For or against gay marriage

Were debating at university against, pls help

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i don't care who gets married
this issue is just a smokescreen

>i don't care who gets married
Same.

As long as humans are marrying humans, I'm okay with that. None of that shit where you marry a goat or something.

Pls elaborate we need more than that, thesis and argument

The biggest argument people against is their religion.

Religion and government must be separate.

Simple as that.

A child needs a mother and father figure, you cant have both. Or your child grows up to be a giant turbo faggot pushing for me quality.

Anti:
-marriage has been defined as the union of man and woman. you're basically redefining marriage to two people liking to fuck each other when it's much deeper than that

-opens the door for forcing Christian churches to marry gays (granting them full marriage rather than civil unions)

-opens the door for gay adoption, which fucks up kids because they don't have a male and a female role model so they end up emotionally retarded

Should brothers and sisters, fathers and daughters, aunts and nephews, grandfather and grandson etc be able to marry?
If they are over 18 and love each other they deserve the same rights as everyone don't they? Their love should be respected just like anyone else's?

>-opens the door for gay adoption, which fucks up kids because they don't have a male and a female role model so they end up emotionally retarded

Kids get raised by one parent all the time everywhere.

No one forces a priest to vow two people.

Marriage is about union, not fucking.

Why would a pair of gay men want to be married under a (Christian ceremony) when Christians have spent hundreds of years killing, insult and persecuting homosexuals?

Is it just a fuck you to the church? Why isn't the same pressure being applied to Imam's or Sikh temples or synagogues to perform same sex ceremonies?

using some fundamental logic rules...
jew implies gay
not gay implies hitler
therefore gay implies hitler

>Why isn't the same pressure being applied to Imam's or Sikh temples or synagogues to perform same sex ceremonies?
Your on to something here.

Holy shit, that's a good point

This. Remove government from the institution of marriage altogether. If you decide to get married you go to your church/temple/mosque/synagogue and you get married by your priest/rabbi/sheikh/monk. You retain the sanctitity and holiness of your marriage as it is now a private thing and gays shut the fuck up because all are equal before the law.

Why the state is involved in the relationship affairs of two people is beyond me. If two people decide to cohabitate with one another that is there choice. They are to arrange their finances and ownership issues between them and their lawyers. If they decide to pledge vows to their ancient god that is none of the states business.

The state is involved simply in who are the genetic parents of this citizen of ours who is under 18 and who is the legal protector of them. That's it.

Remove government from marriage and you suddenly appease both crowds but it will never happen, marriage is too big an industry for the government to ever walk away from. All those divorce courts, all those lawyers, all those people who have become hard niche workers in a small slimey industry. These are the same people as the estate planners who fight against repealing americas death tax. Never mind that it is a regressive and immoral tax, jobs will be lost and that will not do

Take government out of marriage. It's a social contract.

I don't need an argument
why would anyone care who gets married?

Marriage is a religious ceremony and should be kept that way.

Federal government should stop recognizing marriages all together and instead only recognize a civil union between two people.

Let religious institutions do what they want and gays are still recognized and have the same rights Separation between church and state. Problem solved.

why would you care who married a goat?

>Is it just a fuck you to the church? Why isn't the same pressure being applied to Imam's or Sikh temples or synagogues to perform same sex ceremonies?


Uh, whatever religion they are they will seek for that ceremony. And obviously some religions and regions are more tolerant to it than others. Don't know why you making this out to be a target against Christianity. I've def met my share of super religious super gay people.

this

In my religion goats are sacred.

Thesis: Dillegence is a virtue
Point 1: people who work instead of shitpost get jobs
Point 2: people who work instead of crowdsource are not parasites
Point 3:A culture of laziness is the greatest degeneracy

Get working boyo

Tax deductions

>Kids get raised by one parent all the time everywhere.
Yeah, and they usually turn out pretty shitty. You need both a male and a female adult presence in your life to turn out normal. Humans evolved this way because, spoiler alert, it fucking works.

No it's not, because it has nothing to do with gays. It's a perfect example of a slippery slope argument.

Perfect example of a slipper slope argument.

I'm an atheist who believes marriage should just be a religious tradition/institution.

Fags are heathens therefore I don't support it. But I really don't actually care, marry who you want it doesn't affect me.

Secular families should still get tax breaks though.


Marriage is also a fucking failure of an institution why anyone would do it is beyond me, especially a man in this day and age.

They should if they get sterilized. Can adopt thought.

No, my point is defending Christianity, because it's the only one in the media that is being harassed and demonised and pressured into accepting all this bullshit. No one dares threaten to take an Imam to court for refusing same sex ceremonies.

Christianity seems to be the easy target because GAYtheists and Jews are too cowardly to attack Shitslam or any other pooskin religion.

You know damn well that I'm right!

I think it's an abomination and to legitimize it makes God think we're a bunch of faggots deserving of a curse!

