Flag Smasher. What a concept. He's a shitty Captain America villain who's shown up like 3 times (more) and done precisely jack shit. He's an anti-nationalist supervillain that hates all symbols of nationality and stuff like that.
... So where is he? With Marvel's recent agenda and style he should be somewhere at least. His views are so topical and so modern (not saying I support him, or Marvel's agenda) that Marvel should have written him to be at least a mildly important character in CWII or something like that, but they just leave this amazing concept dead. Hell, make him anyone's villain. I just love this concept and I wish somebody would do something with him. Fuck.
He clashed with Deadpool and appeared for a single issue in Spencer's FalCap. Flag-Smasher is honestly a GOAT-Tier Iron Man or Cap Villain, but nobody knows what to do with him.
Leo Myers
YOU CAN'T SMASH FLAGS
IF YOU HIT A FLAG EITH A MACE IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING
Sebastian Russell
"Oh he actually isn't dead because (time travel/CWII/generic comic excuse) I'm not saying this would be a good thing but since when has death ever stopped anyone.
John Davis
>try it on an American flag >FBI are now at my door t-thanks
Anthony Nguyen
I remember he appeared in Sam Wilson: Captain America recently. He was trying to get Sam and Steve to join him on his flag hating crusade by taking a politician hostage.
Adrian Cruz
blue beetle
Asher Reed
I'd say pair him up with Cap again and make him seem like less of a bad guy and more of a "hey this guy has a few points" kind of character, maybe start him off with doing something subtle that gains him a lot of support from the woke globalist youth or whatever and have him fight Cap. I'd like for him to be a main Sam Wilson villain or something.
Benjamin Mitchell
because liberal writers are actually authoritarians (liberal economists basically support fascism). having him be a villain would mean delving in to political thought and, you know, actually requiring the writer to think about stuff.
DC could do the same with Swamp-Thing, Aquaman and Poison Ivy by making them eco-terrorists, but that might rock the boat if they fought corporations and unregulated capitalism
Carson Campbell
What a dull look. I hate modern cape designs.
Nathan Bailey
>trips
i mean think about it. if all the nations' flags of the world were thrown in a heaping bonfire, the world would be a better place. we all fucking know it. honestly flag smasher could easily be a good guy.
Michael Gray
rip sweet prinse.
That looks really cool actually, i'll try and check that out. It seems I am as smart as a Marvel writer.
I suppose so, it's sad though. Criticism is just criticism in the end, and clinging on to dear life like Marvel is now by trying to please everyone but subsequently failing cannot be a nice way to live. I just hope things change for them soon, and they find some way to get back to their old standards.
Grayson Johnson
>trying to please everyone
marvel isn't doing that though. they're only pleasing their bosses' agenda because they were specifically hired for agreeing with said agenda
>and they find some way to get back to their old standards
but when was the last time there were standards? was it when there was an entirely different group of people there? that means that the people there now never had standards in the first place. what's worse is that any new audience/consumers will also have low standards
Jackson Bailey
Excuse my poor phrasing, I mean that they're trying to please everyone but are actually pleading the minority that are left, who subscribe to ""one"" viewpoint, but whenever they do something mildly ""wrong"" they lose even more.
I don't care how they return to what they were, if it means firing everyone they have currently and rehiring everyone they had before, then yes. Standards wasn't the best word either.
Christopher Campbell
Ivy is a fucking ecoterrorist though. She just gets redeemed occasionally because waifufags.
Kayden Robinson
He showed up in Nick Spencer's Captain America run. Although he was actually an LMD controlled by Captain Hydra.
William Hernandez
Gruenwald created a bunch of characters who explicitly represented political beliefs, with Flag Smasher representing Anarchism. Even though Captain America is intrinsically political, no cape writers want to get political, because all the writers at Marvel are brainlets who can't comprehend anything beyond "drumpf bad". Characters like Flag Smasher, Superia and Madcap just sit in comic limbo. Americop was used a few years ago, representing police brutality, but it really just went nowhere.
Easton Garcia
>no cape writers want to get political Where were you in the last 5 years?
Sebastian Roberts
turning cap into a nazi for shock value doesn't count
Camden Adams
He IS interesting and in a long term utopian sense he is also kinda RIGHT but his mission is always misinterpreted & acting like a terrorist doesn't help either. Gru even showed this when he was fighting Cap & goobers in the crowd were calling him a commie and was aghast "No I'm NOT a communist, I oppose them TOO!"
In the hands of a good writer he could be to leftist extremism what the Red Skull is to right wing fanaticism but that would imply the left is wrong about ANYTHING & that just ain't gonna happen...
Dylan Gomez
Well guys like Gruenwald didn't agree with the extremist rhetoric (hence him being a villain). Modern writers, being anywhere from DemSocs to socialists to to full-on commies, probably agree with him wholeheartedly but even they (or editors) realize that trying to portray him as a positive or heroic character would bring a hurricane sized shitstorm that they don't want to deal with.
