Sup Forumsitical Strategy Talk: What happens to the Democratic Party?

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TLNR:
1. The Republicans are dominating Democrats at every level of government right now (state and federal).

2. Average age of Democratic politicians is higher than Republicans

3. No real bench for the 2020 election. People are bringing up Elizabeth Warren and Tim Kaine as candidates. Total failure.

4. Big splits growing between Prog/SJW wing and """"Moderate"""" wing of the Democratic Party.

QUESTION: What is the future of the Democratic Party?

I think if they keep going the progressive direction (socially and fiscally) they'll cease to be a party in the future. I don't even think the two wings can be united anymore as the SJWs are insane.

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Dems will convince themselves that violence is the only way to get anything done (especially once they lose the courts).

The media will be very sympathetic to the violent dems.

Law and Order with reign supreme.

I'll never count any party out but they're going to have to dial down the identity politics. Their Millennial SJW army is only going to get more conservative as they get older. Focus purely on economic outreach.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they double down on the identity politics tbqh. Millennials aren't going away and they thrive on feeling oppressed and boy are they feeling oppressed right now, literally Trump gives their life meaning.

That said I doubt that the Democrats will touch a candidate that the millennials will back next time around but they're in the same position as Labour over here: they have nobody anyone knows or who seems remotely good and isn't also a coffin dodger.

A lot can happen in four years though.

the SJW wing of the party is what's really crippling them. the SJWs serve as an Honor Brigade shouting down any dissent within the party.

democrats have lost the ability to self reflect or accept criticism. they can't even formulate a decent arguement anymore.

it's just corpse being propped up by the media these days. unless the cuckservatives detrail Trumpism I don't see the dems being back in power for a long time.

I'll keep my posts brief because everytime I write one of my essays the thread gets archived.

The "winner" of the Democratic Party is the faction that can find itself reappealing to Rural Areas. Neither the Sanders faction nor the Clinton faction is really prepared to make the kinds of concessions necessary to retake places like West Virginia or Missouri. So this entire inter-party conflict is effectively futile because the winner cannot change the long term direction of the party.

In the future, though, there will be opportunity for the Democratic party, but only if it realigns itself into something entirely different than what the Clinton wing or the Sanders Wing wants the Democrats to be.

>This entire post of bullshit.
Democrats need to get back to the New Deal roots and if anything ,the progressive wing needs to wage a full on civil war against the Conservative block that has been running the party for the past 25 years pushing it further and further to the right.

Remember Trump shills who are paid in hot pockets. Trump won not because he got a surge of support, but because Clinton Collapsed. If Sanders had run in place of Clinton. He'd had easily have taken states like normally blue states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania with his economic populism message. Before you call bullshit, look at the data, people hated the status quo because the economic growth only benefited the wealthy elites and Clinton represented that so they either stayed home of voted for Trump as a way to rebuke the corrupt system that favors the rich over the actual workers.


But yeah, try and make shit up that the dems need to go even further to the right than they already have when that's exactly what cost them the election.

That's a complete waste of time when all the democrats need to do to secure victory is consolidate their current base. If Clinton had Obama's turn out for either of his two elections, she would have won. Don't waste time of shit that doesn't matter in the end like West Virginia and fish for votes where none exist. Get a net and start going to areas you know the votes are in order to get those.

>That's a complete waste of time when all the democrats need to do to secure victory is consolidate their current base. If Clinton had Obama's turn out for either of his two elections, she would have won. Don't waste time of shit that doesn't matter in the end like West Virginia and fish for votes where none exist. Get a net and start going to areas you know the votes are in order to get those.

The problem of that logic is

>You'll never gain control of any of the state legislatures.
>You'll inevitably lose control of the Midwest, thus breaking the blue firewall.
>You'll inevitably lose control of the US Senate.
>You'll inevitably lose control of the US House.
>You'll then inevitably lose control of the Supreme Court
>And if all that isn't enough, you may very well divide the nation into something much worse than it is right now.

It wasn't just the lack of turnout that brought down Clinton, by the way. There was a geninune collapse of Northern Worker votes which delivered a ridiculous amount of EVs to Trump. Had the Upper Midwest never broken for Trump, then Trump still would've lost, even with Ohio and Florida.

>3. No real bench for the 2020 election. People are bringing up Elizabeth Warren and Tim Kaine as candidates. Total failure.
Tulsi Gabbard

Especially since she's one of those dems that hates the way DNC operates, so if the Dem establishment will go down in flames, she has quite clear path to nomination thanks to being:
>woman
>non-white
>veteran
>non-christian
>young(especially important if Trump will run for second term - 74 years old guy vs 39 years old woman, guess who's going to look better in a debate)

Literally all they have to do is wait another 15-20 years until older whites have died off and the electorate is 50% white and the rest millennials and non-whites.

