How is it compared to DD or JJ?

How is it compared to DD or JJ?

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I never got the hype for Daredevil S1. Shit was boring and convoluted. S2 was better. Never watched JJ.

DD S2>>LC>>>DD S1>>>>Everything else, it doesn't matter since they're all non-canon

Villain is the only thing good in this.

DD S2 > DD S1 > Punisher > JJ = Defenders > IF > LC

Best soundtrack bar none. Good supporting characters mostly. They fucked up Luke in writing and casting

Better than JJ, has the issue with all the Netflix Marvel shows in that drops the ball at the end, but I personally thought it stayed pretty good until episode 10. Whether or not you'll actually like the episodes after Cottonmouth dies depends entirely on how you feel about Diamondback as a character.

Cottonmouth was a good villain, but the star of the show was Shades.

Mixed feelings on Fancy Dan. It's good to see Fancy Dan in ANYTHING, but still.

its really good!
JJ or DD(first series) good until about half way through and they introduce a new villian that basically ruins everything destroys the pacing and takes it into the flash levels of shit

but the first half is pretty much the best supes tv youve seen , like JJ
also charles bradley is in it. RIP

It drops like a fuckin' rock after episode seven. Otherwise, those first seven are alright. Better than Daredevil, but not as good as Jessica Jones.

Daredevil S02 E01-4 > Jessica Jones = The Punisher > Luke Cage E01-07 > Daredevil S1 > Luke Cage = Daredevil S2 (Seriously, fuck The Hand) > The Defenders > Iron Fist

Diamondback introduction just felt rushed, and you cant really get to like him. Its like they were trying to press up a plot for two seasons in one.

I wish he would stop whining about being bulletproof for 5 seconds and would continue cleaning up Harlem the Luke way. I've basically given up on these shows, they've all been going downhill

ive literally been on netflix just to listen to the intro

its FUCKING LIT
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Well at least he didnt go around telling white people to use their privilege like in defenders.

If I found the other shows to be plodding would the same apply here?

no because only half the series is worth watching

I want to slap whoever wrote that scene. Danny Rand is perhaps the worst character you could have pulled the race card on

>They fucked up Luke in writing and casting
sweet christmas!
stfu

Test.

>DDS2
this is a meme right? literally the destroyer of franchises electra in the S2 and it turns into gotham quality ninjas .
fuck right off with that shit

DDs2 or as i like to call it punisher S0.5 is only good untill punisher is arrested then its abhorrant some of teh worse power rangers garbo out there

OFFICIAL 2018 NETFLIX MARVEL TV SERIES POWER RANKINGS

1. Daredevil Season 2, Episodes 1-4
2. Daredevil Season 1
3. Luke Cage Season 1, Episodes 1-7
4. Jessica Jones
5. Daredevil Season 2, Episodes 5-13
6. Defenders
7. Luke Cage Season 1, Episodes 8-13
8. Iron Fist

id actually put luke cage and jessica jones above dd because there isnt another single marvel or ANY tv series on netflix pretty much or the world that has half decently written female characters or black ones

>For months Sup Forums talks about Danny coming to terms with his social class during his time with Luke Cage being a major part of his character
>Someone writes a scene about it and Sup Forums flips its shit about Danny being confronted about his social class

YO! BLACK LIGHTNINGS BACK YALL!

Why are people always ranking IF under Defenders?
Defenders is the worst shit ever done by netflix, bad acting, plot is a mess and scrambled up while IF while its bad as a whole at least has some good scenes.

>Why are people always ranking IF under Defenders?

Because Defenders kind of works if you shut your brain down and just watch it for the fight scenes and the banter. it's not good, but as a pure lizard-brain thing it's fine.

IF can't even work on that level, and it's five episodes longer to boot.

DD S1 > Pun > JJ > LC > DD S2 > IF > Def

Because it's about three hours shorter than Iron Fist, that's why.

Also, fuck you, Iron Fist had no good scenes, only tolerable ones that only seemed good because they were surrounded by crap.

>DDs2 or as i like to call it punisher S0.5 is only good untill punisher is arrested then its abhorrant some of teh worse power rangers garbo out there

Exactly. First four episodes? Pretty fucking GREAT and amazingly self-contained.

Then the rest of the season happens and the fuckin' Hand shows up and it just fuckin' draaaags with bullshit no one gave a shit about. Then that shit is all over The Defenders and drags that potential of a crossover down with it.

just fucking call a spade a spade
BADLY WRITTEN FEMALE CHARACTERS SUB PLOT LOVE INTEREST
electra ruined the movie, she ruined the series she ruined the comic. end of

>First half
Legitimately good television
>Second Half
omg wtf is this boring cheesy garbage

>electra ruined the movie

Garner was the only actor trying outside of Duncan. I can see why they wanted to give her a spinoff even if it ended up fucking terrible.

>she ruined the series

Because the writers pissed away her characterisation to turn her into some bland doomed waifu who's torn between the men in her life and needs to be saved by Matthew-senpai. just like my wapanese animes.

