Zack Snyder was fired from the DCEU just over 1 year ago:

>Since I’m shifting into DGAF mode, here’s a hot one for ya: Zack Snyder was fired from the DCEU just over 1 year ago. Couldn’t write it ~quite~ that way at the time, but was able to tapdance around it — Josh L. Dickey (@JLDlite)

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Just like Autumn. Zack Falls

Who the hell was the dumbfcuk who thought it was a good idea to hire sucker punch director for MoS? And why they gave him control of BvS after MoS barely making a profit and being shamed by critics and Justice League after MoS flopped and got even a worse score?

His wife is a producer for WB. Hollywood nepotism in action.

Wow that’s deep. Way better than anything Zack wrote

Suicide Squad’s Oscar and Wonder Woman’s success was played up as a Zack win since he was tangentially connected to both productions feeding into

>Josh L. Dickey
the greatest man who ever lived

but the damage is already done

Everyone already assumed that.

Everyone who has any degree of sense, at least. Only hardcore Snyderfags figured it wasn't over.

MOS was made in a hurry to keep the rights of the movie away from the FAMILY of the creator of the character. They picked any guy that they found for the job.

Turns out that building an universe in a movie made to FUCK WITH THE FAMILY OF THE CREATOR OF SUPERMAN, ended up cursing the entire universe.

"And with this move, I cripple an entire franchise!"

Hollywood Execs don't know comics. So they figured they'd hire any director who did.

Zack said, "Hey, I skimmed a few comics once", and BOOM.

It's almost enough to make you believe in Karmic Justice.

and people seriously believe DC isn't the worst fucking company on the fucking planet

People don’t give a shit

Both companies are pretty terrible in their practices, it just changes every five years which company is being a bigger asshole.

Meanwhile all the other publishers just chill.

Reminder that Jim Starlin received more money for KGBeast's role in BvS than any of his contributions to the MCU put together.

>Plans were already in place to have Zack leave since before his Daughter's death

>Leaves months after her death for "grieving".

I don't know what makes me more angry. The fact that such an obvious lie was shoved in our faces, or the fact that Snyder used mourning over his daughter as an excuse just to avoid mockery for being let go.

Try harder ladder bro

Is ladderbro this comicvine fag?

Swing and a miss, I'm ladderbro. Or used to be.

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I'm the asshole that makes him choke with impotent nerd-fury.

Warner Bros could call Warner whores, they sell for any one that has 30 coins

Seeing this actress I'm sure they are.

stop talking to yourself ladderbro

WB killed his daughter for nothing since the movie still sucked

You can't turn a bad movie good by replacing a few minutes of the scene

No, his wife (and Zack) run a production company called Cruel and Unusual Films (with business partner Wesley Coller), which produces the DCEU.

Cruel and Unusual Films produces the DCEU because Cruel and Unusual Films pitched the DCEU to WB originally, following the unexpected success of Man of Steel (which had itself been commissioned from Cruel and Unusual Films/Zack Snyder by WB, and was basically Snyder's original work).

They're producers because they put up both the concept (which WB accepted) and the money (which studios don't put up 100% of, ever, on a film with this sort of budget class). Without them, there would be no DCEU - because of the failure of in-house effort Green Lantern and the end of the relationship between previous partners Legendary Pictures and WB after the Dark Knight movies (and sundry smaller subsequent pictures, including Man of Steel).

Cruel and Unusual Films was founded with money earned by the Snyders and Coller, and exists to invest that money in film projects and provide production services (finance, oversight, financial oversight, creative, creative oversight, etc etc) which, necessarily, are provided by its three major employees - Zack and Deborah Snyder, and Wesley Coller.

tl;dr finding Coca-cola on sale in McDonald's isn't evidence of nepotism, it's evidence of supply contracts

Whedon reshot like half of it and probably more

Didn't work

You forget Goyer, who was made to rush out a script so they could start shooting a movie to keep the Superman rights

They shopped it around but nobody wanted to touch the script except Snyder and so the nail was hammered in the coffin

I also found out that Nolan didn't even initially push for Zach like it's reported, he was like the fifth or sixth director for MoS. Everybody else wanted out.

also Snyder got on board before Goyer was even finished writing

Nope.