The republicans are still absolutely fucked in the future due to demographics, winning this time doesn't really change that.

Millennials and shitskins will hand America to the Democrats on a permanent basis in another 20 years.

>What is the future of the Democratic Party?

RICO investigations.

Do you understand how big a red pill that trump will drop? It will convert millenials

>Oh look another prog Dem who has no self-awareness.

You're an idiot if you believe the SJW wing of the party needs to dominate it even more, especially considering you already do. Sanders was a progressive candidate and Hillary ended up just parroting everything he said.

The meme that Sanders would have won needs to die and reminds me of the Ron Paul vs. Obama one. He is far too left economically for the majority of America. You also forget that women were a big boost for Clinton, you wouldn't have had that with him as a candidate at all.

But yes, let's see how your full Elizabeth Warren party does against the mainstream of America.

Who will be the next chairman of the DNC? So far I have only seen three possible candidates being floated for the job.

Keith Ellison (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison) - This would clearly be a play to satiate BLM and meet the diversity quota. As a black "muslim" he will help to further alienate the white voter the Democrats lost in the election.

Howard Dean (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean) - He was the DNC chairman from 2005-2009 and was succeeded by Tim Kaine. He is white so the BLM crowd who not listen to anything he says and is too establishment for many of the Bernie crowd.

Steve Israel (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Israel) - Clearly, he would be the best choice if the DNC just wants their shit fucked up. BLM and all of the minority groups will NEVER take orders from a Jew unless they are being paid (Soros). Obviously, a white skinned jew will not get past the diversity squad so not very likely to be elected.

Underrated boat

Its going to take more than 4 years, so Trump is likely safe for the usual 2 terms.

The Dems will find someone eventually though. The progressives are like their Tea Party. The fringe group being loud and obnoxious that colours people's opinion of the rest of the party. Eventually they'll shut them out and find a moderate with some charisma, and meet the new pendulum swing in the middle and start this all over again.

And it won't be Bernie. Millenials love him. but he is an extremist. Probably they'll run someone unknown and without much chance in 2020, then run a real candidate in 2024.

This shit goes in cycles. It just feels different this time because the left usually doesn't get quite this psycho.

White ones yes, but huge numbers of millennials are not-white.

It may well be that 8 years of Trump will be the last time Republicans can win. Unless Trump does something to reverse the demographic change.

The problem is that billionaires want the SJW movement to take hold. If Dems unanimously decide that both are wastes of time then we'll REALLY see some improvement

THIS is 1000% true.

WHITE America and Europe are doomed, unless they can RADICALLY reverse the tidal wave of shitskins pouring into their regions.

Would also help save America if they could somehow break off Cuckifonia and make it an independent country. The loss of those 55 electoral votes would cuck libtards forever. The rest of the 49 states would then stay red forever.

I doubt he will. Notice his relaxed demeanor. He's strapped into the chair for four years, he's going to take it slow. He will do what he can economically but culturally he is secluded. Plus the effects of reducing immigration will not be felt in four or even eight years. The hatred for Trump and his isolationist, closed border policies will still be felt and I fear the left will bounce back more ravenous than ever after his term

The problem is those rural workers are drinking the republican kool aid that unions are bad and fucking themselves over because of misguided principles. What's the Matter with Kansas except this time the other side has solutions that are equally bad, if not worse. In the case of the Appalachians, you're going to have to drag those fuckers in the coal mining industry into the 21st century and get them to invest in other
forms of energy.

Also if you think Sanders would have lost too, you're an utter retard who didn't look at the data of what influenced voters the most and previous election cycles where Republicans numbers remained static and it was the Democrats who had their numbers nose dive since they'd rather see the world burn with Trump rather than keep the corrupt system afloat for a few more years. Like in 2008, it was an upstart rebellion against the system, but this time around the system rigged the game so they'd win. But the one thing that's lost on people, and you. Is that even the rebellion won, the system would have just followed him because they would not want the alternative of Trump. But the rebels would not want the system in power and so they didn't vote. The forced meme that Sander's economics are to far left really needs to die, especially when his polices overlap with Trump.

>Conflating gender politics with actual policies.
>Thinking Obama was a leftist when all he did was re-inflate the bubble where the rich got richer and gave zero support to the unions when Republicans were waging scorched earth against them.
If Trump fucks over the working class with the Republicans (Like repealing Obamacare, you just got 20 million dem voters.). which their polices will, because there economy is no where near as powerful as it was in the 1990s to survive their shit. All those people who bought into the Trump hype and aren't drones like yourself are quickly going to switch over to a true progressive like Sanders.