> she ruined the comic

lel sure thing buddy

>Because the writers
that's what i said, cunt.

I thought the action was trash and Luke was extremely boring to watch.

The only good scene in IF is the old combat footage of a different fist

It's great, my favorite one of the netflix ones. There's an abrupt tone shift between the first 2/3rds and the last few eps, which puts a lot of people off, but I thought that shit was dope. It starts off as an actually thoughtful narrative about coming to terms with possessing power, but still having to earn status. Then the last part turns into a fucking comic book and there a fistfight with a dude in a juggernaut helmet...

But I mean that as a complement. Of all of the netflix marvel, Luke Cage was the one that was least afraid to actually be like fucking comics, serious and thought provoking one moment, ridiculous and over the top the next.

Fight scenes aren't as good as DD but I think the story flows a bit better than JJ

Back to Sup Forums with you.

>Luke Cage was the one that was least afraid to actually be like fucking comics
It literally has nothing to do with comics.

Mike Colter was really afraid to play Luke Cage because comic books made him cringe and claimed that if it'd be anything like comics he'd walk away.

>Luke Cage was the one that was least afraid to actually be like fucking comics

Every time Elektra and the Hand showed up I was annoyed. Not only did the Hand look like fucking Dollar Tree tier shit, but I was way more invested in the Punisher storyline than those dumb kids and cheap ninja.

It was like they were two completely different shows shoved together. I'm still not sure if Elektra and the Hand being so shit made all of the Punisher stuff look better by comparison, or vice versa.

I still haven't seen Defenders and likely never will if it's just a continuation of what ruined DDs2.

Well regardless of intent, it still ended up being an over the top fist fight between two people with a contrived rivalry and ridiculous outfits.

That's comic book as fuck

>hurf durf burf Elektra killed S2
No, what killed S2 and Defenders is the lack of based DeKnight and fucktards Doug Petrie and Ramirez who literally cite Lost as their primary inspiration for writing. Even with Punisher shit S1 of DD is still the best capeshit show ever and we all know how underwhelming Punisher's own show ended up being.

Let's be honest folks, we haven't had a single ABC-Netflix capeshit TV since Daredevil S1, there is just something that keeps them one step short from becoming great. In my opinion, it's people parading Jessica Jones and Luke Cage around like best thing since DD S1 when they are clearly not.

Actually, that's just blaxploitation hood fight and Diamondback's outfit was designed to look like boxer's (especially helmet) to reflect on his past. Comic books aren't inherently about flashy faggots duking it out, pick up a comic for once in your life.

>end of
Shit, Frank got em

> and we all know how underwhelming Punisher's own show ended up being

citation fucking needed lad

> it's people parading Jessica Jones and Luke Cage around like best thing since DD S1 when they are clearly not.

I'd argue Jessica Jones is at least equal to DD S1.

>I'd argue Jessica Jones is at least equal to DD S1.
Maybe if it was six episodes long.

>citation fucking needed lad
Before you go retarded like "hurr durr memecritic" I don't say Metacritic is an objective indicator of how good show is, you asked for citation and I think this shows that some people other than me did in fact think Punisher is rather underwhelming like I did. Personally I disliked just about everything they did to Frank's character as it wasn't one bit like comics or hell even DD S2 and there was too little action, and whenever action did happen it just felt like it needed to be more gruesome and more bloody than it actually was.

>I'd argue Jessica Jones is at least equal to DD S1.
Well, thanks for making my explanation seem like a waste of time.

I liked the languid pace though, it fit with the character-based noir style of storytelling.

>Before you go retarded like "hurr durr memecritic" I don't say Metacritic is an objective indicator of how good show is, you asked for citation and I think this shows that some people other than me did in fact think Punisher is rather underwhelming like I did.

Yeah that's actually a fair point.

>Personally I disliked just about everything they did to Frank's character as it wasn't one bit like comics or hell even DD S2 and there was too little action, and whenever action did happen it just felt like it needed to be more gruesome and more bloody than it actually was.

>Personally I disliked just about everything they did to Frank's character as it wasn't one bit like comics or hell even DD S2 and there was too little action, and whenever action did happen it just felt like it needed to be more gruesome and more bloody than it actually was.

I understand why Frank superfans didn't like the show since it was more of a weird meta-commentary about how fucked-up the concept of the character is then a straight Frankening series, but I enjoyed as another psychological character-focused thriller from one of the main writers of Hannibal that just happened to star Frank.

>Well, thanks for making my explanation seem like a waste of time.

Look I liked DD S1 a lot, but when I re-watched it and JJ S1 the flaws stuck out a lot more for me in terms of the weird plotting decisions, which is more of an issue when your show is more about plot then character.

I had the exact opposite with DD, re-watching it only solidified it as an generally well put together show EXCEPT for one thing, Ben Urich did fuck all and died to give Karen Page his role in the comics. But he actually literally achieved fuck all in the plot overall.

And no surprises here, it was revealed that character's death was commissioned by Marvel.

