If Aladdin wished to be a prince, doesn't the genie make it true? Why does everyone act like it was a lie?

If Aladdin wished to be a prince, doesn't the genie make it true? Why does everyone act like it was a lie?

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because they need conflict for the plot

Why was he a prince when Genie didn't give him fake parents?

At the very moment the Genie granted the wish, Cassim must have become the King of Thieves.

It's probably just easier to pretend that he's not a real prince than to bring up how he's the prince of THAT.

>>At the very moment the Genie granted the wish, Cassim must have become the King of Thieves.
Dick move, genie

If he truly made him a prince, what kingdom is he from? What sort of strategic or economic boon could he give the sultan for the Marriage of Jasmin?

It's kind of explained in a deleted song.

youtu.be/W9vXZncjGvk?t=2m4s

The Genie took some shortcuts as he's apparently got a mortal mind and personality. He probably didn't even think about actually setting up a family for him to be heir of, he figured that creating an entourage out of random animals would be good enough.

The scene where Aladdin gets a "free wish" shows that the cosmic guidelines to this whole thing aren't very literal.

That's actually neat-o, but Cassim established that he was the King of Thieves while Aladdin was a baby.

The byproduct of the wish was the Kingdom of Maldonia.

I thought Jafar undid all of his magic shit during the Prince Ali reprise. Unless he just changed his clothes.

If Genie's magic did conjure up a nation for Aladdin to be prince of, I highly doubt Jafar undid it in that one scene.

>those 90s ROMpler muted trumpets
Takes me back.

He conjured up the illusion, they were just transformed vermin.

The entourage was, but I presume there wasn't actually a nation of transformed fleas that they departed from.

Of course, this raises the question of whether deleted scenes are canon.

jasmines early design sure was T H I C C

Heard mention of a fan-theory that this movie series took place in the far future rather than the past. Anybody else familiar with this and can explain it? Is it cuz Genie uses modern references?

the theory goes that in the movie universe the world fell into some sort of nuclear armageddon, sending technology back to the dark ages for thousands of years

so when genie is making pop culture references to stuff we know, its because it happened thousands of years in his past. there's nothing in the movie to actually support this theory though, other than genie's knowledge of modern pop culture

however, i think it's easier to believe that genie is just some 4th dimensional being with no proper concept of time

>A magical being cant change history

>The scene where Aladdin gets a "free wish" shows that the cosmic guidelines to this whole thing aren't very literal.

When was this?

When he escapes the cave.

From the thumbnail it looks like aladdin is laying back, has huge boobs and a powergirl like boob window on them.

>At the very moment the Genie granted the wish, Cassim must have become the King of Thieves.

Because he wasn't a real prince born from existing royalty. Genie just conjured up what was basically counterfeit money, clothes, and material possessions and hologram people + animals. I mean, where the fuck did they all go after the musical number? Disappeared because they weren't real.

It was a lie because he has no kingdom, no real followers born from organic matter vs. magic, no royal parents. Genie only made the superficial elements of a prince since that's all that was needed for Jasmine. Aladdin did explain he was only doing it for a girl, not because he wanted a kingdom. If Aladdin had specified such, Genie would've made a whole kingdom for him.

>however, i think it's easier to believe that genie is just some 4th dimensional being with no proper concept of time

The creators have said that was the intent. Knowledge of future pop culture is one of his PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS and he mostly jokes around to amuse himself what with the whole having spent all that time cooped up in the lamp.

Then technically Genie didn't grant the wish, he owes Al

He did all he thought to do. Plus, since Genie stays a genie in all future films and licensing and still helps Al out all the time, it isn't like Aladdin is hurting for magic.

>What sort of strategic or economic boon could he give the sultan for the Marriage of Jasmin?

He has a genie.

Why didn't they use the Jafar genie at the end of the movie to make Aladdin a prince again?

He has nothing to offer but himself.

Which sounds lame, until you recall that even leaving out the Sequels and the animated series, he kind of outfoxed the most powerful Sorceror in the world and liberated Agrabah. Also, Flying Carpet

The point was that Jasmine loved him for who he was, not for the flashy prince-ness

Also, not that the writers or characters thought this far ahead, but Aladdin would become a Prince just by marrying Jasmine.