>If Trump fucks over the working class with the Republicans (Like repealing Obamacare, you just got 20 million dem voters.).
You do realise that Michigan and Wiscousin went Trump because they were one of the states that were hit the hardest by Obamacare collapsing?

Overall it's up to Trump to do a damn good job. Not only will he have to improve economy but he will have to spark a new cultural movement because progressivism is the new Renaissance

No matter what we do, remember that in 2013 the dems were saying the republican party was finished forever. By next year we'll control all three branches of the elected government, and our God-Emprah will be purging the ranks of the unelected agencies for their corruption.

Fortunes can shift, and shift fucking quickly. No one saw Trump coming.

Solidify the gains now and remain vigilant. Do not underestimate our opponents. Right up until November 8 the SJWs had our side afraid to honestly answer anonymous polls. We cannot get complacent and we cannot let hubris bring us down so shortly after it brought our opponents down.

Incorrent. The next generation of children are already right leaning, and will become more so as they get older.
Furthermore, the SJW craze is imploding as we speak. They are tearing eachother apart, primarily because they can't just get away with calling us racists anymore.

>Republicans control the legislator and Governorship of both states.
>They do everything in their power to sabotage Obamacare at the expense of their own constituents and local economy
>'It's Obama's fault!'
Stop acting retarded low rent Romania.

He's playing it smart by reigning on his promises to repeal Obamacare. (It's much to useful as a boogyman for the right.) and more importantly, he'd be pissing off 20 million poor people who will suddenly find motivation to vote in the mid terms.

And the absurdity of prosecuting Clinton (ignoring the fact the FBI clearly played politics in favor of Trump.). But that's more because it would open the door for future presidents to prosecute acts of previous administrations or their rival. Like what should have happened where Obama could have turned the Bush Administration over to The Hauge for their actions in Iraq.

Look at what the dem supporters are doing right now. Do you think the party can reel these people in? They are an out of control bronco that has bucked the the establishment dems.

Their party cannot reform like this. identity politics have consumed their party.

Remember what yuri bezmenov said? "It takes approximately 15 years to brainwash a country, because that's the time it takes to educate one generation of students".

Well guess what, that generation has been brainwashed already and they're going to continue making their grave deeper and deeper.

> because they can't just get away with calling us racists anymore
Technically that can and will call you a racist due to Trumps rhetoric and the groups that came out to support him during the election.

The real question is are you going to be butthut over being called out on being a racist, or are you going to own it?

>'It's Obama's fault!'
Yes, the system is fucked up. There's no single country on earth that tried something this fucking retarded as their public healthcare system, it's essentially cheap scheme for industrious insurance funds to gain tons of money that went to hell.

What about all the fags and gays that voted and supported Trump

(You)

Radicalization and attempted prog takeover.

They need to be destroyed ASAP

I'm so damn proud we can say that the left is dying.

When a child tells a lie, they do one of two things. They double down, and lie more, further digging themselves into a hole, or they admit what they did, and the recovery process can begin.

Unfortunately, the latter seems a long way away at this point in time. The further Trump's policies move to either the right, or represent dramatic change, it seems they will inevitably counter with more dramatic policies of their own.

Should a Trump presidency fail in the eyes of the public, a common enemy could push both wings of the party together and allow them victory at the next election. They still have a huge demographic advantage, and have cornered the market with representation in both regular and digital media.

It's too early to speculate on candidates, somebody could come out of nowhere. What will be interesting is to see if they can actually get enough people out to vote in midterm elections.

>it would open the door for future presidents to prosecute acts of previous administrations

Even though it could be abused, overall I think that is a glorious method to keep government rings in line

Well they have to do a lot of things now.

1. They need to reel those fucking SJWs in like goddamn crazy. The last 30 years of politics in the US has been constant appeasement of the far left, or "compromising" to make things only moderately left. While appeasing the the far left has worked incredibly well, the cost of doing so is becoming increasingly apparent, as it appears the most upcoming generation is looking increasingly conservative, and will only get more so with age.

2. They need to focus their appeal on white voters. Yes, minorities are becoming more and more prevalent, but the DNC fucking everything up enough to lose literally every branch of government when it started with all of them, and a big part of this is because they left the "majority" behind. Assuming the Trump presidency isn't a complete disaster, they'll need to bust ass to try to win back the minorities, and working class whites, who find that they suddenly aren't going to be lynched in a republican government.

