates. So they are 14's but not 88's so to speak.

I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be concerned or desire to have a white ethnostate. But it shouldn't be the United States, and it should be done peacefully.

I'm not saying minorities shouldn't be concerned with current changes, they have every right to be especially when Trump has been portrayed as literally Hitler. I'm saying he is not literally Hitler and won't suddenly bring back slavery of some shit.

There is a looney fringe to white nationalism but most pro-white people would be happy with him getting immigration under control, reversing or slowing down the demographic decline of whites and deporting a bunch of illegals that did not earn the right to live there.

But I do agree there he should signal law abiding minorities that they have nothing to worry about. Maybe even get a few based black people in his government.

I think he's savvy enough to do just that, if only to deflect accusation of racism. in fact, I'm confident many blacks will love him after a while.

First and foremost, thank you so much. Your post is so fucking reasonable, I can't tell you how much it means.

There was just a ton going on in the election, and there is a lot of jockeying for position in the political universe. Throughout the election Trump has said the "Mainstream Media" is unfairly biased and rigged and suggested people turn to the internet for news.

CNN, MSNBC have all been seen as middle of the road to slightly leaning left. While Fox News is pretty much smack dab in the middle of the right. Trump has de-legitimized those traditional news sources. Leaving very few "believeable" middle of the road sources. Since every one generally only wants to hear from their own side Breitbart is pretty much the top dog for online right leaning news and Breitbart is literally on Trump's short list for his White House staff. Go to their website and it is practically 100% right leaning.

I know that the winners dictate what history is remembered...but now the winners might start to dictate what news is considered legit. When there are race relation stories (and their are), its is commonly the minority who is in the wrong on their website or minority concerns being devalued.

> See the fake assaulted hijab girl story on breitbart & Fox
> See the Black teens chimp out against old man Trump supporter
>Only showing the violent riot Trump protest, where most of them are just a nuisance at best

I hate that black people do most of the crime. I'm a prosecutor and it pisses me off that they are making me look bad and legitimizes white people feeling like we are ALL sub human.


Admittedly you guys do liberally use the Nword and say some pretty twisted stuff about black people here. And thats OK, because thats what Sup Forums is about. But this stuff is NOT OK IRL

I just want to be equal to you guys is all. I want my grand kids to be equal to yours. I don't want this Administration to move backwards & blacks falling further behind

No problem. I think you'll find that when it boils down to it, most folks are pretty reasonable about this stuff as soon as people stop pressuring them (which I guess is how pretty much everyone is about anything.)

Media is a big problem. I am personally a fan of Breitbart, but I don't consider them neutral or be all end all. I like that they push back, but I recognize that it IS push back, and shouldn't be taken as the be all end all. I hope that one day we won't need push back.

I think a lot of this discussion normally breaks down because it starts and ends with race. Personally, I am more concerned with civilization. I dislike the Left (and their media) because it seems they are following principals that are leading us towards third worldism, so are anti civilization. I dislike lots of black culture, and can see why people get angry and use the n-word, because so much of it is anti-civilization. I think that civilization is pretty great, and that white people should get to take a lot of credit for it, and that our primary purpose should be to keep building it (I'm an engineer, and I mean build in the literal sense, not the progressive sense.)

If people talked about these things in terms of civilization, or tribalism as I mentioned before, then I think people would much better understand all the complaints that end up looking like racism, but aren't really, and certainly have nothing to do with skin color or even genetic differences (for those who believe in them) and everything to do with people's willingness to work together and build. The Left's identity politics are a huge barrier to this though, as they are essentially limiting the discussion to their Marxist lens, which kills it. Take away marxist crap breaking people down into groups and pitting them against each other, and we can solve most of these problems pretty fast. Or at least identify what the real problems are and learn to not give each other shit over them.

Also, as a civilizationalist, I don't think you should worry about being "equal" to us. From the sounds of it, you're accomplishing far more than the average white shit poster. Don't let lower statistical averages across your racial demographic undermine your accomplishments as an individual. It sounds like you've got your shit together, and you're surviving the clusterfuck that is Sup Forums, so give yourself a pat on the back and proudly rate yourself better than most out there.

Said he'd create jobs for blacks. Left spun it to be racist as fuck because that would destroy part of the population they can count at every election

Thank you guys for being reasonable with this conversation. Its the first time in days I haven't felt like I am a crazy person.

>I dont think its unreasonable for them to be concerned or desire to have a white ethnostate. But it shouldnt be in the United States, and it should be done peacefully.

100% agree. I'd help out as much or as little as they wanted if thats the situation.

Again, with race relations not being perfect in the US the 14's alone can be a bit jarring since its not always clear on HOW they want to do it. Additionally for the most part I've always seen 1488- and with that you KNOW there is no neutrality towards minorities.

