So when robots have replaced enough jobs and basic income is initiated, what will happen?

so when robots have replaced enough jobs and basic income is initiated, what will happen?

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>basic income

Being retarded I see.

basically only whites, poos, and changs will have employment.

I a specialist of taking care of those robots.
Will I get a basic income too?

This, it's not a coincidence that opiates are being legalized in Western countries

VR might be a better opiate than any real opiate.

My hope is that people of similar interests band together and work as a collective to acheive their goals without the demands of profitablity. Meetup groups will meet far more regularly and tackle larger and more significant projects, leading to a boom in innovation. Think MMO guilds. But we need UBI to make this work.

>basic income
>entry level jobs replace humans with robots
>government has to scrape together enough money to keep all skillless humans wealthy enough to buy shit from the companies that mechanized
sounds like a pretty bad deal to me!

Please rid yourself of the delusion that continous and uninterrupted technological progress will usher in the new utopia. The future is traditional, and centered around Man, you gotta understand that.

Blame the jews and capitalism(ironically)

Because considering how much land is not populated and that robots will reduce the cost of work it would be just as feasible to give everyone a plot of land and a multi tool robot to survive off, and it has the bonus of giving people a sense of purpose and a source of pride.

But if you give them money to spend and just let them drug off or just seclude themselves you might as well kill them, they have become worthless.

It feels more likely that humans build themselves the matrix do to our current systems, rather than robots take over.

i truly believe there is a point where almost every job that can be replaced by machinery will be.

at that point basic needs will have to be provided by the state cause there simply won't be enough jobs anywhere. Now I believe that future is quite still some years away but something we should at least start dialogue about.

Why fly off into space in little stable communes on ships to find minerals and explore new worlds by ourselves

We all become NEETs

the elite will keeps us around like pets out of compassion and not kill us with the military bots

once robots take off though capitalism is basically on it's last legs and going extinct because there will be so many people without a job and no ways of income. Basic income will have to come from higher taxes from the ones who do work and it causes a cascade effect. I don't think currency is compatible with automation and robots society.

Only if the elites have and ego that doesn't fit on this planet.

>Basic income will have to come from higher taxes from the ones who do work and it causes a cascade effect.

But that's already happening, open your eyes. It's called welfare

As opposed to what? Starving in the streets?

or if they see them as superior people and practice eugenics like they already do.

These groups will be an apprentices' first exposure to their field of choice, as opposed to an entry level job. People will be able to change which campfire they gather around at anytime without risk of death through lack of means, creating highly skilled workers with multiple areas of expertise. Once they rise in ranks of their guild, they receive a recommendation which they can use to get a paying job.

I see at the very soonest it happening in 10-15 years for low level jobs like fast food and the such. Tech advances so fucking fast. In 2000 I would have never thought little touchscreen devices that you could watch videos, listen to music, call, browse the web, play games, pay with, and use as a key would be so abundant and cheap.

>Tech advances so fucking fast

not really if anything we have hit a brick wall

Yea but there are only 12% niggers, the ones who really abuse the system on that, the others actually work on the side and don't push out more kids to collect more.

> Everything that can be Invented has been Invented
kek

they'll use the basic income to strangle you to death then

The thing is, we don't have infinite resources. So capitalism and currency will always exist.

Another problem is what happens if the big companies fail?

What happens in case of disaster?

With over automation and basic income you are turning most of the population in useless resource drains that will die off if the system ever fails.

And yeah over taxation will be a problem, what happens if companies go on strike because the government taxes them too much?

>See them as superior people

Unless you typed wrong, it's bs what you said. If they cared for eugenics they would stop africans from breeding and would not force/promote inter breeding with africans.

It's quite clear they just want power, only hope of survival for the plebs in such a situation is that they want adulations of the crowds. But considering most of the elites are un known, well we are fucked.

Argument has the weakness that you can't sustain an economy when the people have no income to buy shit.

To be honest, we'll probably stagnate in a situation similar to the one we have now, even though within a century we could have the robots do all the work in some sort of techno-communist fashion, and we could spend our time wanking it on Senegalese acoustic seminars.

you are talking about the microchip though. Robotics really haven't gone full swing, even though in many sectors they have, in daily life of regular people. Take self driving cars. They are gonna take all the jobs of truckers, taxi drivers, snow plowers, and bus drivers.

I didn't say that. our understanding of physics needs to advance to have another explosion of new tech

Phone isn't new. Watching videos isn't new (TV). Internet and computers isn't new. The smartphone is not an invention, it is merely a different form filling the same function. Technology isn't progressing or advancing towards a final optimal utopira.