3. For fucks sake, select a candidate who doesn't have a record of corruption longer than the Nile River. Even with all of the "media power" in your pocket, people aren't as retarded as they seem, and they WILL rebel against you JUST to see you lose if they hate you enough.

That's the BARE minimum they need to do to actually get another foothold in the next 4 years.

the burnouts were promoting some poo, tulsi gabbard or something?

idk about her shit though
regardless, even if she wins 2024, it'll be a real uphill climb for her since congress is probably solidly red by then

>You stil haven't addresssed how you are going to take state legislatures.
>You still haven't addressed how you are going to put the Blue Wall back together
>You still haven't explainied how you are going to take back the US Senate.
>You still haven't explained how you are going to take back the US House
>You still haven't explained how the SC is going to be blue
>And you've effectively divided the nation into two seperate entities.

Just because you and Thomas Frank don't know how to reach these people, doesn't mean that they can't be reached. It is stereotyping and a lack of imagination which plagues the Left and that is why they are the worse for it.

By the way, Macomb County has a 16 point swing, Stark county at a 18 point swing, and Monroe county had a fucking 55 point swing. The fact that the Dems take the White Working Class vote for granted is exactly how the Dems can win the Popular Vote and still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

This

>3.

We will see a whole new crop of candidates if they stray away from the corrupt politicians. Would be interesting to see. Trump was definitely a revolutionary election

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No shit the system is fucked up, it's because the Democrats have shifted so far to the right since Bill Clinton took power, that their first postiion wasn't 'We're going to have a single payer' and then use that as a way to at least get a public option. They started from the middle with their negotiations where it became a hand out for Insurance corporations. And the funny thing is insurance companies are losing money on Obaam care so they're opting tio just drop out of markets now. If the Democratic Party was run by actual liberals, Obama Care would be something great and not just what the Republicans pushed for health care reform in the early 1990s.

The real problem I see with the Hot Pocket Trump drones on Sup Forums and

Milo is not a plural.

>Could
It would and that's why no one dares to do it.
Hell the Republicans are breaking so many precedents in the past 20 decades because they believe it is their divine right to rule

>Democrats should act like New Dealers and not Republican-lite like they have for the past 25 years.
>Revive Howard Dean's 50 state strategy
>Stop running technocrats or at least make sure they have some charisma like Bill Clinton and Obama did.
>Republicans have already decided to split the country in half after the biblical butthurt of Nixon's impeachment.
George W and Obama are solid proof that unless you're reaching over to the other side with anything but a closed fist, you're wasting your time.

>racist due to Trumps rhetoric
What specifically did Trump say that is explicitly racist?

>I choose to interpret this as racist because that's he REALLY means

As the party continues to eat itself the social dems will increasing lean towards the libertarian party, the remaining commies will likely end up fusing with the greens.
Republicans might lose some people to the libertarians too as time goes on.
Tea party and cuckservative crowd are good candidates.
This will be a slow process but assuming the dems can't reinvent themselves to appeal to working class moderates
I would expect to see this within the next 20-30 years.

Meanwhile republicans will continue to win elections so long as they pursue the non interventionist, nationalist approach

>Fucking over 20 million people by dismantling program that has been a disaster and leading to 75% premium increases in multiple states.

That's ridiculous to hedge your argument on Obamacare. The mere fact that the States most affected by that bill swapped from Obama to Trump proves that it affects them in a negative way. County swings were seen throughout rust belt states.

In terms if economic populism, Sanders' messaging sounded no different from Clinton.
>the 1% are taking over everything
>more equality
Republicans can point directly to the Dem-controlled years of the Obama presidency that led to horrific spending, debt, Dodd-Frank and bailouts for the insurance companies under the lying guise of reform.

Your brand of liberalism seems so far gone. A fucking socialist ran for President. Those old systems are dead. Times have changed user

New Dealers were highly popular among Rural areas for a reason. The problem is that what you THINK a New Dealer is, isn't actually what a New Dealer WAS. And Bernie Sanders himself would not be counted as a "New Dealer," because the position of a New Dealer was "I'm going to improve the economy," not "I'm going to massively increase entitlement spending." That's why Trump was so dominant among rural voters. He convinced them that he was going to turn the economy around, and that's what rural voters want to hear first and foremost.

Also, it's bullshit that Obama didn't attempt to reach the other side with anything but accomdation. In fact, he fucked himself over accomodating too much back in 08. Bush OTOH was a peculiar force never to be repeated again in American politics.

Shit is only hopeless if you are committed to bad strategy. But then again, the vast majority of people are committed to bad strategy and that's why things become hopeless.