Tyler Edwards
The issue is that you've already got Ghost representing anarchism and Ghost is more popular. You could find a place for Flag-Smasher by giving him a different anarchistic ideal; Flag-Smasher is anti-national globalist while Ghost is primarily anti-corporation so you've already got some differences. Flag-Smasher is harder to pin down on the anarchism scale, he's clearly some kind of collectivist anarchist, while Ghost is very much an individualist anarchist, to the point Ghost can be seen as a right-wing anarchist.
By that Snopes article the USSR wasn't socialist either.
Fascism is a third position, like anarchism.
Sebastian Roberts
Deadpool murdered like 8 of him. In the run they just selected a new Flag Smasher from one of the nooks each time.
Nolan Bennett
>YOU CAN'T SMASH FLAGS Well not with that attitude.
Nathan Murphy
It's a "Donald Trump is a fascist." episode.
Jayden Brooks
This is why his last appearance was Spencer going through the motions of having a far-left villain to "balance" all the right-wing villains he was using, but Sam, Steve, and Rick Jones were all openly agreeing with his goals and rhetoric, only objecting to his methods.
And then they revealed he was just an android that Hydra Cap was using as part of his bigger plan, so he wasn't even a REAL far-left villain.
Caleb Parker
Domino killed the original Flag Smasher back in the Cable & Deadpool series. He led a terrorist group called ULTIMATUM, it seemed that after his death, every new leader took on the Flag Smasher identity, until Deadpool wiped out the entire group.
Brody Phillips
>Not wetting and freezing your flags and then smashing them
Get a load of this fag!
Oliver Rivera
Are you this much of a faggot?
Flag Smasher was a terrorist that made it his purpose to show the people of the world that the concept of nationality was destructive and useless, and that the entire political structure in place was easy to destroy. He was listed as one of the top 3 most dangerous terrorists on earth. One of his henchman was the first man Cap killed after being unfrozen, which fucked him up. Smasher himself has been able to face off hand to hand against Steve and actually almost win.
Just because he hasn't been used for a while and some shitty new writers decided he suddenly isn't a threat anymore doesn't make him any less threatening. OP is an enormous faggot who doesn't read comics.
Henry Gomez
>openly agreeing with his goals and rhetoric, only objecting to his methods. That was the Bombshells, who really need a second appearance.
Easton Murphy
i liked his costume but...but i just realized its space ghost
Blake Evans
I would so read a comic where the heros and villains had well thought out differences of views on the world and how to go about doing it. While being able to find common ground on the issues at hand.
Ryan Sanders
nazism, fascism and socialism are all collectivist in nature. the real struggle is collectivism vs individualism.
Landon Martin
>Snopes >Newsweek >Indy100
It's like you want to be made a fool of.
Jonathan Sanchez
He shows up every now and then.
Elijah Brown
Ghost is anti-corporation. Flag-smasher is anti-nationalism. One hates the public sector controlling everything while the other hates the private sector controlling everything. They're both anarchists, but their targets are different.
Colton Russell
I think the issue is that we haven't seen Flag-Smasher's opinion on corporations. Ghost exhibited some anti-government views during his stint on T-Bolts. I'm not familiar with his appearances during the 80s, but modern Flag-Smasher could easily be turned into an An-Cap based on his recent appearances.
Kayden Mitchell
Flag Smasher's future is really the future where superpowers would take the world. The modern state relies on having if not a monopoly, a plurality of force to weild against dissidents. And on the other side building institutions so it doesn't have to use the stick on people.
But Superpowers just change the game entirely. Anybody can get powers, and people who don't understand a situation default to direct action. They don't care about diplomacy, rule of law, innocent until proven guilty, glances of power, realpolitik, etc. That isn't even taking into account all the radicals that could get powers and will want to force their view into power by force, not voting.
The modern nation state really couldn't survive without up gunning, and instead it would be the rule of individuals lucky enough to get power.
Logan Young
FS would be a great movie Cap villain. He could literally say that the government had Nazis all over the fucking place for decades, probably making many laws and amendments utilized by our country.
Brody Murphy
>i liked his costume but...but i just realized its space ghost
You mean Batman without ears?
Liam Brown
Wasn't there a female one when Secret Wars was ramping up in Hickman's Avengers?
Nolan Ramirez
That was plain old Smasher, a Shi'ar legacy hero.
James Powell
You mean Ultra Boy from the LSH?
Ian Williams
Ah ok, same color scheme right?
Luke Watson
>DC could do the same with Swamp-Thing, Aquaman and Poison Ivy by making them eco-terrorists I mean, Aquaman, Poison Ivy, and Animal Man have all engaged in acts of eco-terrorism. Animal Man supported Green Peace!
Connor Perry
Madcap is Deadpool's archenemy now.
John White
DeMatties introduced a new far-left Cap villain called Everyman, but then he was brainwashed into being a Nazi or something.
Angel Miller
Don't be an idiot.
Ayden Sanders
>because liberal writers are actually
Evan Long
>"Get a load of this fag!" >not "Get a load of this flag!"