>it was revealed that character's death was commissioned by Marvel.

WHAT!?
Why?

cinemablend.com/television/Why-Daredevil-Chose-Kill-Off-Such-An-Important-Character-71539.html
>DeKnight explained that the idea was actual Marvel’s and was decided long before he had even signed on.
Also, never post that disgusting atrocity of a comic ever again. Jesus Christ the fuck is wrong with their faces. Power Man and Iron Fist was a fucking mistake and a disgrace, when I saw Tarantula I actually had an urge to burn this comic written by an actual retard who has never picked up a comic in his life for retards who never picked up a comic in the lives.

>Cottonmouth was the only thing good in this
ftfy

>Frank wasn't one bit like the comics
Instead of narrating in his head he talked.
2 hours late but what exactly about Frank was so different from the comics?

Jessica Jones is shit and I hate that I fell for the "it's a good show" meme.
Writers of Hannibal should've been put on Jessica Jones instead. At least they can make a good, actually frightening villain which is what a work of psychological thriller like that requires.

Cottonmouth is unironically the best Netflix Marvel villain. It's too bad he didn't last till the end of the season.

Cottonmouth was alright for the show's context, but was nothing like comics Cottonmouth.

>Good supporting characters mostly

I disagree. They butchered Misty Knight and treated everyone else with horrible writing. The whole prison arc is good and dramatic in the comics but fucking shit on the show.

Why didnt they keep Diamondback (and Luke for that matter) as people from the streets? The whole brothers from church wedlock shit was gay as fuck and didnt fit the overall thematic arc.

Mike Colter is a horrible actor and the writing on the show was shit too. Why would Luke complain about being bulletproof? The comics at least had him worried about being framed for a crime he didnt commit.

Because it doesnt fit within the context of the shows and the characters. First of all, Luke shouldnt talk like that and Danny and Luke's friendship should be more. Second, they made Luke into a country boy who grew up in a church, so why the fuck would he talk about privilege?

>Luke was extremely boring to watch

yeah because it was nothing like the comics. Comics Luke has a ton of personality while this shit is like the exact opposite.

Mike Colter was HORRIBLE pick for Cage, and fucking the need to make Jessica Jones the "rebel" of the Defenders forced Luke Cage to have no personality.

>Luke Cage was the one that was least afraid to actually be like fucking comics, serious and thought provoking one moment, ridiculous and over the top the next.

fuck this

the show felt like a politically correct take on Luke Cage, stripping all the interesting things about him, his origins, his supporting cast and villains and turning it into something completly different.

Comics Luke Cage has a great origin and arc that easily could've been fleshed out and made for dramatic tv. People always call it corny blaxploitation, but the early issues were darker and street level.

>Mike Colter was really afraid to play Luke Cage because comic books made him cringe and claimed that if it'd be anything like comics he'd walk away.

How the fuck did a guy who hates doing action get a role of Power Man?

>I was so against it,I revisit the feeling I had, that first initial look at the character, trying to figure out the research and the character, who this is guy this, and I’m like, ‘I don’t want any part of this.’ I couldn’t think of anything that I didn’t want to do more. I didn’t want to do anything physical, a role where it relied on power and all the stuff like that. And also, I didn’t know how the character would be written, I didn’t know what this character was going to be like. It just seemed limiting. I just thought, ‘What could I do with this?’ I hadn’t seen any material yet. The idea of the character made me cringe

These are his actual words. Worst casting pick ever, and I bet it's because he was chosen for Jessica Jones by her showrunner. Imagine if Cage's show came first was able to pick his actor.

mcuexchange.com/mike-colter-describes-his-initial-concern-with-playing-luke-cage/

First half is great.

Second half is a lot less great.

First half of DDS2 > DDS1 > First half of LC > JJ > Second half of LC > IF > Second half of DDS2

Since people almost never bring it up, what does Sup Forums think about Netflix' Jigsaw?

I don't know, did you see the the part where Jessica tossed Elektra around like a chihahilua acting up? Lol

>let's cast Sigourney Weaver as an insanely powerful international crime lord
>let have her do fucking nothing, be talked shit about and die like a bitch
I'm still mad.

Who said anything about afraid of playing ACTION scenes?

Maybe you should looks at oh Luke used to look in the comic

I assume we include the prison scenes in DDS2 as part of the first half? Otherwise I'm inclined to agree, just slide Defenders in there equal to Iron Fist.

>Who said anything about afraid of playing ACTION scenes?

See He didn't want to do action.

Better than JJ. Similar to DD2 in that the last few episodes leave a bad taste in your mouth after having a great start.

>And no surprises here, it was revealed that character's death was commissioned by Marvel.

What? Stop spreading lies. They just killed him off for cheap drama not because Marvel had a hit out on the character.

In a later interview with someone involved with the show, they regretted killing him because by the time that scene was filmed, the Spider-Man deal went through. If they had known beforehand, they would not have killed that character off (or probably even use him for Daredevil).