Giving a bump, great topic

The real key will be how serious the Republican party and Trump are to dealing a deathblow to the Democratic and globalist conspiracy to brown America.

Trump has stated he intends to get the citizenship of anchor babies revoked and rendered null. He wants to repeal the 1965 Immigration Act to go back to White only immigration. He is going to make it difficult for China to do business here [which will drive many Asians out of the US when they can't bilk it anymore]. People are going to be shocked at how many people are here illegally or gained their citizenship illegitimately.

I don't want to derail the thread, but why is immigration so encouraged, to the point that it's basically deified?

Brown people vote for the Democratic party, so they ship them in en mass. That's the long and the short of it. There are side benefits, like breaking labor and increasing the consumer base for large scale retailers.

Still waiting, leaf-in-hiding

I never thought I would be one to hate immigration, because on the surface it is humanitarian. But I oppose Democratically-approved immigration because they spin it as humanitarianism when they're plants for Dems

I don't think I'll ever be a bleeding heart again because of the bold-faced lie of the compassion they tout all day

They are breaking up.

They're fucked

They have a couple of generations of brainwashed kids left

Which will just push the moderate Dems to third party or Repubs

Hopefully, they die out and Trump names the Republican Party the ONLY party.

Nationalism forever!

Literally "why Trump won": the post

Only the 3rd is really necessary.

When it comes right down to it, Hillary Clinton is why the democucks lost this election.

Trump has said nothing racist

So, have fun with 8 years of Trump

Yeah. Someone on HRC's team mentioned in an email that most of America is illiterate. Assuming he was speaking in the context of politics, he was absolutely right. HRC took two stances, private and public, because she knew the People are now too dumb to distinguish between anything not black-and-white

You guys are letting hubris get to you.

Hillary Clinton is why we won, simple as that. She did not appeal to the traditional democratic base of far left SJWs and working class voters, and therefore she lost because the former didn't turn out and the latter joined Trump in huge numbers.

Another Obama type (young, hip, maybe a minority, sufficiently liberal but not too liberal as to alienate bluedogs) will deliver them the win in 2024 (not enough time for 2020 IMO).

I've said it fom the beginning: it was pure delusion to think that a boring old white woman could deliver Obama turnout.

No, it isn't humanitarian. Mixing cultures is always violent. The only reason it worked so well in the US is because it was all White. Once that stopped, it was all downhill.

I can't wait for people to realize how quickly the economy turns around once huge swaths of non-contributors are out of the picture. Deporting brown people is a positive feedback loop - shit will just keep getting better for those that remain behind. It's a real slippery slope. That's why the Dems are so terrified.

Your willful ignorance is astounding. the reason why Obamacare hasn't had a good roll out as it could have had is because Republicans have been doing everything in their power to sabotage it on a local, state and national level. And also dismantle it in the courts to weaken it and not fund it in Congress. As I stated before, it's not shocking that states controlled by Republicans have their medical costs sky rocket because they choose to fuck over their own voters instead of having the audacity to use something the other party has crated.

And the idea that Clinton portrayed herself as an economic populist and make it believable? Here, have this image, you earned it.

And if you suddenly throwing 20 million people into economic chaos because you take away their health care, you've should take off the blinders in thinking that wouldn't cause a major impact in the midterms.

That's because the Democrats have strayed from the New Deal roots since they Reagan was able to woe the rural voters away issues separate from economics and the DLC deciding to not give a shit about them by pandering to corporate America.

Furthermore, you're using a No True Scotsmen fallacy since the New Deal was all about public works and the create of safety nets (AKA Entitlement) to help get the economy and people back on their feet. If anything, that's exactly what the democrats need in order to reach out to Rural voters you think is so necessary. Because if Trump can win them over with just hollow rhetoric, imagine what would happen if you got someone who followed through with his promises?

Furthermore, the primary system was rigged against Sanders and the media was pounding him on both sides with the left calling him unelectable and the right saying he was a communist. The Clinton democrats drank the cool aid where they even admit they like Sanders policies better but voted for Clinton because they felt 'she had a better chance of winning'

So you don't the Democrats need to change at all? Purely just a personality argument.

You know I wonder if slavery had started as a real multi-cultural movement to let Africans, who were used to shithole living styles, build a future with white Americans

Here's the thing - you can't appeal to far left SJWs and working class voters at the same time anymore. They're basically diametrically opposed at this point.

Alright. But you;ve just fucked yourself over by admitting that Rural votes are absolutely necessary by sticking to a New Deal Style platform. Which is what I've been trying to get through this entire discussion. So we are now in agreement. Rural voters need to be gotten, they can be gotten, and the DLC is a big part of them not getting gotten. What more do you want from this discussion? I feel like this arguing for the sake of arguing.