I agree and am OK with all of this. I want to love Trump. I think the idea of MAGA is great. It should bring everyone closer together, and make them accountable for their actions and contributions to society. [Although the "again" part of MAGA is questionable for alot of group...we'd all let it slide if this Administration is good]

If he did everything you said, it would be absolutely fine.

This election has left everything feeling tainted and nobody is sure what exactly is tainted and what was just spin/hype to help the campaign. Everyone is saying everything is broken, and minorities, lgbt, muslims already were in bad shape (not that they were/are victims...but that we are still trying to sort out how things work to make everyone happy in our everyday lives)

Its just that 2 days in there has been a TON going on and everyone remaining on separate teams as it were, while yelling at them that they are wrong.

The fake "Trump Supporters attacked me" are infuriating and these people are scum.

The actual "Black kids attack Old Trump Supporter" makes me so mad it hurts. I want them serving time, but for the media not to hold it against all minorities.

We're ALL Team Trump now, we need to start acting like it.

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Slavs are the supreme example of the white race and I do not blame Trump for having Slavic wives as they are the best looking women in the world. Why am I discussing whiteness with an asian jungle nigger anyway?

I'm 100% sure that the vast majority of whites do not want to harm black people in any way. Anyone who suggest that (and it's always leftists/liberals who do that) is a race baiting shill with a political agenda.

However, there ARE whites who would rather not live with blacks if given the chance. This is a fact and it's a bit hard to accept so people don't talk about it, outside of "extreme right" groups (which are often full of retard skinheads and Naziboos).

I'm sure most white Americans realize that realistically the US will never be white only and are OK with that and just want to move on and live peacefully.
Those that don't accept that should look at building white only countries somewhere else (Europe).

Internet news rivaling TV/Cable news is a pretty new thing. There are so many shades of gray its hard to tell what is what. I didn't know Breitbart was specifically "push back", I was under the impression it was meant to be considered a neutral end all be all. I guess it is going to be hard to find a neutral one stop shop nowadays.

A lot of stuff changed, seemingly very quick, and with everything being attached to a group/team it almost inherently pits people against each other.

All the respect to the civilization builders in the literal sense. Facts aren't racist- so yes white people should get to take alot of credit for it. No questions and keep up the great work. If you are public sector please take my tax dollars.

>Left Spun
Key words...I feel like there was ALOT of spin and gaslighting this election. Once Trump stopped talking about the wall (which I kinda hope he doesn't build just for the physical and financial strain...but PLEASE address illegal Mexican immigration), and changed Muslim Ban (too radical) to Extreme Vetting (sounds OK)...it all sounds pretty palatable.

Left, Right, AltRight, Populist, Nationalist, Progressive...the political landscape has become far more diverse (no pun intended) and part of the difficult has been that there is so much going on this election season it is difficult to get a grasp of.

I get my Left perspective from facebook (most friends are lefties and share lots of stuff), my right right perspective from Breitbart, then various youtoubers for non-user opinions and fact checking, and Sup Forums for unfiltered. Seems to work out okay, but I'm a recovering lefty so I don't mind if I'm a bit more biased to the right at the moment. It's very time consuming to get a neutral opinion. This is a problem. Lack of neutral media sources that you can use for a single stop is part of why things have gotten this polarized (amplified by social media algorithms and media incentives creating echo chambers.)

The more info we have, the more time we have to spend sorting the noise vs signal. It may not be feasible to fix our media per se, but if we can fix the actual atomization and break down of community in our society, then we won't need to solve the problem of biased media because it won't be trying to play us against each other anymore. The best strategy seems to be to find a good community and unplug from the mainstream as much as possible. You may end up taking on some of your communities biases, but that is a small price to pay.

What's interesting is that the major groups who are interested in rebuilding community and ending social atomization are mainly....in the alt right or religious. The Left has its head firmly in the sand and can't understand why the last two generations are struggling to get anywhere in life, and have such large amounts of crippling emotional problems and lack of direction. The Alt Right are working on a solution because they've got their backs against the wall in the culture war and are trying to tunnel their way out.

I suspect that if we want things to work out peacefully in the future and not turn into some sort of 1984 Neo-Communist vs alt right vs third world groups dystopia, then we need more moderate people to get on board with the community stuff the alt right is starting, but without the white supremacy.

Don't totally dismiss Hillary supporters who are sad or scared. Trump is not Hitler, but the boogeymen on his side are real and they are loud and have not really been addressed. I am a grown man with a grad degree and it took me coming to Sup Forums for several days until I could have a decent conversation to get everything sorted out. Most people wont so give them a break while they are wrapping their heads around all that happened- they lost and there is ALOT to process.

Protests are OK as long as they are reasonable, non destructive and non violent. BLM and Portland are bad examples, and NotMyPresident has an impossible and toxic goal in mind.

There are alot stories of poor race relations out there right now since that was a cornerstone of this election.

Some will be fake, some will be real. I hope you'll exercise reasonably.