Tim Drake Suggestions

Okay Sup Forumsmrades, you're put in charge of choosing the direction DC takes with Tim Drake; you can do anything from bringing him back as a manchild robin, to creating a whole new hero, to even killing the character off.
What's your first step and what's your end game?

Personally, I would bring back this costume (or a variation of it) ASAP and then slowly move him away from being just another robin or just another batman. I'd slowly turn him into a new hero with a bird motif (Cardinal) or a something completely different that has some form of in-universe significance.

B-bump

I would not keep the bird motif, I think that's stupid, OP.
I don't have any long term plans, but I would make him go through an adventure to find his friends who were erased from history after seeing the selfie kid flash took with the "titans of tomorrow" version of them (beast boy and raven may tag along.), while on this journey he gets his new identity (might be Red X, my reasoning being that he will try to keep the red motif but will not know what to call himself, so he will use the "X" as a placeholder, I need to put more thought on this idea, tho.).
Once he finds them, he gets back and recreates young justice.

Just fucking get rid of him.

>Bringing back Red X and Young Justice
Please, this. I miss Young Justice

Kill yourself and use Google you fucking newfag

Grey Ghost noir-like detective character is what Sup Forums has sold me on.

>What would you do with this character?
>Kill yourrself and google what these people you don't know would do with that character

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Have him reunite with Cassie,Bart and Kon. After that have them recruit some other heroes(Beast Boy, Raven and two or three more people) and start the new Outsiders. or a new black ops team.

The writers seem to be pushing Tim as the 'morally grey Robin' so him leading a covert operations team would make sense.

All good ideas. Also make his books more detective-focused. That's what the character was pitched as, they should commit. Gritty noir true-crime kind of stuff. It'd fill a niche that the other robins don't.

These are all great ideas. I'd combine all of them and have him pushed as more of a detective under a new alias who leads a version of Young Justice that isn't afraid to do what needs to be done. Along with leading the new team he should have his own more mystery noir styled solo series. They could even start tension with the Justice League because they're still seen as "inexperienced kids" but they're going around actually straight up killing villains they think can't be locked up/rehabilitated or doing things that are arguably immoral to get information/save the day

>Grey Ghost
Every fuvking time

He becomes El Bueno's boyfriend.

What in the fuck's name is this thread ? No no no you got it all wrong you need to make another soft porn thread, that's all this board is good for

I think there's no place for him in the superhero business. I think I would try to make an arc in which he realizes that he can help people by applying his mind, make him into some kind of scientist/inventor with no special gimmick. Make him work at a Univeristy with a huge scholarship, with access to many different labs and projects. Then one day some kinda terrorist group attacks his school and he defeats them using his wits, which makes him realize he misses the excitement, but he still doesn't want to be a cape, so he compromises by becoming a gadget inventor for his superhero friends. So the endgame would be that he is a brilliant scientist by day, a superhero supporter by night.
I don't know, I'm not a writefag but I really think quitting the cape would do Tim good.

Should embrace his detective fully, given that we don't have detective-ish stories anymore. Could make for a nice "batman" in a new Justice League International, too.

>Make him a gray ghost
At end of the comic a theresome between cassie tim and stephanie , his New side kicks cassie wearing a bikini and stephanie lingerie

Put him in the Oracle-like role. Keep him retired (along with Stephanie) save for helping out agents like Duke, Jean-Paul, the Birds, and Cassandra.

Then a case he finds about gnaws at him. It's a puzzle a giant puzzle he wants to crack that involves past rogues of his (Scarab, Lynx, the General, and let's just throw Dodge in there too). So he goes back into the field. Jason, Kon, and Cass help (since they have the best chemistry with him in his various runs). Turns out the person behind it all is King Snake.

The case wakes him up realizing how obsessive he can get and how unhealthy it is (maybe mirror the criminal went down the rabbit hole of obsession).

Tim then stays only going as the Oracle-type with the usual predictable bad trying to out/kill him story too. .

the only logical threesomes in the past are Cassie/Tim/Kon or Steph/Tim/Cass. With Tim being the bottom in both relationships.

>Red X

What a horrible name, i hope it never make it into comics

Make him the Robin that actually stays dead. Make Joker the one to do it.