MoS was made because the courts had awarded 50% of the rights to the estate of Jerry Siegel (in 2008), with a previous decision having decided that the Siegel estate (in 2006) had in fact owned the Superboy rights since 2004 (when the previous, legal owners' rights were surrendered - well after the start of Smallville, and the various disputes being the reason Clark didn't wear the gimp suit until the last episode).

That was overturned in early 2013, shortly before the release of Man of Steel, which was made not to bogart but to scuttle the rights entirely.

In the context of Superman, WB never actually made a Superman movie until 2006. They released four, but those were made by the Salkind family (for the first three, and Supergirl as well) and the last by Cannon Films (makers of ultra-cheap shitfests) after the Salkinds sold on the rights (retaining Superboy, which got a fairly successful show in the early 90s that WB tried, and succeeded, in killing; the Salkinds also retained Supergirl.)

This was because of a decision WB made decades previous to sell the rights to production companies - which is why the 1966 Batman show was the only Batman until 1989.

But when the rights came back, WB made Superman Returns, and it flopped. The brand - pretty much worthless in film since the mid-80s, though fondly remembered - seemed dead.

However, since WB didn't own 50% of the rights and it was conceivable that a new movie or show *could* make money, to avoid loss of earnings suits (which might also influence WB's appeal over ownership) they decided to make MoS. But bad. Super awful. So it wouldn't make money, and they could say "we tried".

Then they got the rights back. Then MoS made money. Suddenly the world stopped making sense. And that's how the DCEU was born.

All of Snyders films were GOAT. You weak minded peasants simply couldn't accept that

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Goyer's actually a relatively solid choice - knows comic books, has a reasonable track record for profitable scripts, including some very profitable and recent Batman outings.

Shitty script, but eh.

Justice League had already begun production when BvS dropped. By the time they realized they were in trouble it was too late to pull out of the tailspin.
Because a wait and see approach wsn't going to get them to Avengers money any faster.

Neat
Now can you explain why Star Wars was so bad too?

No shit he was fired, who the hell would fall for that bs about it being his daughter (from the 2nd out of three marriages)that he was never in her life with that suicided 6 months before he "step down"
The only reason he was given such mercy was because they knew firing his ass outright would have killed sales for WW, JL and AM

>Without them, there would be no DCEU
that be such a better world, Batman and Superman could just be seen as cult classic heroes rather than the laughing stock those films made them.

>Everybody else wanted out.
can you blame them?

Disney doesn't understand what made the prequels bad so they will just double down on the original trilogy and mix in what works with the MCU. Add in Abrams still hasn't learned anything from Lost, and execs trying to use it to push an agenda, you get a confusing mess that is trying to do the same thing while having a ton that feels nothing like the original. Disney is really confused by this so they would rather double down and blame the fans than admit that they have no idea what to do with the IP.

>Cruel and Unusual
Well at least their movies are true to the production company name.

because they know what everyone else with a brain knows

DC is shit at the source so it's impossible to make anything good with it

>Cursed universe

This some Multiversity shit.

IT wasn't his fault though. HE was hired to give its own vision about something and he provided.

>SEETHING

>DC is shit at the source so it's impossible to make anything good with it
The two Burton's Batman movies were good. And Dark Night was also good. Very first Batman movie was also good (for its time).

Conclusion: Batman is good, all the rest of DC is shit. A truth that everyone seems to know but no one seems to admit.