Why didn't Jasmine just make some wishes

>Aladdin would become a Prince just by marrying Jasmine

is that how royalty works?

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Royalty works however the fuck royalty says it works.

Best not to chance how much free will Jafar has as a Genie.
Not how it works, though that sounds like a cute story where a man comes to claim the hand of the Princess and the King has stipulations about how his daughter may only marry a Prince. Then he just double speaks his way into sounding like a Prince and putting off showing concrete proof. Then he marries her and the punchline is that the Princess is married to a Prince.

because that would have been weird back when the early script still had Aladdin's mother alive and part of the cast

But he did, though. Technically speaking, "Prince" is just a title that requires no actual royal lineage. Additionally, Aladdin's dad was the King of Thieves; in either case, all Genie HAD to do to fulfill the requirements of the wish was provide the trappings of a prince.

That's the whole thing with genies. Their entire shtick is that they're giant cunts that at best will only do the bare minimum to give you what you want and at worst will twist your words to completely and utterly fuck you.

It just so happened that this particular retarded blue fuck was a nice guy and tried his best.

There's a STOP sign poking out of the desert in one of the games

>Their entire shtick is that they're giant cunts that at best will only do the bare minimum to give you what you want and at worst will twist your words to completely and utterly fuck you.
Hell, Once Upon a Time even had wishing the genie free end up fucking over the person who made the wish.

Sounds like they wanted to have more grounded rules to the magic, namely that Genie needed "props and actors" for his elaborate ruses instead of just conjuring everything and poofing it away when he was done like we actually got.

Except he did. He made Al LOOK like a prince, that still counts.

His wish is not to be a prince, but for the genie to make him a prince

Do your research. Genie's are fucking DICKS. They hate humanity and you better pray to Allah they never actually escape their prison.

Aladdin was lucky Genie didn't turn him into pic-related.

They used similar loopholes in The Princess and the Frog.

>That's the whole thing with genies. Their entire shtick is that they're giant cunts that at best will only do the bare minimum to give you what you want and at worst will twist your words to completely and utterly fuck you.
This is one of those things like exclusively Lovecraftian angels or all faries being evil that is as inaccurate as the version they are reacting against. Genies could be good or bad morality-wise, exactly like humans. Because they are generally powerful, they are often obstacles to overcome or at least dangerous. The lamp genie does everything Aladdin orders to the letter, and when the Sorcerer's brother tricks Aladdin into insulting the genie indicates it could have killed Aladdin at any time, but chooses to punish the brother instead. The ring genie is nothing but helpful. You have edge cases like the Genie vs Fisherman story where he is just retaliating for the death of his son and honors his word, or a character like Paribanou that got lumped in with other kinds of djinn and is basically a pure waifu. There is a wide variety to the mythology, it isn't ever just one thing.

That's why it didn't work, he was already a prince.
It's like a Texan wishing they were from Texas. The magic can't make it double true so it just spawns a bunch of stereotypical Texas stuff around them.

Because the stout guy from the Aladdin TV show released Genie Jafar and he instantly tricked him into dumb bullshit to get him to waste his wishes. Jafar is a trickster genie down to the letter, just get rid of him.

did the people genie apparated on prince ali's parade really exist? were they holograms?

did he give them all consciousness? did they have free will?

did they know that their short pathetic lives ends the moment the wish went away?

They're all extensions of genie.

For a more relatable comparison, imagine you make 50 smart accounts like Cleverbot and put them in a chatroom and tell someone, "Here's a bunch of friends for you to talk to".

They're basically very advanced programs.

They're magic, they don't have to explain shit.

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I also want to say to anyone who hasn't seen Aladdin that it's a great film and you should watch if you haven't already and like Disney

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Genie's knowledge of modern pop culture serves two out-of-universe purposes, first of all it let Robin Williams improv the hell out of the part, and secondly it serves as a clever reference to the original magic helper in english literature: Merlin from The Once and Future King, who aged backwards and so had knowledge of the future.

Depends on the particular royal house's rules of succession, in more patriarchal cultures it's not unheard of for a non-royal husband to take his royal wife's place in the line of succession, but that was not the norm in European royalty.

What if genie just had the Sultan adopt Aladdin, thereby making him a prince

That would have been cruel