They're also all child molesters and shouldn't in anyway be allowed to adopt or raise children, it's disturbing as fuck.

youtube.com/watch?v=jjPQ_jVlEnQ

goodnight & good riddance

Against
Filiation gets fucked up as if you externalise the production of "your" baby you are :

-Making her/him lose track of one of her parents (mother or father) at least
-Enslaving 3rd world woman who just have their wombs to sell (see documentary Google babies)
-As a consequence, a human life is now a product, you can search for and find example of "externalised" babies abandoned because they did not fit the contract
-Even returned or re-sold babies sometimes


Fucked up things happen in normal relationship, but it's no reason to make fucked up things normal.

tbqhf idaf about what is sacred
I'm talking about hot goat puss and or hot goat dick

The entire point of marriage in the Western world is to normalize and promote monogamy, loyalty, the presence of a father figure and a mother figure for a child to make sure they grow up in the best environment, and to promote reproduction to create a propesrous society.

Gay relationships don't do any of that. They're practically never monogamous or loyal.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?uid=11501300&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google
>In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation.
>6% of married gays thought sexual fidelity was a neccesary part of marriage

nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html
>New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.

They don't normalize both a male and female presence during the growth of the child. Single mothers and non traditional relatinships often create broken children.

And they don't promote reproduction since gays can't have kids.

Not only that, but it creates a slippery slope where polygamy, and other sorts of relationships will eventually be added to the definition of "marriage"

Besides, civil unions exist as an alternative. There is no good reason for gay marriage to exist except fags wanting to feel better about themselves with a special status and getting tax benefits.

please extrapolate
the goat would be able to deduct more cans and shoes it had chewed?

>opens the door to gay adoption which fucks up children
incorrect, resources and family dynamic are what determines the well being of the child, not family structure
whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

More like because just gayness in general can get you killed in Islam areas..

Literally not an argument

>resources and family dynamic are what determines the well being of the child, not family structure

You really think not having a father or a mother in your life doesn't affect a child's development?

The entire reason why the West is full of whores and manchildren and millenials who lack values nowadays is because they were often raised by a single mother.

print this pic and translate.

Yeah exactly, but they still won't call it out, they flat out refuse to compel Islam to modernise, it is a direct attack on Christianity and only Christianity which shows that the Churches have been infiltrated by lefty Jew loving scum!

why is it that relatives cant legally have children because it can potentially result in disease or deformity, but we do not prevent people who have genetic diseases or deformities from having children?

sounds like some bullshit to me.

No but their arguments are just the same. Gays - We cannot help being attracted to the same sex, we don't get to choose who we love.
Incest - we cannot help being attracted to family members, we don't get to choose who we love.
Gays - It's consensual and we are not hurting anyone else, why do you care?
Incest - It's consensual and we are not hurting anyone else, why do you care?
Gays - We deserve the same rights as everyone else and the right to be happy without being discrimination.
Incest- We deserve the same rights as everyone else and the right to be happy without being discrimination.

for if it's conducted by the state and not by religion. government shouldn't get involved with religion and force religions to change religious law.

so stay out of religion and leave children alone.

no two fathers can make up the love of a mother and father.

the Christianity meme has been fighting the mussleman meme for a while- the rules just change for the times

I could not give less of a fuck. Divorce rates alone prove heteros don't give a fuck about the sanctity of marriage. The institution is effectively meaningless at this point so what difference do homofags make?

>no two fathers can make up the love of a mother and father.

is it better to have none at all?

im against the idea of gays adopting children, but that is not solid argument and wont help in a debate.

Personally, I am against homosexuality and same sex marriage.

I am not a religious person and absolutely revile religion. However, marriage is a religious union between man and woman.

Married persons are given a tax break to help start a family. Families can only be started between men and woman.

Faggots shouldn't be allowed to adopt or get married. They should be allowed a 'Civil Union' but only so liberal cucks don't get pissy with;

>Muh Liberty
>Muh Rights
>Muh Degeneracy

6th US District Court of Appeals Judge Jeffrey S. Sutton wrote that "marriage has long been a social institution defined by relationships between men and women. So long defined, the tradition is measured in millennia, not centuries or decades. So widely shared, the tradition until recently had been adopted by all governments and major religions of the world."

In the Oct. 15, 1971 decision Baker v. Nelson, the Supreme Court of Minnesota found that "the institution of marriage as a union of man and woman, uniquely involving the procreation and rearing of children within a family...

Allowing gay marriage would only further shift the purpose of marriage from producing and raising children to adult gratification.

Nobel Prize-winning philosopher Bertrand Russell stated that "it is through children alone that sexual relations become important to society, and worthy to be taken cognizance of by a legal institution."

Court papers filed in July 2014 by attorneys defending Arizona's gay marriage ban stated that "the State regulates marriage for the primary purpose of channeling potentially procreative sexual relationships into enduring unions for the sake of joining children to both their mother and their father... Same-sex couples can never provide a child with both her biological mother and her biological father." Contrary to the pro gay marriage argument that some different-sex couples cannot have children or don't want them, even in those cases there is still the potential to produce children. Seemingly infertile heterosexual couples sometimes produce children, and medical advances may allow others to procreate in the future. Heterosexual couples who do not wish to have children are still biologically capable of having them, and may change their minds.