>Batman as far removed from the source material as possible is watchable
ftfy

Man of Steel made great opening weekend bank for 3 reasons:
1. The trailers are magnificent. You can accuse Snyder of a lot of shit (justly) but the man can make trailer material. The trailers advertise a movie with heart that doesn't exist outside the movie trailers though.
2. Pre-selling tickets way in front of release, when the Superhero thing was just taking flight.
3. Effective stifling of critical reviews, much more successfully than JUSTice League, which only left the trailers to speak for the movie.

Then people got in to see it, word-of-mouth spread and it was all ogre.

No they didn't want it because the producers are fucking nuts Kevin Smith paints a clear picture how things go when you try to pitch a cape film to WB.

That's the big takeaway they didn't learn from all this was that, yes, people will watch Batman and Superman on name alone but if you keep fucking shit up they will stop coming. It's what help Marvel stay above in sales and returns is they understood that if you fuck up the concept to much you lose sales.

You say "ogre" but I remember it as "well, what will it be next?"
The third act had let everyone down, but there was enough interesting in the film that my friends and I were curious as to how a sequel would go. The word of mouth wasn't terrible, just a bit confused, which is still better than terrible. There was hope that the sequel would solidify Man of Steel's shaky foundations and give us a great Superman film with the origin completed. Then the sequel was announced as bringing in Batman and that was when we realized it was ogre.

T'was a pity, because the world was ready again for another Donner-esque Superman.

Things are just as shit this decade as they were in 1978.

I about died when he talk to the producer about what after a long long time would become "Man of Steel"
>"Superman shouldn't have a cape"
>"What? Why?"
>"It's to faggy,
>"The cape is a big part of his lo-"
>"also he should kill a polar bear!"
>"Why?!?"
>"Polar Bears are apex predators!"

>because the world was ready again for another Donner-esque Superman
and they got it

>tl;dr finding Coca-cola on sale in McDonald's isn't evidence of nepotism, it's evidence of supply contracts
You are my favorite person on Sup Forums today

Was there a single character in the first film that wasn't butchered? I suppose they waited for the sequel to absolutely fuck up Lex Luthor.

The only people left anticipating more were kiddies overly impressed with Zimmer and Snyder's shot-framing (which looks like an amateur trying to ape a great director).

My old pops loves action films, he can sit through even dreck like the later Resident Evil and Underworld movies. He felt MoS just went on too long, and he never went to see the sequel.

>Goyer's actually a relatively solid choice - knows comic books
>who's Martian Manhunter?
>key JLA member for decades

He must read a lot of Marv

>liked MoS
>liked BvS
I atleast got two really great DC movies, so no complaints from me.

If enjoying terrible shit doesn't bother you, we won't let it bother us.

>I don't read comic books
we know, user

>DURRRR DC ANT THAK THNYTUR MAEK GUD MUBIETH

Ah yes, the "you don't read comics" even though MoS is an amalgamation of three or four Superman stories.

They were good. Sorry you didn't think so. But it's fun to see that even after all these years have gone by, MoS and BvS are still discussed daily.

COME TOGETHER

>Zack Snyder was fired from the DCEU

Man they killed his daughter just to make it look like he wasn't fired? Hardcore.

You've parroted this before and you were then like you are now, even if you've slightly altered your copy pasta:

C&U is a production company that was set up IN Warner Brothers:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_Unusual_Films

which is standard for studios. Clint Eastwood has 'his' company, Malpaso, also at WB. Steven Spielberg has 'his' production company, Amblin at Universal, even when he 'owned' Dreamworks SKG.

The Snyders have NO money except for fees paid to Zach, and salary to Deb, which initially came FROM WB for 300, and whatever profits were totally burnt up by the failure and losses from Sucker Punch.

For you to keep repeating your copy pasta (I noticed you dropped your Zach is the highest paid director in Hollywood) is absurd.

MoS cost more money than Zach and Deb claimed in income from 2004-2013.

Neither of them are listed among the richest people in Hollywood by Forbes. The Wall Street Journal/Dow Jones - Market Watch doesn't list them as the top 10 wealthiest director/producers:
marketwatch.com/story/10-richest-hollywood-movie-moguls-2015-02-12, the poorest of whom is worth 670. It would have cost the Snyders a good couple $100M to do MoS, which they don't have.