>and basic income is initiated

Why would that happen exactly?

people seem to think that work is synonymous with a job. people will still work albeit in a more independent piecemeal way at various ebdeavours to get money; we just won't have to go to certain jobs. ideally jobs would become obsolete once people realize they never wanted the products in the first place.

Machines will make us stronger.

We will be architects of technology and the ruling class of a society unbound by the laws of man or god.

Automation of trivial professions is but the first step towards an eternal dominion that will span billions of stars.

There will always be scarcity til we invent some way to produce elements like the sun and stars do but that is WAY OFF (though I see it happening before humanity does space exploration to other galaxies).

RIP immigrants

Making food was their best shit

People will have to star creating gimmick jobs, Like youtubes.

Yes tell me this please. Why would basic income happen? Who's paying your basic income?

We are hitting multiple brick walls.

We are reaching the limit of silica based chips, of how tiny we can get circuits, and even the speed of electricity is causing issues.

That's just computing. Even armament is getting a bit stumped as a simple laws of balistics are getting in the way and we keep getting diminishing results.

and replace them with high tech engineering and technician jobs

You can't produce elements you tit. You convert them between different forms

hipsters will start mining copper because it's retro

I never said it wasn't new. I meant it was so abundant. Robots aren't new. The greeks technically invented robots but the robots in the next few decades are gonna be iRobot types and will be increasingly visible in everyday life.

self driving cars aren't robots they're just a computer with machine learning

Purge Africa.

The thing is, current scarcity is a real issue, the whole we can mine asteroids thing does not compare with current scarcity. We have to waste a lot of energy and pollute a lot to extract the shit we use for technology, and we find that most of the stuff we use is not that common, there is a real risk of running out of Helium for example

The plan is not UBI chaps.

The plan is depopulation.

You are Tax Cattle. Non-productive tax cattle are rendered to marrow and glue.

Yes you can with nuclear fusion or fission. How you think shit like gold and other heavy metals are created? You have to have immense heat and pressure to combine atoms. The Sun can only create the elements to iron on its own, its needs to fucking explode and die to create every other element because of the insane pressure and heat needed. Thats why gold and other higher up elements are so rare.

what always happens when a bunch of men have nothing to do

One half starts rioting, the other indulges in (seemingly) mindless games. Both groups get in to deep, then they decide to go all the way

Then progress happens

Most women will probably just fuck around/ be prostitutes and caretakers

Well spoken. The cult of the "job" will hopefully die soon. And we can return to the origins, which is to work for the sustenance of you and your family.

That's the idea behind it.

Wont work because the rich are not needed either, most are there by circumstance. We can just shoot them and take their place.

Communism and population control beyond our imagination.

Assuming the economy stays the same, from exactly the same companies that pay taxes today.

Yes i see your point now. Thanks.

There's plenty of iron and gold here on earth though.

it's time for you to get back to /r/futurology

you can jack off to videos of elon musk to your hearts content

>Fisherman
Instead of 10 guys on a boat doing everything and 30 fixing things, we will have robots and 30 guys fixing things day and night so the boat don't sink.

Can anyone weigh in on my idea? I think it's a good one.

I shudder to think what a caste of people dependent on a "basic income" would look like, and how they would behave. We already have our rabid inner city leftists on welfare, they are crazy enough. Truely we should blame the Romans for starting all this with the stupid grain dole. If i could decide welfare would be outlawed.

I've never understood Reddit, i just hate the interface of the site. It's irrational. I only went there 2 days ago to r/politics to look at some sweet leftist tears.

Well the most basic element of Helium is actually disappearing from Earth and is non renewable.

Examples besides real estate?

>bakers
>replaced
no
people are actually willing to pay more money to get hand baked bread

>citation needed

How, in this age with the internet and almost unlimited access to free information, can there be any excuse to not be educated enough for modern 21st century jobs?

Only people you need for a society are those who feed the army, make up the army, arm the army and lead the army.

95% of society can get killed. And the wheels will keep on spinning

Good riddance, what a useless gas. We'll put hydrogen in our future blimps instead.

>Who's paying your basic income?
No one since it doesn't exist and I don't see why it would given that the people that would have to pay for it have then the means to just replace their potential workforce with machines.

What would happen if we ever get to a post-scarcity society is mass death of the people that the ones on top don't need anymore.

heliumscarcity.com/

its so fucking light it just escapes our atmosphere.