I think Savior is a good name for present Tim too
The suit should use less red though

He should follow some incredibly weird mystery, probably what has already been said with finding his old friends who got wiped from history, but he shouldn’t wear a costume. Tim’s always been the Detective of the robins, it’s be neat to just dress him up all noir-like and maybe call it Tim Drake, PI for Capes

First: Take him away from Tynion, he has done anything good for the character

Second: If it's true that Titans and TT is getting cancelled then that would be a good time to start a new Young Justice title

Third: Change his name in whatever, at this point i'd take anything but Red Robin, the ideal for me would have been Grey Ghost since i like patterns and that alias fit the Nightwing and Red Hood motif, but really anything but Red Robin

>Fourth: Change his costume, the current one gives me the vibe of a porn actor playing Robin

He needs more episodes in TTG

>I would make him go through an adventure to find his friends who were erased from history after seeing the selfie kid flash took with the "titans of tomorrow"
I think inherently tying his origin to the clusterfuck that is DC's continuity right now is a really bad idea. A key part of the appeal for a superhero is often the ease with which you cane explain their origin to a newcomer. There's a reason Golden and Silver Age comics would often start with like 2 panels explaining who the character was.

>start the new Outsiders. or a new black ops team.
If your solution to "what to do with Tim" is to just put him on another team, then it's an inherently temporary solution.

King Snake. Noice.
When was the last time we saw him?

Blackest Night as a Black Lantern.

>. A key part of the appeal for a superhero is often the ease with which you cane explain their origin to a newcomer. There's a reason Golden and Silver Age comics would often start with like 2 panels explaining who the character was.

I understand this, but at some point you need to give older fans someting to hold on to. I know most comics are targeted towards teenagers, children or newfags, but having so many titles out there, you might as well have a few for mature readers, that follow up on the history and legacy of DC.

I think some writers / editors need to stop treating their readers as retarded underage children. Not for all titles,mind you, but some.

Tim drake is a perfect example of a character that is most appealing for 90's kids who can and will pay attention to continuity.

So all in all, I would go fo r but without the Red X identity.

>I know most comics are targeted towards teenagers, children or newfags, but having so many titles out there, you might as well have a few for mature readers, that follow up on the history and legacy of DC.
Having a character that can only ever appeal to people who have read a shit ton of previous stuff is a retarded idea. You can have aspects of them that appeal to oldfags who have read every comic published since the Reagan era, but you can't rely on that unless you want a character that sells 2 issues a month. Also I don't know why you're equating having an encyclopedic knowledge with being "mature." Plenty of shit has come out with convoluted as fuck backstories but is still written like a 13 year old boy.

Well, I wasn't so sure about the Red X identity anyways. What would you suggest?

>Also I don't know why you're equating having an encyclopedic knowledge with being "mature." Plenty of shit has come out with convoluted as fuck backstories but is still written like a 13 year old boy.

I'm not saying the whole story needs to rely on old continuity. Just dont erase or alter character origins that worked.

In the case of Tim, you can have a few issues of him finding Kon , Bart, and figuring out where they came from, and why they were forgotten. Explaining the time altering shenanigans. It can even be a tie-in to Doomsday clock, or spin out from there.

From then on,you have a solid team with clear origins, and you can have them move on from that. Tell new stories and develop these already established characters. You can throw a reference to old times here and there,but that's not needed. Those are easter eggs.

You get a new on-going Young Justice, but with them a bit older.

Honestly I have no problem with the Red Robin persona, I agree that it would be best for him to move on from it, but don't have any better ideas.

>or alter character origins that worked.
Nothing about Tim in the last 7 years has worked, and adding multiverse shenanigans to that will only make things worse.

If his thing would end up being detective work and stealth, but using some questionable methods they could just call him The Shadow and have him continue that legacy

I say we just make him Detective Drake, no persona at all

But then you get 90s fanboys like the ones in this thread who want Tim to always be super special awesome.

>n the case of Tim, you can have a few issues of him finding Kon , Bart, and figuring out where they came from, and why they were forgotten. Explaining the time altering shenanigans. It can even be a tie-in to Doomsday clock, or spin out from there.
Isn't that exactly what's happening with Tim in the comics now?

I would personally take it one of three directions, in no particular order:
- Kill him off and focus on any of the other million Batfamily members
- Have him assume the Savior identity recently seen in the Super Sons crossover
- Reinstitute Batman Inc and make him a Batman

Fuck that. I want Tim to try things on the other side of the law, or at least private investigator. Tim ditching the mask would be actual character growth, instead of constantly seeking a mantle.

It's not even that we want him to be super special awesome, we just want him to be used effectively and to grow into his own. Dick is Nightwing, Jason is the Red Hood, Damian is just starting out, but lord knows he's gonna become Batman. Hell, even Barb got Oracle, Cass got Blackbat, and Steph got Spoiler. Meanwhile Tim is still underutilized and called the "Red" Robin. It feels like he hasn't moved on

He hasn't moved on because no one has any idea what to do with him except either turn him into an even more generic version of Nightwing, or stick him on another team.

Have him form a detective agency with Sugar and Spike comically rivaling an agency with Detective Chimp and Elongated Man

>Isn't that exactly what's happening with Tim in the comics now?

There was a bit of that in the last Tec arc, but in the end the Titans of Tomorrow disappeared without much explanation.

I hope it gets picked up again sometime.