WB had the concept of a shared universe before Marvel, with Green Lantern, Batman Begins and SR, the story about the FU with Superman have a lot more to do with a lot of different things than people keep mouthing off here about the Siegel lawsuit.

They aren't even listed as POWERFUL producers by one of the TWO industry newspapers for film production on the planet, in 2015, before the implosion of BvS and MoS, even though MCU Feige is listed there, as is Charles Roven (as much for the Nolanverse as for his work as the ACTUAL PRODUCER for MoS, BvS and WW).

You are maybe 20% close with some of your assertions which otherwise have maybe 10% actual facts, 20 guesses over which the public/news reporters have no real knowledge and 50 total nonsense.

Sup Forums is literally the hub for taking the piss out of things. Being routinely raked over by Sup Forums is not the seal of approval.

But you tried, and deserve a (You) or two.

>Simpsons poster
That explains it.

That's tellin' em.

See his daughter who he hadn’t seen in over 2 years was already dead and buried for 6 months before he step down. This was them just trying to get him gone without broadcasting how shitty the films were going to be.

It didn't work. I saw JUSTice League, but it was with Ragnarok tickets.
Lelz were had.

Did they stick a jolly rancher in his mouth before he left?

"retiring to spend more time with family" has been a euphemism in the political arena for decades for "leaving on my own free will before I'm escorted out".

Snyder was shown the door but WB but for its own face-saving purposes couldnt reveal the no-confidence vote.

HOLY SHIT YOU GOT BTFO AGAIN
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MoS had interesting things in it. I agree with the first user about the pre-sales and the trailers. The trailers today, especially the kid with the towel, which isn't the kid Clark we end up seeing in the movie as just one example.

I personally liked what they did with Lois, although I disagree that one reporter, on her own, would have found all that out as easily as she did, but hey, that's Hollywood paring down multiple story-lines and complicated stories for a movie, when real life and investigative journalism don't work that way (a good example is the Boston Catholic parish movie whose name escapes me). It's not an issue for a superhero movie but any movie will take these short cuts.

I also liked that she met Clark, pre-Superman, and they didn't dance around with the whole Glatically Stupid Woman stuff.

But even before that last third there were problems. The messing up the semi-truck scene is just tone deaf. You might as well have Clark demolish a mom and pop business because most truck drivers are either employees and if he was the owner, you've just Effed up his means of making money big time. Sure, when I watched it, I liked that the a-hole got his comeuppance, but once you leave the theater, it does past the next day/water cooler test, and unlike the scene from Superman II, where Clark goes back to beat up the bad guy at the diner (which has the same sort of problems as the semi-truck), Clark didn't do anything in MoS to pay for the damages he knew he was making.

As for the sequel, there was anticipation until both making it a Batgod team-up, and a "versus" film especially with the SDCC tease using TDKR. That's when it lost some of the anticipation.

I was fucking right. All you faggots on this board that called me a conspiracy theorist got btfo.
Here's a Quick Rundown:
WB was pissed at Zack for BvS so they gave him one more chance for JUSTistce League, this time with more restrictions. When the movie failed to impress WB, they fired him and that's where Joss comes in. Think about it. Out of all the directors, why would Zack choose to invite Joss over when they both have uniquely different ways to approach capeshit. It was obvious that this decision was made by WB. Before WB can publicly fire Zack, his daughter an heroed, making Zack resign. (No I don;t think WB killed her. I'm not that autistic)This would save the trouble of fireing Zack since that would just give bad PR over a movie that was already shrouded in rumors of failure. Ironically most of the bad parts of the film was at the hands of Joss Whedon. For every 16 year old edgy scene Zack had, Wheadon had 2 more quipfests.
At the time it made sense for WB since they wanted to replicate the same success that the TDK trilogy had. When they had to change formula, WB got fucked since Zack refused to stop being an edgelord even if it meant fucking your chances at the box office.