I'd accept anything in the future as long as we don't have niggers anymore

You're still not getting new mass. Stars fuse lower mass atoms into higher mass atoms. You cannot create new mass.

Specialization, specialization. We have machines that are so complex you need 50 different specialists to maintain it. In the future they will look at our automatic dragon-dildo-producing machines and think "What the fuck did this thing do". You need to be educated by the previous person who controlled the machine in order to learn how the machine works. One snap in the chain, one crisis and all the knowledge is lost forever. The internet doesn't exist, it really is a series of tubes. The information "stored" on the internet is lost forever when someone pulls the switch. A clay tablet is a more safe form of storage than a harddrive.

Everyone will move on to jobs that aren't replaced

No, you must pay double taxes.

We can't give you basic income because you don't need it and the government needed a way to balance the budget.

You don't get housing credits either. Please work yourself to death because you aren't entitled to retirement.

>What would happen if we ever get to a post-scarcity society is mass death of the people that the ones on top don't need anymore.

That's true, but things will change way before it comes to that. People don't like to die.

i never said new mass, i said new elements.

step 1: transition all pensions to UBI
step 2: tax all wealth over 10k
step 3: ???
COMMUNISM

>tax all wealth over 10k

Then there would be little incentive to work

The human species is an organism in itself. Most of us are completely useless and do essentially nothing special for society. We will come to terms with this. Basic income is a necessity with automation and AI on the rise. We will gradually replace democracy with some technology that is superior in a process that will likely evolve from Ethereum. Replacing democracy is essential in dealing with the problems basic income would otherwise bring, problems we already face, aka welfare niggers.

It can be mined from the moon and asteroids I believe. I'm sure there are still some undisturbed pockets as well here on Earth.

I'd vote for basic income just to see the chaos unfold
Cyberpunk distopia here i come!

This isn't ever going to happen
At least not in the US.
The dollar is going to crash within the next year and we'll be worse off than Russia

>basic income
This meme regularly shows up here in /pol, but it won't happen no matter how many times you repeat it.

What do u mean?

Won't robots solve the problem of resource scarcity then? Without scarcity money and capitalism loose relevance as they are only needed to manage scarcity. We can't possibly imagine society that survives such shock.

We should just have less children

>People don't like to die.

Didn't stop people from dying during the industrial revolution. Won't stop them in the future, exactly BECAUSE things aren't changing beore it comes to that, since the ones in control profit from things not changing.

Why do you think they're so hard pressed on having people distracted on so many levels?

ok Ill bite, why would the dollar crash?

Today we already have millions of useless jobs. Just take a look in your nearest product catalog. We produce billions upon billions of items that we don't need, just to stimulate the economy. People need a wage to live, and people need to spend the wage in order to keep the economy alive. If we wanted to, we could sit down and let 0.1% of the population produce the food and clothing needed for the other 99,9% to live and do nothing. But we don't we are humans who feel a need to activate our bodies. We don't want to live in fishtanks.

What is reasonable then? To work for ourselves, to return to self-sustenance. Be farmers, hunters, gardeners and craftsmen again like we did for tens of thousands of years before the nefarious lie of "technological progress" was ever coined.

NEETs will inherit the earth

No they won't fix scarcity. As robots serving you food don't make running a mine cheaper. All most recent developments in robotics do is take care of non jobs.

what is the difference between UBI and welfare?

I agree, but what good is having less children when you have subhuman hordes breed like rabbit and idiots willing to import them and feed them so that they can breed some more?

STEM fields. Pedro and especially Jamal will not be in those fields. Pedro will be in manual labor or a technician while Jamal is just flat out already unemployed are in some affirmative action bureaucratic job that is insanely inefficient. Thats the thing about blacks in the workforce, alot of them have jobs that only exist for the sake of someone having a job. There is no need for their job to exist in reality.

The US debts are worse now than ever before. Do you seriously think the fed can just keep printing money and our debtors will never tell us to fuck off?
Fuck no we are going to default and all the purchasing power we have is going to shift to China

...Said no virile people ever throughout history

Doesn't the US mostly owe money to itself?

yeah, we all want to see the world where every fucking idiot has a lot more children than what they could otherwise afford, kek
I wanna see all those FAS patusy on polish street

Spoken like a true cuck.

It can be trapped and extracted from most Gas wells.
It is just expensive to do so, and why it isn't done in the age of cheap Helium.
When helium becomes pricey enough, it will be extracted for medical, research and industrial uses. But that would be too pricey for party balloons etc.