He doesn't need to be super special awesome, but he does need to have some traits that are his alone. I kind of like how Tynion writes him as a control freak hacker.

I always liked him more as a detective, though. I think his deductive skills and investigation should be the focus of the character. Let him rival Batman in that regard.

He should somehow become the new Question, even Bruce has said his detective skills rival his own, and hes physically capable enough.

Fuck off. Some of us want Vic back

Move him to Earth 2, with Kon and have them team up with Apollo and Midnighter.

>Let him rival Batman in that regard.
Batman's title is "world's greatest detective" Having the blandest Robin rival him in that is something DC is not going to do.

Write him out of the books and keep him away for a LONG time. I'm talking Jason Todd Jean Grey Barry Allen levels of dead. Keep him out of the books for at least a decade.

Eventually there'll be a place for him, but right now there's clearly not and it's not worth trying to force it.

What if he actually uses his hacking skills and detective work to get some hard evidence of the criminal underworld in Gotham, from the dirty cops to mob bosses, to politicians.

Resorting to violence only when needed, or letting his team do the fighting while he sneaks around.

The primary title Batman runs with currently is "the Dark Knight." "The world's greatest detective" title has been poorly used as of late.

He can have multiple titles. The detective thing often still shows up if the Al Ghuls are present.
>inb4 Timfags rush in to tell everyone that Ra's once called Tim "detective" in the panel they all have tattooed on their backs

Tim's entire origin is based on the fact that he deduced the identities of Batman and Robin. And many of this first stories were about him developing not only his phisical skills (he wasn't that good of a fighter) but also his detective skills.

If there is anyone who should be greatest detective aside from Batman, it's Tim.

Also just like said, Batman's not much of a detective as of late.

>use pic related as Tim's costume
>have Marcus To as main artist for Tim
>make Tim the least physical of the Robins (still agile, but the others outrank him), but in return he has the best detective abilities and technological genius
>make him a tsundere coffee-drinking insomniac
>make TimKon canon
Please rate my ideas.

I may have liked question in 52 but he's fucking useless in mainstream comics. his role is easily filled by tim or oracle

Making Tim the canon gay one is probably the only thing that could save him from obscurity.

>make timkon canon
It keeps kon away from women. Good. The man's a nigger.

His new 52 version of that costume was great, shame they never used it and instead they gave him that stupid suit with wings

What a stupid thing to say with the amount of redundant characters in DC comics alone. What, should Supergirl magically go away because Clark is there?

well... no ones buying supergirl so there you go

That's really really stupid. Have you ever read a Question solo series? He's nothing like Tim or Oracle.
And why is your first instinct to get rid of an excellent character so Tim Drake can take his place? Fuck that.

What issue is this from? (I mostly ignored N52)

This is really the attitude Timfags right now, to get rid of The Question just to fucking justify Tim.

the problem is that the question is already gone retards. no one gives a shit about him besides morrison and rucka. i dont need to justify replacing him when hes not even there. no one cares about the question

Speak for yourself, faggot.

I'm a Timfag, but people probably think the same about tim desu

Teen Titans #15, you're not missing anything of value

thats one of the reasons I thought it wasn't a horrible idea... though I'm not sure if we've seen Vic at all in Rebirth, and I dunno what Montoya is up to if anything.

The point being Tim would be a much more interesting character if he just straight up diverged from all the Batman Batfamily shit and took on a totally different persona and direction, not like Dick, he's pretty much always had a tether to Batstuff even during the Grayson run.

I hate to break it to you, but if Tim wasn't connected to the Bat Family no one would give a single shit about him

>Second: If it's true that Titans and TT is getting cancelled then that would be a good time to start a new Young Justice title
Will not happen while DiDio is EiC. One of his first edicts upon ascending to the position was to kill the high-selling Young Justice title under the justification that "fun is harming our brands." Which was swagger for the suits at WB.
Young Justice never reforming in the comics is a hill DiDio will die on -- at least not with anything like the original cast.

Fun fact: The real reason Young Justice was canceled was because, despite Teen Titans being on television DC's Titans comic kept tanking because it was terrible. One of DiDio's promises to the suits is that he would make Teen Titans a viable comic brand... which he did by gutting YJ and transplanting the cast of a better-selling comic over to TT.
(Teen Titans resumed its default 'nosediving sales and industry laughingstock' status 2 years later.)

>You can have aspects of them that appeal to oldfags who have read every comic published since the Reagan era
He hey hey hey hey... Tim is FIRMLY post-Reagan. By one year.

Is Tim the one who only dates black girls?

No? Steph is a ditzy blonde and his "main" love interest.

Tim's black and brown love interests outnumber his white ones by 2:1.

They had the hots for him, but Tim really didn't much think of them like that. He has a fetish for jet skis, Asian women, and women in open masked Batgirl costumes.