Faggot I work in healthcare finance for one of the largest hospitals in the US. The exchanges were designed to fail when the federal government mandated state-based exchanges that only 4-5 payors. It's purely supply and demand at that point. Combined with the inabilty to manage costs at the CMS regardless of the implementation of Core Measures and Bundled payments, it only drives healthcare prices up.

You're exactly the type of Leftist I hate. Overassuming your own MSNBC-intellect and thinking the rest of us don't know anything. Please though, give me another b-b-but the Republicans are evil argument.

I think it's gonna be hilarious
if the us is gonna burn, best it's with the republicans in charge.
how long until they overturn roe vs wade?
they'll have the scous for the next 20 years.
I wonder if trump will end his terms with a police state

>Specially target a group based on skin color, birthplace or religious background.

Next you're going to tell me Regan's 1980's campaign starting in a town that murdered 3 civil rights activists and talking only about 'state's rights' was just a coincidence as well.


The bigger issue is you're thinking SJWs make up a much larger core of the democratic party than you believe. They're still very much outside the system since they decided to go 'fuck the power' and instead of subverting the party from within like the Tea Party did with the Republicnas.They are a marginalized group within the party in terms of actual influence. Shit like equal pay is a dog whistle for just like all the pipe dreams Republicans promise their base.

Actually no, Rural voters are just a beneficial side effect to going back to New Deal policies when as i said before, the democrats need to get back to basics if they want to win and that involves shoring up their liberal base. But thank you for trying to put words in my mouth in order to futilely declare victory.

They bet literally all their resources on Hillary becoming President and taking the senate, and they failed, they beat up the energized wing of their own party in the interest of protecting the status quo, this cycle will get the radicals all full of hate and fire for a while, but they'll tire out, and the real aftermath will be a democrat party that is demoralized and lacking both a coherent voice and unified platform.

Its a "Time in the wilderness" for Democrats, they have no real power now, all the people who attached themselves to the Clintons and pushed aside others in the interest of Neo-lib power will be somewhat outcast now. Most of them are the last standing members of the 60s and 70s social group, an Old Guard of the democratic party that is now going to be pushed aisde in favor of something new. They will lose more in 2018 unless they divorce themselves from the reality denying leftist madness that has seized their party. Identity politics just bit they right in the ass and they have to find something more substantial that "Gays, Blacks, Mexicans and Snowflakes untie in our hatred of people who arn't us and our demand for free shit and no laws" at the end of the day stuff like jobs and security trump those narratives because they are matters of survival rather than matters of discretion.

If they do not, if they cling to the extremist Ideologies that have alienated them from the American people they will become irrelevant and the Libertarian party will probably gain a lot of their supporters in the power vacuum. The down side of that would be complete Republican dominance, which as a centrist I dislike almost as much as Democrat dominance, the only real solace I can take in Republican hegemony is that they are very unlikely to try and take my guns.

Unless they make some serious changes, they will fade into obscurity. As baby boomers age they will be faced with a shrinking voter base. They can either ditch their shady tactics and elitism(highly doubtful) and target millennials specifically, but even then they may still fail to compete with Republicans as the more conservative Generation Z approaches voting age in the coming elections.

I've read that trump got 1.7 million less votes than romney and it looks like the democrat vote is down 4 million from 2012

remember all those stories about ppl registering in record numbers in some states?
I wonder what happended

You know, it looks like the Democrats may go your way regardless. Run up the score even farther in California while being one state away from outright having the Constitution rewritten by Republicans. Forget trying to do anything different or admit fault. Let's just double-down on more insanity until we are a rump party. Because we obviously can't BOTH appeal to Rural voters AND the base at the same time. What are we, effective politicians?

I swear to god, its fuckers like you that make me prefer NEETdom over being a Democrat.

Literally like labour in the UK.
A huge divide between big city social justice warrior champagne socialist types and more rural working class people.

No time to proof read since I'm doing other shit and Sup Forums is moving faster than Sup Forums.

Maybe the gook owner should put Sup Forums behind a paywall if he really wants to make money off this site.
First off, you won't mind me asking what system and hospital you work for and in what state? If you're going to accuse me of being a hack, I'd like to see you be held to some standard.

More importantly the system was flawed because there was no government backed option to help keep prices down and force insurance to play far instead of finding ways to fuck over the consumers but at the expense of tax payers money. As for your complaints over improving quality of hospitals, that's another reason to dump the for profit model due to even 'non-profit' hospitals treating their staff like it's a service industry job in having them take on more workloads and patients for less pay. If you really are in a health care system, you should be well aware of the nurse to patient ratio and how become a clusterfuck because profit, not quality is what matters in the end.