Single mothers lack the resources and time for children that a two-parent household can provide. You are forming a false equivalence and ignoring all of the studies that I posted. 74 of 78 showed that kids of gay/lesbian parents turn out just fine, and the 4 that conclude they face disadvantages are from parents who have had breakups, which place the child at additional risk for hardship in any family.

Your entire post there is "well single mothers suck so gay parents must suck too, you don't think having gay parents has an influence?" That's moving the goalposts, the previous poster I replied to said not that it influences children in some way, but that it fucks them up and makes them emotionally retarded. The research says otherwise.

>is it better to have none at all?
Yes, those insane lefties you hate? You're breeding them by dismantling the standard nuclear family. Why the fuck do you think there has been such a sustained attack on white people? The rise of feminism and women working? The rise of MGTOW? The creation of porn to create false expectations within peoples minds about what to expect from sex.

You need a balance of male and female, there would be no biological need for women if man+man together could make children.

The attacks need to stop, people need to start attacking shitslam, it's far too backwards and needs some diversity and tolerance!

I'm with you, they should get sterilized too.

You get a (you) of agreement

I dont give a fuck who marries who but dont force places (like churches) to marry people

Good for the individual vs. good for the nation

a gay two-parent household is closer to a nuclear family than the shitshow that is the foster child system. You can tell me that it's worse to have two dads than it is to grow up without a stable set of parents, but you'd be wrong.

> people need to start attacking shitslam
we do every day
YOU don't- but maybe you've heard a few things about our govts do in the Mideast?

People with Aids can marry each other, even though their children will have Aids too.
So why shouldn't relatives be able to do that?

You're right

gay marriage is gay

also hedonism that is cancer

We can keep throwing studies back and forth.

It's still only logical that the lack of a strong father figure or a nurturing mother will affect a child's development and personality growing up. Even if it's a small extent, it's better to normalize traditional relationships with this in mind.

There's also the fact that children who come from gay families are much more likely to turn out be gay.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20642872
>Despite numerous attempts to bias the results in favour of the null hypothesis and allowing for up to 20 (of 63, 32%) coding errors, Cameron's (2006) hypothesis that gay and lesbian parents would be more likely to have gay, lesbian, bisexual or unsure (of sexual orientation) sons and daughters was confirmed.

Absolute non-issue. Focus on the shit that matters and let the churches decide for themself.

Oh the irony of having a secular state yet demanding that priests have to marry gay people. I have nothing against gay people and in fact have nothing against them getting married. But the double standard fucking kills me.

>Why the state is involved in the relationship affairs of two people
Child support, divorse, probably taxes. Still no reason not splve this issues through private contract.

>You need a balance of male and female

I do not disagree with this point, but we are talking about orphans who do not have a family otherwise. There isn't any evidence I am aware of to say whether its better to have two moms or two dads VS no consistent guardian at all.

>we can keep throwing studies back and forth
I threw you 74/78 directly about the well-being of children, and you threw me one about children being more likely to be gay. I'm not going to say they don't turn out differently, but you're not convincing me that they turn out worse here.

Fucking this!!
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>you threw me one

I thew you this one in picture form, especially with lesbian parents.

cbsnews.com/news/kids-of-gay-parents-fare-worse-study-finds-but-draws-fire-from-experts/

Unless one partner is likely to get pregnant and need protection, while pregnant and child rearing. What's the point of marriage. Which is a contract to remain faithful to one partner no matter what. Enforced by law.

Even as bisexual, when will mods do something about this gay propaganda threads thats up 24/7?

Its obvious someone is here to spread a message.

Every single person who ever made a thread on Sup Forums did it to spread a message of some sort, you fucking twat

Marriage should be abolished in the u.s. straight and gay...and replaced with 'civil unions' for everyone.
We have separation of church and state in this country and many see marriage as a religious institute.

If I wanted to listen to gay propaganda I could go to reddit, but the difference between that and Sup Forums is getting thinner everyday it seems.

You're always free to fuck off if you absolutely can't stand seeing different opinions from yours

Quote directly from Pence.

Be as ravenous as possible in your critique of faggot shit.

Non-issue.

Shouldn't even be a political issue, but I've got no issue with fags getting married.

I also have no issue with a church refusing to carry out the ceremony if they happen to not believe in gay marriage.

Nah, get the fuck out of Sup Forums if you want to spread your gay shit.

>waaaaah h-he posted an opinion!
>A-and I didn't a-agree w-w-with it, waaaah!

If you wanna fuck other dudes in the ass- Do it in the privacy of your home.
Legalizing gay marriage sets a precedent for other degenerate tendencies and gives them a sense of legitimacy.

The Swede is talking about these obvious gay propaganda threads with two men kissing which are being posted every hour. It's like the race-mixing/cuck threads, or "THICC" threads on other boards. He's right that it's obviously done with an intent.