I saw Ragnarok with JL tickets, so that evened it out.

BTW, am going to see BP with either Call Me By Your Name tickets or whatever Del Taco's movie is called.

>Superman 1 and 2,Batman,V of vendetta,constantine, tdk trilogy
ladderbro you are retarded, go back to comic vine

>I didn't read the thread and must autisticly screech

You have no effect to films that make easy millions and billions without trying. DCEU however needs every ticket it can get.

>not using jumanji tickets
It already surprassed Thor and Guardians 2 and soon will make more than homecoming

yeah it "evened out" that's why everyone in charge of DC has been fired and you aren't getting another piece of shit movie until FUCKING DECEMBER

it already has but that's more a TV thing than a cape thing.

>one more chance

The movie figuratively started FILMING the week after BvS came out.

The movie was in PRE-PRODUCTION, with a script WB signed off on, while people were bitching about Eisenberg's 'the red capes are coming' in the EFFING trailer (which WB also signed off on) and while people were also bitchiNG about Doomsday (remember those TMNT jokes BEFORE CHRISTMAS?).

WB should have taken six months off, but chose not to financial reasons that rewarded the studio head/production chief who are no longer there.

I do it by studio. Call Me is Sony, which makes me laugh. I forget who is doing Del Taco, but I'm pretty sure it's Focus, which is Universal, which I am less excited for since Minions and Fast & Furious.

I took six people, dude.

>MoS had interesting things in it
That's the problem, it wanted to be an interesting approach to Superman and certainly it was. Regardless of you liking or not we can a gree it was a refreshing new approach to Superman.
The mistake was to try to use this particular approach to build an entire franchise aimed for mainstream audience.

meanwhile Marvel is seeing 7 if you count all the Sony and Fox offerings.

>I took six people, dude.
Wow wee, that sure helps them close that almost 300 million gap.

Why, why can't WB just get it's shit together?

Do you think Snyder's personal cheerleader Mark Hughes is on suicide watch now? The lengths that autist will go to in order to defend Snyder's movies as misunderstood masterpieces are both sad and hilarious.

Your mentality caused Jumanji to beat guardians of the galaxy

samefag

who gives a shit they aren't going to be around much longer with all the money they're losing

there won't be a single movie they put out this year that won't bomb

Del Taco is Fox which is now Based Disney

Moral of the story - don't let crossfit/libertarian br0s direct super hero movies

No, people liking the film and going to see it did. The number of people doing ticket shuffles is small and not a major impact. Jumanji got a golden ticket with it playing it's comedy straight and TLJ shitting the bed so repeat viewings didn't happen and they saw the other big film of the month.

>the strong man who has known power all his life may lose respect for that power, but a weak man knows the value of strength, and knows compassion
WB has had lots of success in the past and assumed they could just waltz into a cinematic universe on a whim, Marvel Studios started with damned near nothing and basically built their franchise in a cave with a box of scraps.

>aren't going to be around much longer with all the money they're losing
They own Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. They may shrink but they won't die for a long time.

I didn't like it, that's not what I said.

Overall it struck me as Not Superman. It was more so-so science fiction.

My point was to agree with prior user above assertions that in the immediate aftermath of MoS, it wasn't a fully negative and some actual positive anticipation to a sequel.

Snyder and others from WB were even giving those quotes and interviews about responding to the disaster porn quotient and Superman's unwillingness to move the fight from civilization/high population areas, etc., until pic related become the reality.

That post MoS willingness to wait and see all changed even before the time ticket sales for BvS were available.

>now Based Disney

Not till mid-2019, if that, so the income will count to the Murdoch's, and it may not even happen, it might be Based Comcast/Universal.

I think you're forgetting the word of mouth that was Superman neck-snapping Zod. It's been a while since then but that did not go over well at all