This is correct, anyone on this board like who thinks the Democrats need to move more to the right are idiots. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are a template to where the democrats should be on policies as opposed to the DINOs who have been running the party since Bill Clinton.

Also people did register and new voters did turn out. The issue was the base didn't turn out as well, along with voter suppression tactics Republicans engage in. (like voter ID laws, reducing hours and locations for voting, spreading lies about when and where to vote, and other things like caging.) It's a read the statistics because it looks like a drop when there are lot of other factors involved. Unless you want to claim tin foil voter fraud.

Another point is that the DNC will fail to cater to younger hispanic citizens. Instead of reaching out to hispanic communities and creating legislation to assist them, they've displayed nothing but arrogance and entitlement to their votes. This is clearly evident in this year's presidential election, as more hispanics voted Trump, in spite of his rhetoric against them, than they did for Romney in 2012.

There is also a clear divide between born hispanic citizens and the people who migrated here illegally. Many second/third generation Mexican immigrants aren't as linguistically or culturally affiliated with Mexican culture as the left believes, and strive to become assimilated into American culture. By treating assimilated hispanics as Mexicans rather than Americans, the DNC has alienated them by associating them with a culture they aren't a part of.

Good luck selling socialist economics to a conservative country

If that does happen, I welcome them fucking with the constitution because of how quickly it will backfire on them and how absolute power leads to backlash. Same shit happened in 2006 and 2010. It's a matter of the Democrats getting back to basics since trying to pander to the rural states is nothing buy fool's goal at this point of the game where the Demcorats have to rediscover who they are. Continue on the path that they are nothing but republican lites like they have acted for the past 30 years. Or get back to their liberal roots with the new deal and great society?

It's going to boil down to which side jumps out first. And more importantly, who is going to be more aggressive. If there's one thing Dems never had, it's that they were never as vicious as the Republicans were which is part of the reason they lose.

Case in point for 2004. The Democrats should have put this on a scrolling display and placed them everywhere.
>9/11 happened under George W Bush's and the Republicans watch and they then let Bin Laden get away.'

Because you know if Gore was president and 9/11 happened, that's all the republicans would talk about.

Democrats have suffered tremendously under Obama.

Reps now hold 34 out of 50 governors offices.
They run the US house by a sizeable margin.
They still run the US Senate and if Trump can do anything bu 2018, they will gain.
They control (majority) 68 legislative chambers and full control (house and senate) in 33 States.

Now add in the inevitable in-fighting and the Old Guard DNC money players holding on to power.
Now add in the ones that are going to shift over to the GOP to try and maintain their money while pulling it away from the DNC.
Now add in the scaredycrats who are going to swing wide right to maintain their seats in 2018.

The DNC is down for a good long while.

That's the misconception. Appealing to Rural areas doesn't entail being Republican-lite, but by being the 'dreaded' Socially Conservative, Fiscally Liberal candidate. That's what worked for the Dems for decades at a time and what used to deliver the South reliably to them. The REAL problem of winning over Rural voters is whether the Dems want to make concessions in order to get them, and that involves increasing the 'big tent' of the party to include people who are left, but not "Social Justice Left."

If the Democrats don't want to make that concession, however, then they are fated to the future of being the "Labour Party." They rule over large cities and not much else. Hell, even in a Majority-Minority America, the vast majority of territory (and therefore seats) will still be locked away in Rural counties due to how the system exists in.

To me, I'm both smart enough to know how to obtain victory, but the real question is whether victory itself will be obtained. And right now, it doesn't look like it for the foreseeable future. But given 2020, who knows what could happen? It's just as likely the Dems take the presidency and still lose control of the States and Congress and Supreme Court. There's a dysfunctional equilibirium that exists right now and I'll learn to adapt regardless.

>happens to the Democratic Party?
let's get rid of it.

these people have been proven greedy, weak, ineffectual, and ignorant. we should destroy the dem party as a whole while they are in scramble mode, then recruit the leftovers, or 'kill them off'. sure there will be another libtard party eventually, but nothing serious for at least a decade

You've gotta be a shill.

You think voter id laws prevent minoritypeople from voting? No one in your own party except the racist unaware liberals believes that shit. Black people here about that and think it's a fucking joke. You need a license to get around anywhere. To do anything worth doing, and its somehow racist? You flood the country with immigrants and illegal ones because you know that they will inevitably vote for the left. You literally can't win the war of ideas so you stuff the ballot box by endlessly cheating, promising free shit, calling us racist, and importing people that will vote for you.