I love the jet ski thing

Not if you go by the actual amount of time spent with them.

We will never see Lynx II in Stephanie's costume riding a jet ski with Tim lying in a pool of blood spewing from his nose.

Tim is too pure for jet skis.

Just pretend the New 52 never happened. Red Robin was arguably the peak of the character.

>Red Robin was arguably the peak of the character.
That's really sad

Have him beat the shit out of Damian and take his mantle back from the brat. There's nothing wrong with the character how he was.

And finally the ultra bitter Timfags show up. Sorry your Robin was too bland to be able to do anything else if he's doesn't have the R on his chest

New ongoing titled 'Drake'.

Batman assigns Tim to be his Stand in when the Justice League Dark is investigating a mystic entity in Gotham.
Bad guy turns out to be some bitter dragon spirit rejected by its kin. Finds some parallels with Tim and it joins with his soul or something.

Tim finally moves on from being a leftover Robin and adopts a Dragon-themed Motif and goes by the name Wyvern or something.

He becomes the Bat-Family Supernatural specialist and joins Justice League Dark / Forms a Teen Titans-alike Supernatural team.

Not really, it's a better Bat-book than anything DC has released since then.

Didn't he get the back of his head burned off?

just give him a good writer who'll write fun mysteries

Get Bendis to write.
Tim realizes all of his dramas, worries and failed relationships are due to his repressed feelings.
Tim finally admits to himself and comes out to everyone else that he's actually transgendered.

Comic covers the social and emotional issues Tim encounters while being a transitioning Super-hero.
Early issues covering him 'coming out' to the other bat-family members.
Dick is supportive, Jason doesn't really care.
Damian playfully makes fun of the whole thing.
Cass seemed ambivalent and Stephanie offers Tim the Bat-Girl mantle.
He tries on the costume - but declines instead deciding to go by 'Robyn'.
Batman already knew.

Compare it to the Bat books that were coming out at the same time if you want to actually be fair
>Morrison's B&R
>Elegy
>Dini's 'Tec
>Gotham City Sirens
>BQM's Batgirl
>Black Mirror
It was painfully mediocre. Also, DC has definitely released better Bat books since then
>Court of Owls
>Batman Incorporated
>Grayson
>Tomasi/Gleason B&R (admittedly hit or miss)
>Robin: SOB
>Gotham Academy
>Valentine's Catwoman

Whether I like this idea or not, who would be on supernatural titans? I'll include tim for hypothetical's sake.
>Drake
>Raven
>Kid Eternity
>Red Devil
>Hawk and Dove
>Phantasm

One year ago i was sure he would eventually get a solo together with Spoiler, nowadays i think he will be Tynion's pet forever

If he will ever get a team book with his old pals i hope they will change the name from Young Justice to something else, the characters are older now, they should start to seek their own identity, but they'll never do it since they have a cartoon with that name
Maybe re-using the name Outsiders for this wouldn't be bad

Well, unless the JL will be separeted in more than one book then four months from now the only team books DC will be selling are JL and The Terrifics with no young teams at all, i don't think they don't want to cover that space

Have him stop being a bigger Robin, for one thing, he adopts the name Red X but with the Savior costume because the Savior costume is cool but Savior is such a faggy fucking name and basically do all of this and new YJ would be in the same tone as old YJ so he's not miserable and boring, also he dates Kon and they love each other very much and never break up. Also perhaps his relationship with Bruce deteriorates and he becomes okay with killing over time, not necessarily turning into Titans Tomorrow Tim but just picking up the slack since Jason turned into a pussy. Have him be morally grey because he's basically a more mild-mannered, nerdier Dick when he's not being edgy. I like edgy Tim, it makes him more interesting.

Alternately, this is a much more lame idea, but I'd make him the leader of Teen Titans again and have Damian stick to Super Sons since the Teen Titans are shitcunts to him and Supersons is way better in general.

I mean Teen Titans already sucks so why not. I could see that actually happening much more than I could most of the ideas ITT. Unless it gets canned after No Justice.

I don't discuss comics outside of Sup Forums since most forums are full of retards, people who only care about power level faggotry and people with DBZ avatars who can barely speak english but could they actually make Tim gay/bi without much outrage?

Would anyone really care aside from dudes in their late 30s who used to read his solo back in the day? I imagine if they slowly brought Kon and Tim together that no one would really care.

Give him back to Yost

awful

This

Give him a new name

A bird-y one, like The Wren or something.

Make him lead the YJ4 and some extras like Jaime Blue Beetle and Ravager as the head of Young Justice/The Outsiders/a new JLI

The problem with this idea is that it fundamentally impossible to stop DiDio from turning Tim into Azrael if you do this. He loves shoehorning pre-existing characters into different roles and it never works.