Many of you have been wondering why it is taking so long to get Democratic Underground back online after we were hacked. Here is what's going on. (Some of this is redundant with public statements we have made before, some is updated, and some is new.)

The site was first attacked around 4:30PM ET on Tuesday afternoon. This was not a "typical" hack like a DDoS or an attempt to gain control of our web server. Instead, the hacker had found a vulnerability in our forum software.

The hacker exploited that vulnerability in what appeared to be a politically-motivated act of vandalism: A large number of posts were removed and replaced with the words "God Emperor" (a reference to Donald Trump), and a ridiculously over-the-top pro-Trump video was served automatically to all of our visitors. If you're curious you can watch the video on YouTube (WARNING: HATE CONTENT).

the video.

>youtube.com/watch?v=OIgsHZSqy_g

I gtg folks

Asking someone to dox their company and state is Reddit-tier shit. West coast, over 30 hospitals. Look it up.

You are competely uniformed what's wrong with healthcare. If the for-profit model wasn't effective, the US wouldn't have the overwhelming majority of Top 100 hospitals in the world. We already have government-backed options here, they're called Medicare and Medicaid which over 40% of the country use. They drive healthcare prices up the most due to price-fixing and the inabilty of Congress to keep up with technology. The whole aim of the triple point system is to increase quality and decrease costs. Systems that have adopted self-sustaining ACO models are proving this. Kaiser and UHG are leading the way in those areas. Nurse to patient ratios has variable impacts on quality amd negligible relative to overall impacts from population health initiatives.

>'2 cents have been deposited into your account. thank you for helping to MAGA and remember, the 50 post you make calling someone a shill gets a voucher for a free hot pocket!'
Actually voter ID laws do make it harder for SHOCK, minorities to vote because they lack time, money, means of transportation to get the necessary iIDs. Or how they are clearly biased in favor of Republican voters. (A gun license is an acceptable form of ID, but a Student ID is not.)

Just like how social issues override economic interests for the Republicans, the Democrats have to be able to do the opposite where economic interests override the social issues for voters. As I said before, the Democrats really need to take a hard left on the economic policies and cut lose all the corporate whores in the party.

Also they have 20 election cycles to try and gain control of some state legislators because the reason the Republicans have had such a stranglehold on the state level this past decade was because of how effectively they've gerrymandeder districts.

>Asking for basic proof of claim
>That's doxing!
>It's r-r-reddit!
Sounds like you're the one from reddit and scared shitless because your company MAY have a policy against you doing things like this and you don't want to leave anything that leaves a trail.

Or you could be a shill who just got a list of talking points to spew that uses jargon designed to make you look like you're in the system.

I'm on the fence as to if you're a pussy to scared to say who you work for because you really think I'm going to take the time and effort to get access to your company's employee data bank and out that you shitpost on Sup Forums. Or just a shill who works for hot pockets.

We must seize the levers of power firmly and not let them go, as relinquishing them to the Left again will create another existential threat to the Republic.

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Regardless, the fact your points have degraded so much makes me think the latter. The For-Profit system only benefits the extremely wealthy and fucks over everyone else. You might live an area with only 5* restaurants and then talk about how everything is so great, while asking why people can't afford a $400 appetizer. Next misrepresentation is the fact that you have a system that is government run, but also being neutrered by the Republicans and it only helps 40% of the country, if we were serious in fixing health care, we'd extend that to 100%. Also you're blaming what the Republicans did with Medicare where the government can't negotiate for prices on goods and medications which leads to the price fixing you complain about.

Also it helps when you can reject claims for whatever reason like Kaiser is notorious for doing in order to save on the bottom line. Regardless of that, it doesn't help that you create a new system and have new shackles put on it by people hell bent on destroying the system that was created. Which is what is happening to Obamacare. You let it create an actual functioning single payer system. It would look a hell of a lot better than the shit we have now. Hell, people might be proud of our healthcare system for once.

>Absolutely no rebuttal to anything I said.
>Dat ad hominem

If you knew anything about HC, you'd know who I work for as soon as I said ACO and West Coast

Here, I'll play your game though. Fuck you faggot delete yourself.

SJWs will never stop. Either they take over the party like a cancer or they are removed entirely

Ideally, burgerbros will use the destabilization to join up and make a nationalist wing.

Controling both parties worked really nicely for (((them))), and we should learn from the example.

the left is alive and well

the left has been moving to the right for over 20 years. it trump screws up, expect a backlash. that is if ppl don't just start leaving first